Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Gio-mania

Lyon has offered 14M for him. According to CdS (link here) he would prefer us over them, so if we offered the same price we'd get him (assuming Porto accept the offer).

Players dont come cheap nowadays....

(EDIT: type-o)

From what I read (and if reports are to be believed), Lyon offered 8 for him and Porto asked for 14. I would imagine that Milan can get him for 10 or 11.

Originally Posted by Filipéz 182

we can critisize the management as much as we want but saying we always overpay is not fair. Everytime a big club shows up and wants to buy a certain player they have to pay more!! Look at the other big teams how much they pay for their players. for example real madrid who paid 30m for pepe, man utd paid 22m for nani, 22m for anderson.... etc. Big teams always need to pay more!!

Milan fans are a funny bunch (as are all fans, I suppose). Everybody wants big names, but they don't want to pay for them. If Milan buys a player, fans b1tch that they paid so much. If they get outbid for the same player, fans b1tch about Milan being cheap and not willing to be aggressive in the market. With Real Madrid throwing around the sort of money they have on Kaka, Ronaldo, Villa and whoever else they come up with, the market will only continue to spiral. You have to pay for quality these days. Might as well get the guys you want now rather than wait until the price goes up again.

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

I wonder if this whole debt thing--or at least the exaggeration if it--is a ruse by the management. After all, by pleading poverty they can claim they paid off debts with the massive Kaka' sale, and clubs will not overcharge them.

It's a big exaggeration. I was reading an article the other day that explained how Milan's debt was very manageable (it had to do with credit ratings, etc.). And when you compare Milan's debt (which was mostly a one-off thing -- hopefully -- stemming from missing out on the Champions League last year) to the debt of some of the "big" clubs in England and Spain (Real Madrid's debt was nearly 500 million euros before this spending spree), Milan's debt is miniscule in comparison.

I think Cissokho, Dzeko and another defender is very realistic. Also, I believe that if, God willing, these players live up to expectations we will have a great season.

I agree!

Rick and Hasan, I agree with you both, wholeheartedly.

I've come to realize that directors of football clubs have to posture and make bold statements, like the director of Sao Paolo. Brazilian football has seen a recent upsurge in interest from local fans in the past few years, which was something that few football pundits predicted. I'm sure Brasiliero could give more detail on that.

Yet, I think that the team really will be in transition for a little bit longer than we expect. I don't think Oddo will be leaving Milan, in fact, I don't want him to go. If you look at Milan's problem since 2005-2006ish we have had depth problems.

Many of you list Vogel or Dhorosoo as proof of the lack of quality that Milan has. Are you kidding me? Vogel played very well when Pirlo was out for a few games with injury, plus Dhorosoo was also quality when he came in, he made the 2006 French squad, so I don't see how he could be that poor. The only reason Oliveira failed at Milan, in my opinion, was because his SISTER was KIDNAPPED for the majority of the season.

Of the many older players we talk about, the only players I really want to get rid of is Kaladze and Kalac. Last year I traveled to Milan to watch Milan play Arsenal and those two players ruined that game, sure Milan were not at their best, but watching these two made my blood boil. Dida can be useful, and I still think Seedorf has something to give, one bad season doesn't make someone finished to me, and considering how experienced he is and how tactically aware he is, we will need as many players with such characteristics as we can, since our manager is trying his hand at management for the first time in his life.

I think a very realistic squad for next season is:

GK: Abbiati, Dida, Kalac
RB: Zambro, Oddo
LB: Janku, Antonini, Cissoko
CB: Nesta, Thiago, Bonera, Kaladze, SANTACROCE
CM: Gattuso, Pirlo, Ambro, Flamini, Beckham (Jan-), D'AGOSTINO,
AM/W: Ronaldinho, Abate, Seedorf
ST: Pato, Boriello, Dzeko, Inzaghi,

Players in caps are dream additions that will never happen, which I hate.

We might all critisize Janku, but when he plays in midfield, he plays very well, and with Oddo returning, and Zambro being able to play on either side, honestly, the problem hasn't been our full backs, it has been the center of defense. I think Milan really need someone, I don't know why we don't go for someone like Esposito of Lecce? He was great this season, and in a very poor team, who have been relegated! It is clear Milan need someone in the center. My other question is that perhaps the Uruguayan boys could find next season their season to step up? Albertazzi is highly regarded, and perhaps he'll pull a Paloschi?

With the squad above, I'd play like so:

------------Abbiati
Zambro---Nesta--Thiago--Cissoko
----Gattuso---Pirlo---Flamini
-----------Ronaldinho
-------Pato--------Dzeko

Injuries can make Zambro push left, Oddo is a good right back, Janku can push up to midfield, Antonini can play on either side, and if need be, Bonera can play either in the center or on the right.

I really think it is critical Milan has more depth, that has been our continual problem, our first 11 is actually really excellent, the problem is our first 11 have been played so often, relied upon so much more heavily than other team's first 11, they have began to just break down from exhaustion. We were great before because we had backups in the form of Stam, Dhorosoo, Vogel, Simic, Brocchi, Rui Costa and others who were great players (sometimes starters) but when they weren't, they could come in when needed. We don't have that anymore, that's Milan's biggest problem, I think.

Sao Paolo: 'Milan are broke!'
Saturday 13 June, 2009
Sao Paolo are sarcastic on Milan's chances of signing Miranda and Hernanes. “Everyone knows they're broke.”

The Rossoneri have been linked with both Brazilian talents, but the rumoured offer of £20m for the pair is seen as insulting.

“Let's wait a minute,” joked technical director Joao Paulo de Jesus Lopes on Globoesporte.

“I need to find out how much a crate of bananas is worth, as that is how much they want to give us for both players.

“We know that Milan ended the season in the red and not even the £60m from Kaka's sale to Real Madrid was enough to balance the books.”

The actual price-tags proposed by Sao Paolo are far greater for the Brazilian talents.

“Miranda has a buy-out clause worth £11m, while to buy Hernanes you need at least £35m,” added the director.

“If an offer does come for our two players, it is more likely to arrive from Spain, as their clubs are financially stronger.”

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The problems with pretending to be broke are:

1. You make a fool of yourself
2. People lose respect for you as a major power
3. Everyone will think they can get double your offer from teams that have more money

you have to add ambrosini to your team, as he is our captain. what a strange decision IMO.

Originally Posted by nefremo

I know that figures shouldn't always be taken so seriously, but this clown has really got me going with the disrespect he has shown to us......also with the crates of bananas he mentioned.

When you consider that we bought Kaka from them for peanuts (slightly cheaper than bananas) and sold him for 60 million pounds, you start to understand this guys frustration.

Sorry, but to call Dida finished is just plain nuts, considering the nice little comeback season he had compared to last year.

Originally Posted by HaRoss

I wonder if this whole debt thing--or at least the exaggeration if it--is a ruse by the management. After all, by pleading poverty they can claim they paid off debts with the massive Kaka' sale, and clubs will not overcharge them.

I wouldn't put anything past them. We're the only club in Italy constantly kvetching about our supposed sad-sack financial situation.

Heck, we ought to trade logos with Roma simply because we're the best squad out there when it comes to crying wolf.

Pato: It's Milan's decision
Saturday 13 June, 2009
Alexandre Pato looks set to turn down the offer from Chelsea to remain with Milan, confirmed his agent.

“Pato had a meeting with Milan and it is the club that decides on the future of a player,” Gilmar Veloz told Telelombardia this evening.

Carlo Ancelotti had wanted Pato to come to Chelsea with him and the Brazilian said he would “listen” to what the London club had to say.

“I will speak with Ancelotti before deciding on my future,” said the young striker earlier this week.

It looks as if Milan will refuse to release Pato, but it remains to be seen whether he will earn a pay rise as part of the deal.

“This is not a problem we will talk about in public,” added agent Veloz. “The contract is an issue between us and a private matter for the player.”

channel4.com

It seems that our management came down really hard on Pato for his comments, which I'm happy about, he shouldn't have talked like he did, made the club look pretty bad.

I guess the club is one that keeps our issues private, and I have always liked that.

Originally Posted by Samaldinho

It seems that our management came down really hard on Pato for his comments, which I'm happy about, he shouldn't have talked like he did, made the club look pretty bad.

I guess the club is one that keeps our issues private, and I have always liked that.

Amen. For him to come out and say what he did just hours after Kaka was sold was inconsiderate.

I guess that's true, when you think about it; Milan rarely airs its dirty laundry in public, something Inert can't seem to get enough of.

Pato is young. It's a good lesson and he'll learn.

Originally Posted by Rick

Pato is young. It's a good lesson and he'll learn.

Don't bet on it. He knows exactly what he said, and don't be surprised if he gets a raise this season or the next. I don't blame him though, it's part of the game I guess.

Originally Posted by nefremo

Who is this clown from Sao Paulo insulting Milan. Does he balance our books that he knows how much it would take to put us in the green???

And 35mil POUNDS for Hernanes????? I thought Aulas was crazy, but this Brazilian hero looks like he wants to get reach over night. What has Hernanes done to even demand a 20mil price? Unbelievable and such disrespectful comments. With 35mil pounds (42mil Euro) you can probably be in contention to buy a player such as Ribery.

I know that figures shouldn't always be taken so seriously, but this clown has really got me going with the disrespect he has shown to us......also with the crates of bananas he mentioned.

couldn't agree more... this banana guy makes me feel very offended...

Originally Posted by Rick

Milan fans are a funny bunch (as are all fans, I suppose). Everybody wants big names, but they don't want to pay for them. If Milan buys a player, fans b1tch that they paid so much. If they get outbid for the same player, fans b1tch about Milan being cheap and not willing to be aggressive in the market.

There is a difference between sign any player you want and sign players at any price. Kaka' and CR are worth of their tag price, but really I did not see (yet) Cissokho as worthy as 15M. Everybody here wants Dzeko I think, but will you be happy if Milan spend all of the money from Kaka's sale to get him?

we can only hope Hernanes puts him under pressure that he really wants to leave!! Leo should talk to him, fck this sao paulo dude. Hernanes and milan should play hard ball on him

Originally Posted by ZvonimirBoban

There is a difference between sign any player you want and sign players at any price. Kaka' and CR are worth of their tag price, but really I did not see (yet) Cissokho as worthy as 15M. Everybody here wants Dzeko I think, but will you be happy if Milan spend all of the money from Kaka's sale to get him?

its not realistic to say that Dzeko would cost 68m dude
15m for a very talented LB could be a steal! He's young and very promising. Sometimes you need to buy players who arent yet world class, but could become world class. I'm sure that he is scouted many times if we are really making a 15m bid for him. And remember, the last times we paid decent money for youngster it always turned out to be good deals, gourcuff, kaka, Pato.

If we cant pay for a worldclass LB we should do it this way, and IMO its the way to go! also there arent too many worldclass LB around, and especially none who we could afford. I'm only thinking about Maxwell but we would have to deal with inter and beat off competition to barcelona.

Originally Posted by Filipéz 182

its not realistic to say that Dzeko would cost 68m dude
15m for a very talented LB could be a steal! He's young and very promising. Sometimes you need to buy players who arent yet world class, but could become world class. I'm sure that he is scouted many times if we are really making a 15m bid for him. And remember, the last times we paid decent money for youngster it always turned out to be good deals, gourcuff, kaka, Pato.

If we cant pay for a worldclass LB we should do it this way, and IMO its the way to go! also there arent too many worldclass LB around, and especially none who we could afford. I'm only thinking about Maxwell but we would have to deal with inter and beat off competition to barcelona.

and the problem is I'm not really sure about his quality as I didn't see much of his game or information. anybody have more detailed infos?

about Hernanes, yes I agree that we could ensure him to do some CR7 and revolting... then that fcuked guy from Sao Paolo could eat the bananas from us as much as he likes.