Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by mrki

Most likely to develop more in phisical strenght in Milanello.

Regarding Dzeko, surely you mean he will injure himself within the first few weeks and take 12+ months to return, judging by Milan Labs standards

I really get the feeling that Kaka will be Shevchenko - Chapter 2. As someone said above, he has not been in the same form in the past 2 years. Not only that, but if Leonardo can whip Ronaldinho into shape and get his head straight, Dinho can have a better year than Kaka has had in the past 2.

If we re-invest the $$ the right way, this move is a very smart one indeed

Originally Posted by GeoTav

I don't think you see where I want to go: I don't care if the potential new "foreign owner" is Arab, Canadian, Chinese (or even Italian which isn't a foreigner for Milan ), I'm also not a 100% defender of Berlusconi (contrarly to what you maybe think mrki), what I say is that stability is good.

I don't want Milan to become like Chelsea (look at their mercatos, some players came one year and left the following year), nor like Real Madrid (a new president every 5 years).

It's hard to understand each other completely like this.....

Milan already is a club like Chelsea...you name it, which means Milan has a wealthy owner, just like Chelsea and in fact was in this situation before Chelsea.
Milan is just like any other European club that has a rich boss.

The only difference is that our boss isn't doing his job very well.

That's why i said it doesn't matter who is in charge, but rather how they are doing their job.


.....and I like the Real's and Barca's way of changing the management. Remember how, when one of them starts to loose the race, fans wave with white flags in the stadium? Changes then come rapidly and that's the real image of a club that belongs to the fans

Originally Posted by Fret

It's hard to understand each other completely like this.....

Milan already is a club like Chelsea...you name it, which means Milan has a wealthy owner, just like Chelsea and in fact was in this situation before Chelsea.
Milan is just liek any other European club that has a rich boss.

The only difference is that our boss isn't doing his job very well.

That's why i said it doesn't matter who is in charge, but rather how are they doing their job.


.....and I like the Real's Barca's way of changing the managment. Remember how, when one of them starts to loose the race, fans wave with white flags in the stadium? Changes then come rapidly and that's the real image of a club that belongs to the fans

When I say I don't want Milan to be like Chelsea, it's about the way mercatos and players are used ... We tend to still respect the players in Milan, whereas in Chelsea for example, players are like machines.

Originally Posted by GeoTav

When I say I don't want Milan to be like Chelsea, it's about the way mercatos and players are used ... We tend to still respect the players in Milan, whereas in Chelsea for example, players are like machines.

Ok, I get your point and I agree.
But results speak for themselves regarding mercatos

Originally Posted by Rick

Mark my word, Milan will win the Champions League again before Real Madrid will. Perez will buy all the big name players he possibly can, but there will not be enough balls to go around and they'll never play as a team. Milan is a team and will always be bigger than any of its players.

Not trying to piss you off or anything, but thats what Juve fans said after the Zizou sale and we know what happened.

Originally Posted by GeoTav

His comments are true for some part but also harsh for some other part as, we seem to forget it, Manchester sold Beckham in his prime years, Barcelona sold their idol Figo in his prime years (worst than us as Barcelona and Real ...), Juventus sold Zidane in his prime years, ...

Look at where Manchester and Barcelona are nowadays ?
Yes, we could have one or two very difficult years of rebuilding, but if it is well done, we could be even stronger than what we were in the best year of "Kaka' era" ...

Manchester United are what they are because of their current philosophy, which we should admire, likewise with Barcelona. Manchester United will remain a great team even if they sold Ronaldo. Beckham wasn't even a key player, he was the weakest link in their midfield (Keane/Scholes/Giggs) and Juventus remained competitive after Zidane because they bought three world class players of immense quality. Will Milan do the same? It doesn't look likely if our transfer strategy over the last few years is anything to go by. Truth is Milan allowed itself to go into decline both on and off the pitch by stagnating and questionable financial management (huge contracts to over the hill players etc...), whats happened to all the money from the years we reached the QF of the Champions League at least from 2003-2007?

You know, what can allow us to still have some hopes is the fact that Berlusconi is a very proud person and his image is more important than whatever else (because all he got and still gets is thanks to his image and excellent communication).

Milan is directly linked to Berlusconi ...

Milan didn't get excellent results for 2 years, actually Milan didn't get any trophy for two years ...

Milan sold Kaka' ...

All that is bad for Berlusconi's image ... so he will have to make Milan stronger. It's a must for him as I don't think he wants to sell the club.

Originally Posted by soibui

Manchester United are what they are because of their current philosophy, which we should admire, likewise with Barcelona. Manchester United will remain a great team even if they sold Ronaldo. Beckham wasn't even a key player, he was the weakest link in their midfield (Keane/Scholes/Giggs) and Juventus remained competitive after Zidane because they bought three world class players of immense quality. Will Milan do the same? It doesn't look likely if our transfer strategy over the last few years is anything to go by. Truth is Milan allowed itself to go into decline both on and off the pitch by stagnating and questionable financial management (huge contracts to over the hill players etc...), whats happened to all the money from the years we reached the QF of the Champions League at least from 2003-2007?

If Dzeko is really near to sign with us (he said again today that his "heart is Rossonero", which is good for us to get him, even if I don't believe too much that as Kaka' said the same kind of stupid BS , let's say it's a good point for us for negotiations), that's already a transfer that goes in a different way regarding what we did in the past few years ...

If we add Thiago Silva, that would mean we would already get 2 young promising and talented players ... in the same mercato (even if Thiago Silva was bought in January). I think it's already a big step forward !!

The thing is, Milan or any sports club should be run by someone who cares. Once the owner stop caring, sell the club to someone who does.

Now maybe the new owner will treat the players with not the same standards than now, but is that a bad thing. Is giving a just contract to someone like Dida not a good thing? Is treating Seedorf like a machine not a good idea? The thing is that players want to win, period. And they want to be part of a winning team. As long as the owner continue to improve the squad, players will not leave. Thats something that Milan is not doing.

Originally Posted by GeoTav

You know, what can allow us to still have some hopes is the fact that Berlusconi is a very proud person and his image is more important than whatever else (because all he got and still gets is thanks to his image and excellent communication).

Milan is directly linked to Berlusconi ...

Milan didn't get excellent results for 2 years, actually Milan didn't get any trophy for two years ...

Milan sold Kaka' ...

All that is bad for Berlusconi's image ... so he will have to make Milan stronger. It's a must for him as I don't think he wants to sell the club.

I want to believe that too, but if thats the case, why sell Kaka to begin with.
Since you already know you have someone like T. Silva coming in to help in defense.
Or even if you are planning to sell Kaka, keep Gourcuff.
I mean if Milan kept Gourcuff, the sell of Kaka won't be as bad as now.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Not trying to piss you off or anything, but thats what Juve fans said after the Zizou sale and we know what happened.

Yes, they went to a CL final the following year and lost to us... Real are going to be a clusterf*** and will end up being a disappointment

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Not trying to piss you off or anything, but thats what Juve fans said after the Zizou sale and we know what happened.

Milan is not Juve and the current Real Madrid team is already too much a collection of galacticos who don't play so well together. When Madrid bought Zidane, they already had a well-balanced team in place. He was just a piece to the puzzle. Remember, Madrid had won two of the previous four CL titles at the time they bought Zidane. Recently Madrid has just been throwing pieces out there and hoping they will fit. The situation is different. It was the galactico policy that took Real Madrid down a notch. The galactico policy will not restore them to greatness.

Also, Kaka is no Zidane.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

I want to believe that too, but if thats the case, why sell Kaka to begin with.
Since you already know you have someone like T. Silva coming in to help in defense.
Or even if you are planning to sell Kaka, keep Gourcuff.
I mean if Milan kept Gourcuff, the sell of Kaka won't be as bad as now.

It probably wasn't planned when they put that clause into Gourcuff loan contract ...

As far as I know, we depended too much on Kaka' form. So selling him and buying some new players is probably a kind of bet. If that works and, let's imagine something almost impossible to imagine, next year, we win CL + Serie A, what will you guys say ?
If next year we do something like 2nd place in Serie A and quarters/semi-finals in CL, I think it will already be an improvement comparing to the last 2 years ...

What I want to explain is that it's maybe not a bad thing for the team, the club, that Kaka' left. We don't know what are the plans, nor for the mercato, nor for Leonardo !!

That brings me to another question, if this Kaka's deal is suppose to be in neg. since April. Should Milan reach out to Gourcuff at that time and promise him a starting place as Kaka will be leaving.