Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by GeoTav

It probably wasn't planned when they put that clause into Gourcuff loan contract ...

And Milan never really envisioned Gourcuff in Kaka's role anyway.

On 8 June, Kaká signed a six-year contract with Real Madrid for an undisclosed fee believed to be £56 million or €68 million the bigest transfer in histori.

Originally Posted by Rick

Milan is not Juve and the current Real Madrid team is already too much a collection of galacticos who don't play so well together. When Madrid bought Zidane, they already had a well-balanced team in place. He was just a piece to the puzzle. Remember, Madrid had won two of the previous four CL titles at the time they bought Zidane. Recently Madrid has just been throwing pieces out there and hoping they will fit. The situation is different. It was the galactico policy that took Real Madrid down a notch. The galactico policy will not restore them to greatness.

Also, Kaka is no Zidane.

They went overkill without buying defenders and def mid.
But they have two Diarras + Gago. In defense, they have Pepe, Ramos and Garay(they signed him last year). Who knows, maybe they will get someone like Vidic.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

That brings me to another question, if this Kaka's deal is suppose to be in neg. since April. Should Milan reach out to Gourcuff at that time and promise him a starting place as Kaka will be leaving.

Perez said that negotiations started in April, which doesn't mean that it was sure that Kaka' would leave in April (or anyway, maybe Kaka' knew what he wanted to do but with his several declarations ...).

Actually, even if Kaka' and the management knew in April that he would go, the fact that Kaka' stated several times he wouldn't move probably didn't help to convince Gourcuff to come back.

Rick, they maybe thought about Gourcuff as his replacement too late ... which is a mistake.
Actually, I don't see the sale of Kaka' as a mistake, but the way we lost Gourcuff (especially knowing that Kaka' leaves now, but we speak "a posteriori") seems to be a big mistake there.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

They went overkill without buying defenders and def mid.
But they have two Diarras + Gago. In defense, they have Pepe, Ramos and Garay(they signed him last year). Who knows, maybe they will get someone like Vidic.

It's not about names unless you're playing fantasy football. It's about teamwork and cohesiveness. That's something that has been lacking in Madrid. Adding Kaka is not going to magically transform them. Did you not see how awful they were against Liverpool and against Juventus? Now they're talking about adding Cristiano Ronaldo. Yeah, like that's going to work! You pay stupid money for Kaka and now you're going to go out and pay even more stupid money for a guy who will hog the ball from him half the time.

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Rick, they maybe thought about Gourcuff as his replacement too late ... which is a mistake.
Actually, I don't see the sale of Kaka' as a mistake, but the way we lost Gourcuff (especially knowing that Kaka' leaves now, but we speak "a posteriori") seems to be a big mistake there.

You may be right there, but Gourcuff had not played well in his two seasons at Milan so I don't think it was unreasonable to add an option to buy (for a good price) to his loan deal. Of course hindsight is 20/20.

Oh, and this from Dzeko's agent:

"Edin Dzeko is a Wolfsburg player and he still has a two year contract left to run with the German side," Redzepagic revealed.

"Reports saying that Milan are in talks with Dzeko are not true. I have been contacted by clubs and there are teams in England, Spain, Germany and Italy who are interested in him, but we have not received any concrete deal on the table yet.

"There are no offers for the moment, but it's possible that he could leave for another club. I don't have any information of a deal between Milan and Wolfsburg."

Originally Posted by Rick

And Milan never really envisioned Gourcuff in Kaka's role anyway.

The point I was trying to make is not Gourcuff replacing Kaka....The point is that Gourcuff is a huge talent. And if the MGT already know there is an offer too good to refuse from Real for Kaka, they should have reach out to secure Gourcuff and not let him slip. That way at least Milan will not need to spend to get another quality midfielder

My recommendation:
AC Milan always have great players, but tandems always brought tophies.

If You want Dzeko, ideal combination for Milan is Dzeko-Misimovic

Misimovic is the best passer and assistant in History of Bundesliga. Misimovic like Kaka. Ofcourse Kaka is better than Misimovic, but Duo Dzeko-Mismovic is great duo and bingo combination.

See ya

Originally Posted by Rick

It's not about names unless you're playing fantasy football. It's about teamwork and cohesiveness. That's something that has been lacking in Madrid. Adding Kaka is not going to magically transform them. Did you not see how awful they were against Liverpool and against Juventus? Now they're talking about adding Cristiano Ronaldo. Yeah, like that's going to work! You pay stupid money for Kaka and now you're going to go out and pay even more stupid money for a guy who will hog the ball from him half the time.

They played bad against Pool and Juve, at least they were playing in CL. We got kicked out by Wander in UEFA CUP. Also, have you seen how we played without Kaka. Now I am not saying Real will win CL with Kaka and CR7, but they are a stronger team compare to us and thats a fact.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

The point I was trying to make is not Gourcuff replacing Kaka....The point is that Gourcuff is a huge talent. And if the MGT already know there is an offer too good to refuse from Real for Kaka, they should have reach out to secure Gourcuff and not let him slip. That way at least Milan will not need to spend to get another quality midfielder

He's a talented player who was pretty much a bust at Milan. Nobody around here was all that concerned based on his play in Italy. Hindsight is 20/20.

Originally Posted by bosnian

My recommendation:
AC Milan always have great players, but tandems always brought tophies.

If You want Dzeko, ideal combination for Milan is Dzeko-Misimovic

Misimovic is the best passer and assistant in History of Bundesliga. Misimovic like Kaka. Ofcourse Kaka is better than Misimovic, but Duo Dzeko-Mismovic is great duo and bingo combination.

See ya

Now there's what I'm talking about!

It's not about collecting the greatest players. It's about collecting players who play well together. Nice post Bosnian! Whether it's Dzeko and Misimovic or whoever, Milan must focus on building a cohesive unit. It's not about any one player or collection of big names.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

They played bad against Pool and Juve, at least they were playing in CL. We got kicked out by Wander in UEFA CUP. Also, have you seen how we played without Kaka. Now I am not saying Real will win CL with Kaka and CR7, but they are a stronger team compare to us and thats a fact.

They have more talent and bigger names, it's true. Madrid has always had some of the biggest names. But I believe Milan will rebuild into a cohesive squad. Madrid will continue to be a collection of names as long as they continue with the galactico policy. It's not where you start. It's where you finish.

Originally Posted by bosnian

My recommendation:
AC Milan always have great players, but tandems always brought tophies.

If You want Dzeko, ideal combination for Milan is Dzeko-Misimovic

Misimovic is the best passer and assistant in History of Bundesliga. Misimovic like Kaka. Ofcourse Kaka is better than Misimovic, but Duo Dzeko-Mismovic is great duo and bingo combination.

See ya

thats not a bad idea.misimovits/hernanes-dzeko-mexes-clishy
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but i dont think that that's the point of kaka's departure.
a lot of milan fans tend to hide behind their finger..the problem is our management..i dont think there is a single person beleving that they're gonna make the right moves with the 80mil..if it was moggi in charge,or if we had capelo as coach,then maybe all these would be for the best..

but as i ve said,i dont see my team as a step for players who want sth bigger for their careers..we have to be the "final step" the dream step for every player..and with situations like this we loose a lot more than one player,we loose prestige,power and dignity..

ps moggi brought nedved,buffon,thuram with those money..
its like bringing buffon(again),fabregas and mexes this time..no way with those scums in charge..

Not only do we sell are most prized asset, but our coach is taking coach lessons after he has signed a deal.
If this was happening with Inter, we would be laughing our faces off.
It's just such an embarrassment.

Nevermind folks, the party maybe just started

Originally Posted by Rick

They have more talent and bigger names, it's true. Madrid has always had some of the biggest names. But I believe Milan will rebuild into a cohesive squad. Madrid will continue to be a collection of names as long as they continue with the galactico policy. It's not where you start. It's where you finish.

Dude, I see your point. But then I envision the play of Seedorf, the defense of Favalli and Kaladze, the positioning of Dida and the faces of Berlu and Galli at a party with young women. Milan will win CL next year.

Why can't Kaka be part of that team, if every single team in the world thinks he is a good player and would love to have him on the team.

One more thing, over the past 10 years. Only one CL winner does not have your so call Superstars, thats Porto. But they had JM as their coach and Deco was amazing that year.

Tim Vickery BBC South American football correspondent adds his 2 cents worth
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvicker...anchester.html

Definately worth a read