Summer mercato 2009

..yes..and not only RM but Barca, United, Chelsea are all very seriously after him, and for a very long time. I just don't think we will stand a chance.

You guys can bash me but selling Kaka is a good beginning. Like i said before, he is not the same player he was for 2 years already. I would rather take the money from kaka rather than hope he return back to the same form as previously. I would gladly sell seedorf and Pirlo too, based on their performances in the past season. There must be new blood in milan to start a new era, the current squad is too old and too predictable. I am hoping for more promising, hungry players to arrive.

i not too sure ribery might welcome the chance to play at ac milan as real will be going after silva villa and ronaldo. we could the opportunity to sign ribery in the next couple of days Milan could completely change the style of play

Originally Posted by hitmannq8

Nope, thats you guys

It was by no means a dig, but what happened to all that macho talk of 'We will force our players to stay as long as they have a contract'???

That was said after Sheva left but then Kaka went and trust me you will be lucky to see Pato in a Milan shirt come start of the season. Lets just see how much money is invested in the team - I personally think Milan will go for someone like Owen or Toni upfront - maybe Davids in Midfield and Blanc in defense lmao.

Its true what Tony said after Milan won the CL 07, the cycle is coming to an end - this will not be the Milan of the past under Berlu.

Edit* On top of that you think teams will not ask for more money knowing that Milan have just made over 60 million pounds on a player?

Milan needed 3 players WITH Kaka', now we need 5. I support Dzeko arrival, aldough that man had only one good season in his life. But I've heard great things about him ( and saw ) from people I trust to understand football. Also, Milan picked Dzeko coz he is cheeper then Benzema, Eto'o, Drogba, Amauri... and Dzeko is a Milan fan like we are! He'll play for Milan for almost nothing ( not saying he'll get almost nothing, just making the picture). I know this man has real football childish passion for AC Milan and I wish him luck with us if he comes, he'll give his 200%. 194cm tall, running 100m under 12 sec. Most likely to develop more in phisical strenght in Milanello.

Now, that will 90% be our new CF.

Concerning the fact Leonardo is here to listen to Berlusconi's orders I can say that I really hoped for a normal coach etc. Our only hope is that Leo is really a great tactician that can make the most out of the squadretta he'll have!

On Zvone Boban: Boban asid years back that Berlusconi offered him a job in the club but he refused coz "that is not his world..." You get it. Zvone knows everything about football, he is not a normal footballer that speaks rubbish like some former english players ( for example ) in papers, he understands how things go deeper and isnt afraid to talk. Berlusconi took the money and Kaka' wante to leave. IF Silvio wanted Kaka' to stay KAka' would not be sold. Milan is in decline for past 4 years since Silvio decided he'll not spend a penny on Milan. Galliani is there to work as Silvio says and Carlo was there to work with trash players that Galliani buys. Now there is Leo ( poor Leo, he is a brilliant scout...)

I am deeply dissapointed in AC Milan structures now. I had passion for this club since I was a child. Since Italia is next to Croatia ( Slovenia in between ) serie a was always close to our people. Specially Milan and Juve were exposed as clubs that were followed in here. I travelled 1000km to see Milan, we created ac milan official club, I met great people, got tired, spent money on watching my club etc. Followed every ****ing game and transfer saga etc. And now I see that people that posses abnormal ammounts of money dont give a **** about anything but their euro's. I need to take a rest from this barbaric ****.

This Milan will not invest 80mln in this swuad, they will take money and play some "new" squad that is not balanced at all. Things will go on untill Silvio sells Milan to somone who will invest. Next player is PAto, be sure, just not this year. Also, Milan has lost its identity by selling two best players in 4 years, big clubs dont do that! They dont care about Milan, only about they yachts and hotels they posses!

Our new team should consist of 4,5 new and great young players like Clichy, Santacroce, Hernanes, Dzeko, Hazard... that would be a new circle. But that will not happen.

Im disgusted by ac Milan from this point and I dont know when I'll have such passion to support Milan again, coz I see they dont care about sucsess anymore. Only thing now to enjoy is some discussion in here from people all around the world that still share the passion.

As Ultras say: Milan belongs to us, not to Berlusconi! Sell Milan!!!!!

EDIT:

Ribery: he would cost 60mln! No way Milan will pay that, Milan is not ready to pay anything to anyone! iRibery is also a player that we dont seed as Super-Dinho will be "back to his best"(really???) abd Pato will be wasted by playing RW.

I personally think the money should be spent on Cristiano Ronaldo.

Originally Posted by Ghost

It was by no means a dig, but what happened to all that macho talk of 'We will force our players to stay as long as they have a contract'???

That was said after Sheva left but then Kaka went and trust me you will be lucky to see Pato in a Milan shirt come start of the season. Lets just see how much money is invested in the team - I personally think Milan will go for someone like Owen or Toni upfront - maybe Davids in Midfield and Blanc in defense lmao.

Its true what Tony said after Milan won the CL 07, the cycle is coming to an end - this will not be the Milan of the past under Berlu.

Edit* On top of that you think teams will not ask for more money knowing that Milan have just made over 60 million pounds on a player?

It's maybe why both Kaka' and the club said it was because of the financial crisis and to cover the debt ?!

This reason is good for both parts:
- Kaka' doesn't have to say "I want to leave" but "I had to leave for the club", so except few of us, his image doesn't change. Anyway, even if most of the Milan fans think he lied, for most of the people supporting other clubs, they will still see Kaka' like a loyal guy who sacrificed himself for the club ...
- Milan can use this "we will cover the debt" to disallow other clubs to tell them in negotiations "you got 60M with Kaka', you have money, pay more"

Mrki, you again duplicate your own posts, who do you want to convince ??
You are in the category of the people I spoke about in a previous post: you want Milan to still be a team with a soul, tradition, etc, but you also want the club to be sold to a foreign billionnaire who will use Milan as his new toy until he thinks he spent too much ...

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Mrki, you again duplicate your own posts, who do you want to convince ??
You are in the category of the people I spoke about in a previous post: you want Milan to still be a team with a soul, tradition, etc, but you also want the club to be sold to a foreign billionnaire who will use Milan as his new toy until he thinks he spent too much ...

Milan will be Milan, no matter who pays bills. Milan was Milan before Silvio, its will be the same Milan after him.

Go, support Silvio and HIS tradition, and fight for 3rd place after we sell Pato next year and become a club like Roma in 5 years. Maybe you are in category of people that dont see Milan belongs to the fans, it doesnt depend on the person who has the money to buy it. Real and Barca have new presidents all the time, L'pool is still L'pool, United also etc.

EDIT:

"Tradition" means Milan is a team that plays tipical italian football, a team constructed of bandiera's, ateam that DOES not sell its best players to ANYONE and a team that is knows for the best defence in the world. Also a team in which players desire to play and that always has goals that are gighest. That is Milan's tradition and the expectatins od curva sud and people that buy season tickets to San Siro. Who has the club is just a name on bills.

Originally Posted by GeoTav

His comments are true for some part but also harsh for some other part as, we seem to forget it, Manchester sold Beckham in his prime years, Barcelona sold their idol Figo in his prime years (worst than us as Barcelona and Real ...), Juventus sold Zidane in his prime years, ...

Look at where Manchester and Barcelona are nowadays ?
Yes, we could have one or two very difficult years of rebuilding, but if it is well done, we could be even stronger than what we were in the best year of "Kaka' era" ...

The problem goes back to before the Kaka saga started, possibly at the time Chelsea got Abramovich. Since then, things have changed a lot in football. Berlu hasn't been as active as in the past with Milan, and Sheva left us for Roman. We have suffered a lot but it's always been eased due to successes like Athens and Tokyo.

Still, through hard times a club can cope, if it is looking ahead. We simply haven't done that though. Instead we constantly use the excuse of most successful club in the world and we stagnated with the same players and the same coach for another two years. Our transfers have often been through desperation or without planning or on personal whims. We buy older players who have no place at the top level of the game anymore and spend fortunes on wages.

During this time the top performers have been linked away and we don't stand strong anymore, instead we hear Galliani moan endlessly about taxes and financial strains. I agree with the club's policy to take into consideration the global recession. But we're going to the extreme and still flitter away money to players that simply don't deserve their earnings. A guy like Dida (sorry Blacktop), who was clearly in decline was given a huge contract a couple of years ago.

What Boban says might seem harsh, but with our attitude it's not difficult to believe the club is in decline. When I was saying Carlo needed to be changed, I often said that it was only the start, and the club has to reinvigorate itself, from the top to bottom. This argument against the management has been ongoing for years now. In many ways they've succeeded in getting strong purchases, but at the same time, we're not doing enough, not to rebuild but more importantly not to use what we have. Part of me feels Milan has been very arrogant in the last couple of years, and it's time we change back to the attitude where Galliani talks of Milan becoming the best, not Milan's successes until now.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

True, just like how Seedorf and Dida are staying.

I think one thing that Boban failed to address is that why would players like Kaka wants to leave Milan in the first place?

I think his comment on Milan being in decline says a lot. That's not it, as he says Kaka's no saint and certainly isn't making this move to help Milan as claimed.

Originally Posted by Arildonardo

"Berlusconi: Pato 'absolutely not' leaving"

http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy...absolutely-not

In light of what's happened these last days, how can we ever trust these kind of statements again?

What if Boban is right? Are Milan in decline? Do we have the resources to compete for major titles?

We still have the resources I believe, otherwise we wouldn't be keeping guys like Dida, Seedorf, Pirlo etc on the wage bill. We need to effectively manage our resources, which isn't something we've done in recent years.

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Mrki, you again duplicate your own posts, who do you want to convince ??
You are in the category of the people I spoke about in a previous post: you want Milan to still be a team with a soul, tradition, etc, but you also want the club to be sold to a foreign billionnaire who will use Milan as his new toy until he thinks he spent too much ...

I can see where you are going with this, but what's the difference in Milan's owner is Berlusconi or some Arab?
Do you think Milan is more worthy with Berlusconi......why, because he's an Italian?

I just look at the results..management is management, one way or the other, it just matters how it runs their business.

Originally Posted by Fret

I can see where you are going with this, but what's the difference in Milan's owner is Berlusconi or some Arab?
Do you think Milan is more worthy with Berlusconi......why, because he's an Italian?

I just look at the results..management is management, one way or the other, it just matters how it runs their business.

I don't think you see where I want to go: I don't care if the potential new "foreign owner" is Arab, Canadian, Chinese (or even Italian which isn't a foreigner for Milan ), I'm also not a 100% defender of Berlusconi (contrarly to what you maybe think mrki), what I say is that stability is good.

I don't want Milan to become like Chelsea (look at their mercatos, some players came one year and left the following year), nor like Real Madrid (a new president every 5 years).

Someone also said that a healthy company would cut heads etc, I just say no, it's clearly not a healthy company who would do that but a company in crisis ...

I just think that Galliani and Berlusconi have some plan in their head.

We all forget that by selling Kaka', we just got 65M, but also the 8M per year he would have earned until 2013 (so we potentially saved 36M too).

Instead of criticizing and saying "we're lost" because Kaka' is sold (which means Milan was Kaka' for most of you ?), let's just see what will happen, the mercato isn't open yet ...

Some people claim we now need a replacement for Kaka', I just have to say a big NO: there is no way we replace Kaka' as for me, the two possible replacements were Gourcuff and Diego ... so this sale probably means we will see a new system, a new formation in Milan "made in Leonardo".

Firstly, we will probably play with 2 strikers all the time now, as it seems our first new player, after Thiago Silva, will be Dzeko.

That will leave us with Pato (even if he says he wants to go, I can't imagine our management selling him this summer just after Kaka'), Borriello, Dzeko and Inzaghi.
We maybe can add Paloschi to them, I don't know what was decided in the meetings with Parma managers ...

With Kaka' leaving, we need a new "fuoriclasse" in midfield, but not a direct replacement for Kaka'. If we don't get a WC midfielder, we will probably go for a young very promising player.

To finish, we all know what we need for our defence ...

With all the money we got, I think all that is possible and we could see a strong Milan again, even if we don't win the next CL, we will at least be able to compete for Serie A because we will have a bench (especially if we also welcome back some players we own or co-own).

So you see, there are still some hopes when you try to look at our future instead of again and again crying and being angry because of that or that ... Kaka' left, it's done, he signed the contract, he seemed so happy to the press conference, it's ok, let's move on ...

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

Look Rick, it your opinion and I respect, but I can´t agree.

Ronaldinho played with Kaka in Brazil NT in a 4-2-2-2 scheme(he and Kaka as AMD behind the 2 strikers). He had a great Confederation Cup, but at that time, he was a athlete. To be honest, he never was that good at Brazil NT, and as we said here: "theres is Club players and Seleção(Brazil NT) players", and Roladinho was(is) a club... But at least at that time, even choking in Brazil NT, he was a guy that run, look for open spaces, try to drible some one...he cares!!

After countless disapointing games, the chorus of: "Ronaldinho needs to play free as a second striker or a false winger" started at Brazilian Press with Ronaldinho claiming to play free as a second striker. Parreira droped the second striker and put Ronaldinho there. The result? Big Fail...

No one will fit in a team if they don´t take care of their body(in modern football). You play as you pratice, period. If he was a CF like Ronaldo, maybe, but at his position, he need to have speed, pace and power in the legs to do his role...

The last 3 years, Ronaldinho is a shadow of that amazing player that we saw. But what makes me mad is that he really doesn´t try anymore. Heck, Ronaldo in 3 months at Corinthians, even fat, run more than Ronaldinho the entire year at Milan...and I´m not talking about help the team in defense or work rate, I´m talking about run to create something, to score,to drible...

I hope you´re right and I´m wrong, but I will stick with what I said in the past before Berlusconi to buy him: It was a mistake, as Ronaldinho has show several times in Brazil that he doesn´t care about to be amazing anymore, as he clarly don´t want to pay the price to be a elite player again.


Sorry, but I have no faith...

All good points, my friend, but I will make just a few points. Remember, Milan doesn't need for Ronaldinho to be a good NT player, only a good club player. And he's only had two off-form seasons -- one injury-plaged season at Barcelona and one season at Milan where he was not playing regular for whatever reason (and even Kaka explained why they were not fitting into Milan's system together).

This will be Ronaldinho's chance for redemption. His last opportunity to prove that he can still be a great player. If he fails, he may never get another chance. So if he has any pride left in his game at all he should be reinvigorated. Maybe you are right that he hasn't cared as much recently as he should have, but that doesn't mean that with this new opportunity under a new coach and maybe a slightly different system, he can't be inspired.

I agree with you that Silvio should not have bought him. I thought that from day one. With Kaka here, Ronaldinho wasn't necessary. And even if Milan had needed a similar player, there were younger, cheaper options. But the fact is that he is here and with the way the situation has changed he could be a built-in replacement for the next couple of years while Milan focuses on rebuilding the team with younger players. Maybe you are right and he will be a spectacular failure (like you, I hope not!). But I think he deserves a chance before we just cast him to the curb (unless, of course, say, Manchester City or somebody wants to pay big money for him, then I say let him go and bring in more young talent).

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

I think I will start to support Real now, not only b/c of Kaka but mainly b/c they actually have a MGT that wants to create a winning team and most of all, care for the TEAM and its FANS.

Mark my word, Milan will win the Champions League again before Real Madrid will. Perez will buy all the big name players he possibly can, but there will not be enough balls to go around and they'll never play as a team. Milan is a team and will always be bigger than any of its players.

Originally Posted by hwmook

You guys can bash me but selling Kaka is a good beginning. Like i said before, he is not the same player he was for 2 years already. I would rather take the money from kaka rather than hope he return back to the same form as previously. I would gladly sell seedorf and Pirlo too, based on their performances in the past season. There must be new blood in milan to start a new era, the current squad is too old and too predictable. I am hoping for more promising, hungry players to arrive.

I agree 100 %!

I don't think any one advocates a complete takeover by the arabs but their financial support is needed. We do need some more investment in the club otherwise Milan will be selling their best players every summer from now on because berlusconi isn't able to put in the financial resources needed to make Milan powerful again. you have to consider the likely hood that in two season time Milan could of sold pato pirlo gattuso jankulovski and flamini to keep the Milan functioning. of course Milan would function much better without some of more useless players that shall remain nameless but i would consider that new financial support is a must. It just up to Berlusconi to swallow his pride and do what best for Milan even if we lose some of our values and ethics Milan we exist as a great European club.