Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by mrki

Im saying you all think Dinho can play what Kaka' did. Like you suddenly forget in what shape Dinho is. Im not complaining aboutr Dzeko, he is a good player. I SAID SO.

I hope you all understand that Pato is now destined to play on the right coz Dinho CANT switch sides as Kaka could. Ribery would be a different story.

Ronaldinho was the one that needed to be sold, not Kaka'. Also, why do some people suddenly think Pirlo, Ambro, Seedorf will fly on the pitch next year together with ronaldinho? Its nor realistic.

----Pato---Dinho---
--------CF----

Its sucks! Pato's shoot is cutten off, Dinho cant switch sides as he could 5 years back. You'll see.

You're assuming we'll sell Kaka and the squad will stay as is...which I HIGHLY doubt will be the case. The sale of Kaka might enable us to buy players that allow us to play as a TEAM and not a collection individuals that just give the ball to Kaka/Pato. Wait and see.

i sure ronaldinho will be playing behind the strikers he bit too slow for second striker role, it looks like Milan are bringing back the good old diamond formation sigh. I would prefer Milan to play will wingers to expose the flanks but it like a diamond formation or 4-3-3 system like mrki has displayed. Maybe Leonardo might even copy the formation used by Milan when he was a player.

Originally Posted by mrki

Im saying you all think Dinho can play what Kaka' did. Like you suddenly forget in what shape Dinho is. Im not complaining aboutr Dzeko, he is a good player. I SAID SO.

I hope you all understand that Pato is now destined to play on the right coz Dinho CANT switch sides as Kaka could. Ribery would be a different story.

How do you know what shape Ronaldinho will be in when the season starts? And how do you know that Leonardo's Milan will be a cookie-cutter copy of Carlo's Milan? Let's wait and see who is playing in what role and what they are capable of contributing.

Ronaldinho was the one that needed to be sold, not Kaka'. Also, why do some people suddenly think Pirlo, Ambro, Seedorf will fly on the pitch next year together with ronaldinho? Its nor realistic.

Ronaldinho probably should not have been bought to begin with. But he was. Selling him now (while it wouldn't be a bad idea at a decent price) would not give Milan the funds to rebuild into a young, dynamic squad. Selling Kaka has (whether Milan actually does it or not, the funds are now there).

And who is talking about Pirlo, Ambro and Seedorf "flying" on the pitch next year? If they are here, each can have an important role to play. That doesn't preclude Milan from buying new players who actually can fly on the pitch. Let's wait and see what the Milan squad looks like. We have a whole summer of mercato open before us.

I respect but cannot help disagreeing with some members here who believe that Dinho can fill in Kaka's boots. I remember a game where he scored (or provided the assist, I'm not quite certain now). Someone said it was arguably his best performance in Milan jersey, while I said exatcly the otherwise.

He did relatively well in the 1st half of the season, but wilted away in the 2nd half. . He needs to work hard. Just like Brasileiro said, it seems that he's no longer interested in paying the price to once again become the old Dinho. He still has the talent, but he has no longer has the fitness required to exploit his talent, nor a willingness to try. Even Carlo himself said that he wasn't satisfied with what Dinho had shown in training.

Perhaps, now is the perfect time for him, but deep down I highly doubt it. Although, as a Milan fan, I would love to be proven wrong in this case.

I know I'm taking a wild shot here but do you guys think we could sell Dinho this summer and how much could Milan get of it?

Berlu sacked Carlo to some extent because he didn't play Dinho quite as often as Berlu had wanted, so there's no way Milan will sell Dinho.

Originally Posted by Nalx

I respect but cannot help disagreeing with some members here who believe that Dinho can fill in Kaka's boots. I remember a game where he scored (or provided the assist, I'm not quite certain now). Someone said it was arguably his best performance in Milan jersey, while I said exatcly the otherwise.

He did relatively well in the 1st half of the season, but wilted away in the 2nd half. . He needs to work hard. Just like Brasileiro said, it seems that he's no longer interested in paying the price to once again become the old Dinho. He still has the talent, but he has no longer has the fitness required to exploit his talent, nor a willingness to try. Even Carlo himself said that he wasn't satisfied with what Dinho had shown in training.

Perhaps, now is the perfect time for him, but deep down I highly doubt it. Although, as a Milan fan, I would love to be proven wrong in this case.

But what do you mean by "fill his boots?" Nobody -- absolutely frickin' nobody -- has said that Ronaldinho can play as well now as he did a couple of years ago or that he will be as good as Kaka. But he is still capable of being a very good player in a similar role. That's all anyone is saying. We have Ronaldinho. He is a Milan player. Kaka is not. Why shouldn't we use him as a stopgap while using the Kaka money to build a fresh, young, dynamic new Milan squad?

So Carlo wasn't satisfied with him in training? Okay, so what? That's in the past. Carlo isn't at Milan. There is a new coach in Leonardo. Under Carlo, Ronaldinho never had an opportunity to play regularly. Maybe this is why his training was a bit lackluster. But maybe now there is a new opportunity for Ronaldinho to prove himself again. How do you know that he won't be inspired by the challenge and respond to the new coach? It just doesn't make sense to throw Ronaldinho by the wayside and assume he is no longer capable or that he can't get back a little of the old fire. You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Edit: wrong thread.

Originally Posted by Nalx

Thank for all those world-conquering years, Kaka. You've given so much... ....And in return I believe Milan and all the fans, have given you just as much, what with all those homage, pay rises and *cough-cough* babysitting your kid brother.... .....you were sooo close to becoming our next legend..... .....I guess the good thing that comes out of this saga.... .....is just how rare and valuable a champion like Paolo is, a gentleman whom you have spent years learning from, and even have said that you wanted to follow his legacy.... ....But you don't...
....Therefore you are not in his league........I wish you all the good things in your personal life, but obviously not in the professional one.

So the next time you step on the field as our opponent, I suggest you stay away from our Rino. Nothing personal, just business.

This is the best post I read in the last few days and it made me laugh and cry at the same time.
Pure poetry

I think Dzeko is going to be exactly what we need:

------------Pato---------Dzeko (mostly playing central)-----
-------------------Dinho-----------------------------------

I think Dinho feeding the two up front will spurn a lot of goals this year. With a defense built correctly and the injection of quality wingers, I think our fortunes can be turn for next season...

Originally Posted by Rick

But what do you mean by "fill his boots?" Nobody -- absolutely frickin' nobody -- has said that Ronaldinho can play as well now as he did a couple of years ago or that he will be as good as Kaka. But he is still capable of being a very good player in a similar role. That's all anyone is saying. We have Ronaldinho. He is a Milan player. Kaka is not. Why shouldn't we use him as a stopgap while using the Kaka money to build a fresh, young, dynamic new Milan squad?

It's just my way of saying, just like it's yours to say my argument would be like "throwing the baby out with the bathwater". Of course no one expects him to be the exact replacement of Kaka, as every player is unique. I don't doubt your saying "he's capable of being a very good player", but in order to be so, he needs to work REALLY HARD. Which lead us to your second point below. . .

Originally Posted by Rick

So Carlo wasn't satisfied with him in training? Okay, so what? That's in the past. Carlo isn't at Milan. There is a new coach in Leonardo. Under Carlo, Ronaldinho never had an opportunity to play regularly. Maybe this is why his training was a bit lackluster. But maybe now there is a new opportunity for Ronaldinho to prove himself again. How do you know that he won't be inspired by the challenge and respond to the new coach? It just doesn't make sense to throw Ronaldinho by the wayside and assume he is no longer capable or that he can't get back a little of the old fire. You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

I remember a year ago reading an interview with him. He said that during his final months in Barca, there were many false news about him. He said he did love to party sometimes snce there's nothing wrong with that (I agree), but during the season he works as hard as he should be. I read it and changed my mind, saying he's a professional, and that's just what we need from him: his doing what he has been asked to do as a professional footballer.

It appeared to work well at first, but things changed drastically after the winter break. He couldn't break into he starting line up, beaten by Beckham whose arrival we believed to be a marketing tool yet surprisingly exceeded everybody's expectation. Then we heard Carlo publicly said his disatisfaction, that it takes more than just skills.

Now, you said it was then, this is now, that it's not right to assume that " he won't be inspired by the challenge and respond to the new coach" and I respect your point. But I'll only believe it when I see it. And from what I've seen, his performances on the field especially on the latter phase of the season, he has lost his own ability to motivate himself. Heck, if you really are a professional footballer, you don't need new coach to motivate yourself. First and foremost, it's your responsibility.

Originally Posted by Nalx

It's just my way of saying, just like it's yours to say my argument would be like "throwing the baby out with the bathwater". Of course no one expects him to be the exact replacement of Kaka, as every player is unique. I don't doubt your saying "he's capable of being a very good player", but in order to be so, he needs to work REALLY HARD. Which lead us to your second point below. . .



I remember a year ago reading an interview with him. He said that during his final months in Barca, there were many false news about him. He said he did love to party sometimes snce there's nothing wrong with that (I agree), but during the season he works as hard as he should be. I read it and changed my mind, saying he's a professional, and that's just what we need from him: his doing what he has been asked to do as a professional footballer.

It appeared to work well at first, but things changed drastically after the winter break. He couldn't break into he starting line up, beaten by Beckham whose arrival we believed to be a marketing tool yet surprisingly exceeded everybody's expectation. Then we heard Carlo publicly said his disatisfaction, that it takes more than just skills.

Now, you said it was then, this is now, that it's not right to assume that " he won't be inspired by the challenge and respond to the new coach" and I respect your point. But I'll only believe it when I see it. And from what I've seen, his performances on the field especially on the latter phase of the season, he has lost his own ability to motivate himself. Heck, if you really are a professional footballer, you don't need new coach to motivate yourself. First and foremost, it's your responsibility.

All excellent points. I suppose I just choose to take the optimistic side. You're certainly correct that as a professional you shouldn't need a coach to motivate you. But we all know that sometimes players will get in a funk over their situation. Also sometimes they rebound (think "Comeback Player of the Year"). I'll just add that I can understand your skepticism, I suppose. I said all along that I'd heard the story too often and I would believe Kaka was going to Milan when I saw it. Well, now I've seen it. Hopefully we can see the comeback of Ronaldinho as well.

Originally Posted by Rick

All excellent points. I suppose I just choose to take the optimistic side. You're certainly correct that as a professional you shouldn't need a coach to motivate you. But we all know that sometimes players will get in a funk over their situation. Also sometimes they rebound (think "Comeback Player of the Year"). I'll just add that I can understand your skepticism, I suppose. I said all along that I'd heard the story too often and I would believe Kaka was going to Milan when I saw it. Well, now I've seen it. Hopefully we can see the comeback of Ronaldinho as well.

That's why I said Rick, much as skeptic as I am now, I would LOVE TO BE PROVEN WRONG if it means that Dinho's revival can bring us to success

FORZA MILAN!

I dont quite understand who is going to play for Milan in the next season...Seems like we are going to suck throughout the whole next season.

the midfield players seems so unnecessary without kaka i just can't imagine a long term future with seedorf pirlo and ronaldinho in the midfield. no offence but i midfielder i would like Milan to retain is pirlo, roanldinho is a awesome player no doubt but 29 how many more years can he be a top player 5 maybe 6. Seedorf is just a joke now and only fit for substitute roles and a start in the champions league appearance on occasion. Pirlo is really the only player that has real longevity with his style of play. I think a new approach is needed playing so many amf midfield players is crazy, maybe we can try using wingers for a while