Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Rick

The Jesus of the Bible seemed like a bit of a socialist, helping the poor and all. The Jesus of the fundamentalists is all capitalist baby. All you have to do is look at the preachers on TV. Jesus used to love the poor and the downtrodden. Now it seems the more He loves you the richer He makes you. So I'm not surprised. I'm sure Kaka is really serious about his faith, but it seems greed long ago got the boot from the Seven Deadly Sins. Poverty apparently took its place.

It's funny how are Kaka's loyalty was linked with his faith. Does leaving Milan for Real made him a worse Christian? I don't think so.

I agree it's far-fetched, THOUGH:

Psalms 58:3b “These who speak lies go astray”

lol.

Ok I'm just picking on him now.

No I don't think it should be linked to religion in anyway (sorry mod, oops).

J

Is 30 mil euros gonna be enough to get De Rossi, David Silva or Jao Moutinho? And how much G.Rossi would cost ACM? Any one any idea?

Originally Posted by ZvonimirBoban

With all respect, Zhirkov can't defend. He may be even more awful than our Janku. Cissokho is the best, optimum option out there.

Ok fine. But with all respect, I like Janku very much for what he has done for the last 3 years or so. He is not that bad even as a LWB. He runs more than Gattuso on the field at times. Remember he was the only player to have player every ACM in 2006-2007 CL. I think Janku deserves more from the fans and I would love to see him retire at ACM.

Originally Posted by rt9

Yes, but Dida is a goalkeeper, they can keep playing til they're 40. Second, 4.5 M is HALF of 9 M, so I stand by my point, no sane club will offer 9.5 M Euro per year to a 27 year old for a guaranteed term of 6 years.

Seconly, I don't agree with your previous post. Players who we signed were always up and coming, who then proved a huge success with us. How much did we buy Sheva for? And how much did we sell him? That is proof that he signed with us as a huge up and coming star, and became an established superstar. Then what happened with Chelsea? What happened to his value? He dropped from a superstar to bench player in 2 years.

We were at our worst when we bought players like Real Madrid and Chelsea do these days. When Berlu splashed the cash on Baggio, Papin, or whoever he liked, they came to us with huge reputations and didn't get a chance to prove themselves, or didn't live up to the hype and were eventually sold at a loss. Look at Rui Costa, he did not live up to the hype considering how much we shelled out for him, and look at Kaka, how much did we pay for him? And look what became of him?

All I'm trying to say is that we're better off with the Kaka-type transfers than the BIG Rui Costa-type transfers.....if you know what I mean..

My point is that Berlu will splash that type of money on Kaka as he had done so in the past to over the hill players, not that Kaka is over the hill. Dida was just one example. Seedorf is another, then there is Emerson. They might not make 9.5mil a year but their qualities are light years behind Kaka.

You talk about Sheva, well, Milan did not really got him on the cheap as he did cost about 20Mil. And once you add in the inflation of the players market over the years, Milan might have sold him for 30Mil two years ago, but it is actually less than what Milan played for him. As two years ago, Pool got Babel for 15mil. Thats show you how much the market had inflated. So 30Mil two years ago might actually be 17mil or less at the time we got Sheva.
On top of that, most of us, if no all thought Sheva's deal was a horrible deal for Milan...It only looks good now, b/c Sheva failed, but if he done well or good at Chelsea, most of us will still be cursing our MGT about selling Sheva.

[quote=Rick;535988]
Actually, Milan bought Marco and Gullit in 1987. Rijkaard, if I'm not mistaken, was signed from Sporting as soon as his loan deal ended with Real Zaragoza in 1988, before the Euro 2008 competition in June. Granted, they were all stars in the Dutch league, but they had not proven themselves at the Serie A level.QUOTE]

Already talked about Kaka and Sheva.

Well, maybe the Dutch Trio were bought before Euro 88, can't really remember that long. But Berlu did broke the transfer fees for Gullit at that time. I think it was about 8mil or so, but it was a huge amount for any player at that time. Kind of like 80Mil for C Ronaldo

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

My point is that Berlu will splash that type of money on Kaka as he had done so in the past to over the hill players, not that Kaka is over the hill. Dida was just one example. Seedorf is another, then there is Emerson. They might not make 9.5mil a year but their qualities are light years behind Kaka.

You talk about Sheva, well, Milan did not really got him on the cheap as he did cost about 20Mil. And once you add in the inflation of the players market over the years, Milan might have sold him for 30Mil two years ago, but it is actually less than what Milan played for him. As two years ago, Pool got Babel for 15mil. Thats show you how much the market had inflated. So 30Mil two years ago might actually be 17mil or less at the time we got Sheva.
On top of that, most of us, if no all thought Sheva's deal was a horrible deal for Milan...It only looks good now, b/c Sheva failed, but if he done well or good at Chelsea, most of us will still be cursing our MGT about selling Sheva.

u can't simply comapre this way.
u still gotta look at wat Sheva brought us during his stay with us.

bought at 20mil -> inflation -> sold at 30mil -> no profit due to inflation?

wat abt the goals he scored for us?
wat abt the matches he won for us?
wat abt the CL we won?
these are the non-material profits.

Originally Posted by mzk57

Is 30 mil euros gonna be enough to get De Rossi, David Silva or Jao Moutinho? And how much G.Rossi would cost ACM? Any one any idea?

DE rossi would alone cost 40 mln..Now with the markets inflated he would cost more...

Originally Posted by vermyapre

u can't simply comapre this way.
u still gotta look at wat Sheva brought us during his stay with us.

bought at 20mil -> inflation -> sold at 30mil -> no profit due to inflation?

wat abt the goals he scored for us?
wat abt the matches he won for us?
wat abt the CL we won?
these are the non-material profits.

Dude, I think you should read all the posts about this. As I am having a discussion about Milan buying already made players or great prospects.

His/her point is that Milan bought Sheva as a great prospects, got him for less money than Milan sold him. While I beg the different. As I pointed out Milan actually sold him for less money they got him for. It was only on transfer money.

As for what you are saying, no doubt about it, I think Sheva was worth all the money Milan spent on him, salaries + transfer fees.

Originally Posted by mzk57

Is 30 mil euros gonna be enough to get De Rossi, David Silva or Jao Moutinho? And how much G.Rossi would cost ACM? Any one any idea?

I doubt 30 mil euros would be enough even just for ONE of them. Rossi for 15-25M euros I think.

Originally Posted by mzk57

Ok fine. But with all respect, I like Janku very much for what he has done for the last 3 years or so. He is not that bad even as a LWB. He runs more than Gattuso on the field at times. Remember he was the only player to have player every ACM in 2006-2007 CL. I think Janku deserves more from the fans and I would love to see him retire at ACM.

Yes. I think you missed my point. You said that Cissokho was second best option after Zhirkov. I said that Zhirkov defends awfully and even Janku did better so I think Cissokho is better than Zhirkov. I only took Janku for comparison, no disrespect or offense to him.

Originally Posted by vermyapre

u can't simply comapre this way.
u still gotta look at wat Sheva brought us during his stay with us.

bought at 20mil -> inflation -> sold at 30mil -> no profit due to inflation?

wat abt the goals he scored for us?
wat abt the matches he won for us?
wat abt the CL we won?
these are the non-material profits.

Is it just me or sheva was sold for 45+ mil euros????

One more thing. When he was bought it was 20 mil DM(deutch marks) equal to 10 mil euros now.

Originally Posted by rt9

People keep forgetting that the best Milan teams of old did not actually buy the biggest of names, they were quality players who came here and became stars. Where were Gullit, Van Basten, and Rijkaard before coming to Milan? They were top players in their league, but became superstars with us---their values would have quadrupled if we were ever to sell them. Now look at the latest "cycle"---Pirlo, Seedorf, Kaladze, Gattuso, Ambrosini----these guys were not superstars. Pirlo and Seedorf were Inter rejects---we made them superstars. Look at Kaka. Who was he when we bought him? Another Brazilian prospect---and what is he today? Similarly with Pato---we bought him for 22M, today he is worth double.

The point I'm trying to make is that we have been a club that has been most successful when we buy quality players and integrate them into our team and turn them into top stars. We are not like Real Madrid who only buy players when they become stars. IN fact, when we tried to do that in the mid 1990's, we flopped---We had Roby Baggio, Papin on the bench. Vieira was wasted in the youth team. Davids came and didn't find space. That is a failed approach.

As long as management are looking for the best talent out there and competing for their signatures, I'm happy. WIth regards to Kaka, people keep forgetting, it was his decision to go, we simply cannot bump up his salary and extend his contract each time Madrid knock on the door, so if he wants to leave, I'm all the more happy he's gone.

Pippo, Rui Costa, Nesta?

Originally Posted by kastriot

Is it just me or sheva was sold for 45+ mil euros????

One more thing. When he was bought it was 20 mil DM(deutch marks) equal to 10 mil euros now.

Yes. Sheva was around that price. Some said it's around 30 mil pounds, others said around 35 mil pounds. Like you said, it's around 45+ mil euros.

If I remember correctly, Sheva was brought in the region of 14-15 mil pounds (around 22 mil euros).

ps : I think, the price should be always in pounds. Goal.com said Kaka was second expensive player after Zidane BECAUSE they use euros as currency, if we use pounds Zidane's price is second to Kaka's one.

Originally Posted by Filipéz 182

Rossi : "My model was the Milan of Sacchi"

L' Italy rediscovers the talent of Rossi Giuseppe (22) after the precious shotgun put to mark yesterday in the divided d' debut of Confederations Cup against the Usa. But Rossi, alive for two years on international stages realizing the lucks of the Villareal, squares in which soldier at present. The Italians, that had not the far-sightedness of to aim on the young Reds to the times of the Parma, begin think to be able restore it in Series TO. L' attaching some Yellow Submarine in the divided post claim to inspire itself to the Milan of Sacchi: "When I was small and I lived in Italy my model it was the Milan of Sacchi with Gullit, Van Basten and very other champions". It does you would do in the moment in which it should receive a telephone call of Galliani? "I would answer him hello", it affirms ironically Rossi.

translated from http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=8272

Here's the English version..

http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy...love-for-milan

Do we need a better invitation to go after him? his club are the biggest problem, they will probably do as Wolfsburg did and hike up the price.

Sorry to double post. Unfortunately I'm the bearer of bad news. Juve pushing for both Rossi and Santacroce...

http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy...ossi-mahamadou

http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/trans...n-de-ceglie-to