Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Siregar

I do agree with this : "Those players who want to stay on at Milan do, and the club never allows a player who wants to stay to leave, especially players like Kaka."

True, just like how Seedorf and Dida are staying.

I think one thing that Boban failed to address is that why would players like Kaka wants to leave Milan in the first place?

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

True, just like how Seedorf and Dida are staying.

I think one thing that Boban failed to address is that why would players like Kaka wants to leave Milan in the first place?

And why not? Real Madrid made the offer and Kaka 'flirt' with Real Madrid in couple of times.

Kaka could say no to City and Berlusconi co. accepted what Kaka said. Nalx has said it well, he was almost becoming our legend (but only almost) and being there (a legend) is a very different situation.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

True, just like how Seedorf and Dida are staying.

I think one thing that Boban failed to address is that why would players like Kaka wants to leave Milan in the first place?

I'd like if someone does like it was done with Galliani announcements about Kaka' ... you know, all Kaka' said about him staying in Milan from 2004 to yesterday.

Like I just read on calciomercato, don't forget also the rule for 28+yo players who have played for more than 3 years in their club and can leave for almost nothing ... if his dream was really to play for Madrid like it looks to me, it was this year or never to get money from Kaka'.

The fact is that Perez said they were in negotiations since April but still, Kaka' said many times that he was going to stay, etc ...

MY point is that if Milan is a competitive team or a team with a plan, Kaka would have stayed.

He could have left last summer but he did not.
And if those Pato's rumors are to be believe, something in Milan is just not right.

Or because last January, it became clear to him that he's not that untouchable for Milan. But as I've said before, it would take some time, even years for example when Kaka publishes his biography, before we can comprehensively understand this and reach the conclusion. Anyway, in away I'm glad this ruckus has passed. Man can take bad news, but he can't take uncertainty, as the saying goes

Originally Posted by GeoTav

I'd like if someone does like it was done with Galliani announcements about Kaka' ... you know, all Kaka' said about him staying in Milan from 2004 to yesterday.

Like I just read on calciomercato, don't forget also the rule for 28+yo players who have played for more than 3 years in their club and can leave for almost nothing ... if his dream was really to play for Madrid like it looks to me, it was this year or never to get money from Kaka'.

The fact is that Perez said they were in negotiations since April but still, Kaka' said many times that he was going to stay, etc ...

The cruel time is when he said that he stays before he went to Brasil, something that he NEVER did before (giving convinced answer) when rumours were spreading around him.

Any sane person will realize that Kaka was forced out of the club by the management.
There wasn't a coach who insisted on keeping him, the management made it obvious that they want to sell him.

There will always be people who like conspiracy theories, calling Kaka a traitor and believing this was planned all along. Please guys, continue living in your imaginary worlds. Must be a lot funner this way.

"Berlusconi: Pato 'absolutely not' leaving"

http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy...absolutely-not

In light of what's happened these last days, how can we ever trust these kind of statements again?

What if Boban is right? Are Milan in decline? Do we have the resources to compete for major titles?

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

MY point is that if Milan is a competitive team or a team with a plan, Kaka would have stayed.

He could have left last summer but he did not.
And if those Pato's rumors are to be believe, something in Milan is just not right.

So, why didn't he leave last summer? Milan were in worse situation, Milan didn't even qualify for the Champions League.

Could it be that Galliani convinced him that Milan would build a strong team or was Perez's offer just better than Calderon's one? We can't know.

The point is both management AND Kaka are responsible for this transfer but the management told the truth that there was negotiation while Kaka said he stays with Milan.

Milan always have the resources to compete, actually Milan have one of the highest wage bills in Europe. The MGt just don't spend the money wisely and beginning to like selling its stars.

Originally Posted by Siregar

So, why didn't he leave last summer? Milan were in worse situation, Milan didn't even qualify for the Champions League.

Could it be that Galliani convinced him that Milan would build a strong team or was Perez's offer just better than Calderon's one? We can't know.

The point is both management AND Kaka are responsible for this transfer but the management told the truth that there was negotiation while Kaka said he stays with Milan.

Well, the MGT actually said there was no negotiation till over the weekend. As they were only saying Galli was at Perez's party and not talking about Transfer.

Originally Posted by fLame

Any sane person will realize that Kaka was forced out of the club by the management.
There wasn't a coach who insisted on keeping him, the management made it obvious that they want to sell him.

There will always be people who like conspiracy theories, calling Kaka a traitor and believing this was planned all along. Please guys, continue living in your imaginary worlds. Must be a lot funner this way.

Perhaps, but you're wrong as well, let's not forget it has to come from both sides.
If Kaka wanted to stay, he could have, for example, taken a pay cut to help Milan.
If we were/are in crisis we could have sold Ronaldinho instead and combined with the Gourcuff money we would have a reasonable sum and we wouldn't have to buy a replacement for Kaka. We could just get Abate back to replace Ronaldinho..

I'm just saying, Kaka wasn't all against a move to Real Madrid and Milan saw a chance to earn 68 million, and there you have it.
Both sides contributed to the transfer. Offcourse if Milan said no , Kaka would have stayed.

And as said here before, looking at our tranfsers and our policy, something is not right in Milanello. After several years of bad decisions and crap management it's clearly that some heads should be cut, at least thats something a healty company would do. Maybe this is what causing our "crisis". Bad management, corruption, ..

I think there is another implication about this Kaka deal which is that the club's strategy to invest in Brazilian players flat out stinks. As it is painfully clear, even the most loyal brazilian players (let's face it, Kaka is probably the most professional player ever came out of brazil) is a money chaser rather than a loyal human being. The desire of these players cannot be satisfied as they simply want everything there is, glory, fame, weather, money, respect, and everything imaginable. The fact that they had to move away from their home to Milan makes it a lot easier for them to simply pack up and move somewhere else. They do not care about the culture, history, tradition, fans, or anything else and thus have no problem leaving whenever somebody throws a bigger check their way. This is, of course, true for all the other foreign players as well, not just brazilians.

As it stands, this team should spend more money recruiting Italian players as these players have the tendency to stay closer to home. Not many italian players like to move abroad away from their families, cities, and culture just because somebody was paying them slightly more. Many of them grew up dreaming about playing for Milan and therefore won't sell out their own childhood dream. If, and this is a huge if, milan actually wants to retain its stars rather than selling out every chance they get, more Italians is a MUST.

IMO, we don't need Fabregas.
We need a top class speedy winger.. and that person has to be Ribery

Real wants Ribery too, and I doubt Ribery wants to come to Milan instead of Real