Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by johncharles365

and for god sake get rid of shevchenko and seedorf and dida.

Sheva will surely be back at Chelsea with Carlo, but Seedoft said today that he has said "no thanks" to Chelsea because he is 100% Rossoneri and he plans to stay around for another three years or so.

we have a playmaker, his name is Pirlo...and I still think Seedorf can play a good role as a sub for Pirlo in a position of a DM playmaker..actually he proved he can do it well in the first part of the season when Pirlo was injured..but true, they arent getting any younger, so Milan should really go for some fresh blood in that department..and serie a has a lots of good players who can be a true reinforcement to the squad.

Originally Posted by El Fre

I will not waste words on Kaka's transfer.

We all know what he meant to us, the fans.

Dammit, now I have 2 stupid Milan jerseys: 7 and 22.

At least Weah will not go to Real.

I just wanted to say something; Ancelotti's sacking was the first wrong step.

Pato seems to want to go to Chelsea, Kaka left, Maldini left, Gourcuff left although Leonardo went to France with Galliani(probably to persuade him to stay)....we are loosing IT. By IT I mean the Milan factor.

Why don't you go f@ck yourself, Silvio.

Oh mate i'm in the same place with you.I also have 2 Milan jerseys, with 7 sheva and 22 Kaka.
I bought firstly 7 Sheva just a couple of months before he left us.
And now i bought the 22 kaka just acouple of months before the second traitor left us.What a strange and similar fate. **** my luckyness! I will never buy another shirt for sure.


silvio sell the club to the arabs, if you can't control the depth you can't destroy the team by selling their best players.give the club to the arabs they know how to fill this little money depth.70M are nothing for El Maktoun.
If el Maktoun was in charge nothing of this would have happend.
We would have Kaka+Dzeko+Fabregas+ whoever you want.

lucky seedorf is only contracted to 2011 i hope he retires before that, he should go he is just not good enough to wear a Milan shirt any more .

rosoneri_11, I just wanted to point out to you that it's "dept" and not "depth".
Anw, I think that Pato is starting to feel insecure and uncertain about the future of Milan. When he saw Kaka leaving he got scared that Milan will be ruined taking him with it. I think we should buy Dzeko as soon as possible to assure our "wanted" players that everything's gonna be fine.

What the hell is wrong with Pato saying that he'll talk to Ancelloti first and then meet with the club. Get a f##ing grip kid.....just because Carlo believed in you, it doesn't mean that you'll be able to play for him your whole life. Prove your worth to other coaches as well. Carlo may have given you a lot of chances, but Milan paid 22m Euro for you when you weren't even 18. So appreciate stuff in your life.

sorry, but this whole interview with Pato just pissed me off. How spoiled. As far as I'm concerned, I want him to stay because he will be an immense striker for years to come, but if he will start doing this crap and wants to leave...then he can piss off from Milan too.

Anyhow, I suspect that there will be some rumors this summer about Pato....a few interviews by him and his agent and eventually his agent will buy him (Pato) and improved contract from Milan just like how it was happening with Kaka.

Stop asking for a sale of Seedorf and Pirlo ...
The situation was clear: we sell Kaka', Ronaldinho, Pirlo, or Seedorf !!

Now we sold Kaka', let's keep other players and let's bring good additions to that roster to have a competitive team and competition for each position (forcing the starting players to play well).

Rosoneri_11, buy shirts without number/name on the back next time !!
Anyway, the same thing happened to me with Gilardino ...

I really dislike what Pato says ... even if I understand the fact that he is maybe very close to Ancelotti. Anyway, he won't ask advices to Ancelotti as a Chelsea coach but to Ancelotti as a man I think, and I don't think that Ancelotti wants to kill Milan (by taking one of the most promising players) ?

About the amounts invested, I put it again, you will understand why we can use money:

- 60M debt

+ 15M from Gourcuff
+ 65M from Kaka
+ 40M from CL qualification
+ Budget initially planned for this mercato but we will never know what was the amount (let's imagine 20M ?)
=> Addition of these amounts: 120M + potentially 20M

++ 36M that can be used for wages (wage of Kaka' for 4 years of contract that can be partially used for the next players)

So that lets us with officially 60M to spend on the next mercato, maybe a bit more ...

Originally Posted by Milan_Kaka

rosoneri_11, I just wanted to point out to you that it's "dept" and not "depth".

Thanks mate good for telling me. I really know that it is depth and not dept, because i play a lot of FM when i have free time and i know exactly how should be written.
Since today of 3 am here at greece (when he officially left us) im very upset and angry and if i write something wrong is beacuse i write it so fast as fast my anger is coming out of me! At the moment im writing everything with big passion and anger so my mind isn't not so focused if i wrote something wrong or right. i hope you got my point. I maybe have done already many mistakes posting that post but i don't care i feel so angry right now that.............i realy don't care.

thanks again mate!

A lot of emotions here....

Understandably so....in losing Kaka...

Well, did we in fact lose him? He admits to being in discussions with them for "some time"....which means that a lot of his "I am a Milan player" talk, was just that, talk.

I am not trying to absolve Berlu from blame, as if he didn't want Kaka to leave, he could have just given Kaka a new contract, but for whatever reason (financial or otherwise) he chose not to.

From my perspective, were Kaka true to his words, he wouldn't have left, indeed, if his love for Milan was as strong as he claimed, money would never motivate him to leave.

Would money motivate anyone of us to become Inter fans? In the end, I am forced to answer that question myself...and the answer is: NO!!

If you love a club that much, shouldn't u be willing to make sacrifices for the club? Instead of putting your aspirations ahead of it? Especially when the club made u into the player you are? What is the real difference between £9M per year and £9.5? Seriously....a Bently?

The cold hard facts are that there is one legend: Paolo Maldini. I am just happy that he played for Milan. He is the example that shows the true nature of the "evangelist"...as one more interested in monetary gain, than in loyalty.

As has been said in this thread, it takes 2 to tango....let's take a look at B & G's role in this (I tend to exclude Galliani when discussing management, as he is only a puppet, but will include him here, becuz of all his previous rants about tombstones etc.)

The moment I saw that R80 was enroute to Milan, I knew Kaka's days in the club were numbered. The moment I saw where Carlo wasn't playing R80, I knew his day were numbered. So its no real surprise to me, especially after the narrow miss with Man City, that management wouldn't be reluctant to sell the club's "most prized" asset...

I defend Berlu's actions only from an economic/lockerroom perspective: Can Milan "afford" to continually raise Kaka's salary (while not doing so for his team-mates) in the face of offers from other clubs? Beckham (although he is the Trojan horse of Madrid) shows that in this day of materialisim, one can make monetary sacrifices (his to the tune of $10M) to stay/go where u want....where was Kaka's willingness to (and get this) remain as one of the highest paid players in the world, at current salary? Or even take a pay-cut to stay?

On the other hand, couldn't Berlu find an extra half a million £s to keep him? Or would that mean increasing everyone else's pay everytime AS, Marca, or the Daily Mail printed an article? We already have the highest wage bill in Italy, if not Europe...

In all this, let's not lose sight of the facts. Just as Berlu ushered in a new era in club football management and ownership, when he bought Milan, so too have the Russian oligarchs, the Middle Eastern Oil barons and, the US capitalists(though theirs with questionable fiscal results).

Berlu is no longer among the elite financially, he is in the 2nd tier, no longer able (or willing?) to make the investments necessary to stay with the pack in this ever escalating, expenditure driven chase for silverware...were he, then the Kaka saga would have had a very different ending.

Money, in the absence of strategy, does nothing however, increasingly, strategy in the absence of money also pays scant dividends. So there must be a vision working in tandem with expenditure, in order for any club to succeed on the biggest stage. Which begs the question: will Milan strategize and spend wisely? Who knows? Early days in this mercato yet.

These are challenging times for any club, and now moreso Milan. With a new coach, the loss of a key player, and only hazy, insubstantial news as to aquisitions, many of us must worry as to not only what the short term future of the club is, but the long term one as well. With, or without Kaka, a new inexperienced coach was always a challenge...and yet, this isn't the concern of most (though I confess it remains my biggest concern, especially in a league that seemed to invent the tactical approach)...the majority of us are wondering who we will buy with the £80M from the sale of arguably 2 of the best creative midfielders out there...

Only time will reveal that, as well as the impact this monumental mercato will have on the club's future. Let's not forget that Platini's plan to exclude debt ridden clubs from Uefa competition is a very real threat...yet the finer points of this rule have yet to be elucidated, and further, would we still watch the UCL without Man U, Liverpool, Inter, Madrid, Barca and the other clubs who, due to their huge debts would be excluded from the competition?

I would...but then I am a Milan fan first and foremost...I would watch Milan in Serie C if I had to. Would others watch a UCL tourney without Europes biggest guns though? Would the "uncommitted" fan watch, and importantly, pay to watch?

Which raises the possibility of Platini's idea being a non-starter (though I doubt it...I think it will become a uefa ruling one way or another).

In this time of rapidly changing circumstance, I can take great pride in my alliance and identification with a true legend and symbol, a true icon, and like San Paolo, will remain a Milanista, for life....come (and go) who (or) what may.

I will always think that Kaka left us to help Milan in a difficult financial situation, everyone else can feel free to think that he betrayed us or whatever.

Berlusconi paid our loss for this season, which was even a bit more than what we got for Kaka. However in these financial crisis times he probably lost unbelievable amount of money, and didn't feel he could spend big on the transfer market in ADDITION to paying our huge losses. Selling Kaka makes sense for several reasons:

1) We get enough money to at least buy a couple of quality players that fit into Leonardos' new system. Also remember that we don't have all the money from Kaka + Gourcuff to spend, as we must pay wages, agent fees, player sign-on fee etc aswell as taxes. But I do believe we will sign at least 2 players that cost quite a bit, and I do also believe we will recall some of our loaned out players, especially Abate. If we get Dzeko aswell, it really seems the management finally opened their eyes and realized we need to buy young and create the new winning generation.

2) We fix a big part of our salary budget. We paid €16m a year for Kaka (50% taxes). This is more than what Real Madrid will have to pay for him (€9m for Kaka + 25% taxes).

3) We remove the player who by far made the most money in our club. His salary made the other players ask for more money, and this was a really evil cycle that spiraled our salary budget out of control. Now maybe we can break this cycle, and make the clubs economy much more healthy over the next few years.

4) We sell Kaka at the optimal time. He had his peak in 2007, he is now turning 27 and only have 2-3 more seasons at the top. The reason for this is that he is a player that totally have to rely on his speed, and when you turn 30 (give or take) you lose some of that speed. Kaka without his top speed will not be a top 5 player in the world anymore, even if he surely can be a good player.

Okay, so it's sad to see such a great player leave, and his commitment to Milan these years has given us a lot of joy. But like i wrote many pages earlier, and as others have pointed out: Milan is bigger than any player, and we will strike back after Kaka as well. Maybe Leonardo can get R80 back into shape, and if we can have Pato and Dzeko up top with R80 supplying them, we can really have an exciting season ahead of us.

And let's not start assuming Pato is a Chelsea player just yet. He said in his interview that he didn't get a chance to talk to Ancelotti after the Fiorentina match cause of a doping test. Ancelotti helped Pato a lot in developing and giving him the chance to play, so I think there is a a special bond and it's natural that he wanted to talk to him before he left etc. Let's not just assume that he want's to go to Chelsea just yet. I firmly believe that Pato will play in Milan shirt in the first match of the 09/10 season.

FORZA MILAN! Let's make a new and young team over the next few years!

Originally Posted by rosoneri_11

I bought firstly 7 Sheva just a couple of months before he left us.
And now i bought the 22 kaka just acouple of months before the second traitor left us.What a strange and similar fate. **** my luckyness! I will never buy another shirt for sure.

Come on, man. Buy Seedorf jersey, please!

Another super GOAL by Edin Dzeko in firendly match! This man is unstopable machine..

Originally Posted by Fret

Sell Kaka for 65 mil, Pato for 40 mil, Pirlo for 30 mil...OMG that's so much money that we could buy Inter now

Newcastle for sale for 100mil, we can buy them...

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Stop asking for a sale of Seedorf and Pirlo ...
The situation was clear: we sell Kaka', Ronaldinho, Pirlo, or Seedorf !!

Now we sold Kaka', let's keep other players and let's bring good additions to that roster to have a competitive team and competition for each position (forcing the starting players to play well).

Rosoneri_11, buy shirts without number/name on the back next time !!
Anyway, the same thing happened to me with Gilardino ...

I really dislike what Pato says ... even if I understand the fact that he is maybe very close to Ancelotti. Anyway, he won't ask advices to Ancelotti as a Chelsea coach but to Ancelotti as a man I think, and I don't think that Ancelotti wants to kill Milan (by taking one of the most promising players) ?

About the amounts invested, I put it again, you will understand why we can use money:

- 60M debt

+ 15M from Gourcuff
+ 65M from Kaka
+ 40M from CL qualification
+ Budget initially planned for this mercato but we will never know what was the amount (let's imagine 20M ?)
=> Addition of these amounts: 120M + potentially 20M

++ 36M that can be used for wages (wage of Kaka' for 4 years of contract that can be partially used for the next players)

So that lets us with officially 60M to spend on the next mercato, maybe a bit more ...

Nice idea my friend about the shirt, since 3 am my brain had stuck of findineg ideas!
About the budget, 60?
Firstly why we can have 40m by entering in CL? I know that is around 5-10M getting in the groups.I know that winning the CL is around the moneys you said.
As for the Kaka's wage moneys.He was paid around 8-9 mil per year right.The 36m you are saying would have been payed in the next 3-4 years of his contract right. 8-9 milions per year.
At the moment if we want to use those 36m we can't, we can use only the 8-9 because that is what we have save rigth now from his wages.a pleyr when signs a contract he is payed by yearly wages he don't get all the moneys once.
I think you got my point.

Originally Posted by Stitch

Come on, man. Buy Seedorf jersey, please!

Ok, thats a good reason to get one.
From now i start the hunt period of seedorf's shirt in my city.