Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by johncharles365

brk the reason Milan isn't making a profit is because this Berlusconi actions and his sons miss management of the club. I pretty sure if Milan didn't spend cash on wasters like ronaldo redondo ronaldinho emerson and brochi all berlusconi signing that Milan would have saved 50 million euros and 26 million euros in wages. if the club sells a players it is the clubs money they developed the player they facilitated the player every day life and most importantly managed the players fitness. Football isn't a business it is sport it doesn't operate like any business in world and shouldn't be made to be profitable the best financial situation for any club it to make enough to cover cost and provide enough cash for transfers. Anyway if the management keep the money and don't invest in the team it is going to cost them more in the long run. the cash should be spent buying 4 or 5 young player who cost a maximum of 3 euros a season and can sold to provide cash for new signing. I worry for you if you think Football is about making huge profits margins

No no no, you see it isn't. It is a business. He bought the club to increase his public profile so he could enter politics. Now that he's at the top again, and doesn't care about his profile anymore, he doesn't feel the need to make a loss. He's running it as a business now because he owns it and wants it to be run profitably. It's not an NGO or a charity or whatever. The people don't own the club. Berlusconi does. Stop acting like he's burning your money or wasting it or whatever. If you want to be helpful and productive fans, support the team.

I would love nothing more than having Berlusconi sell the team. His cycle should have ended two years ago. But he still owns the team, and we really can't do anything about that. Live with it.

Originally Posted by xvr11

Abbiati off major surgery, with a youth keeper as the backup? You must be crazy.

My point exactly. Plus, it's doubtful Kalac will be going anywhere else either, so there's a double whammy right there.

Originally Posted by tardissun

Wasn't there a rumor a week or 2 ago that Milan had an agreement to purchase Federico Marchetti (GK) next year from Cagliari, keeping him where he is to get some more first team experience.

Yep. It made the rounds last week. It's a transaction I would very much like to see go through.

http://www.channel4.com/sport/footba...ia/jun17i.html

Originally Posted by brk

No no no, you see it isn't. It is a business. He bought the club to increase his public profile so he could enter politics. Now that he's at the top again, and doesn't care about his profile anymore, he doesn't feel the need to make a loss. He's running it as a business now because he owns it and wants it to be run profitably. It's not an NGO or a charity or whatever. The people don't own the club. Berlusconi does. Stop acting like he's burning your money or wasting it or whatever. If you want to be helpful and productive fans, support the team.

I would love nothing more than having Berlusconi sell the team. His cycle should have ended two years ago. But he still owns the team, and we really can't do anything about that. Live with it.

Berlusconi might be trying to run it as a business, and that is his freedom, but it is still undeniable that he is doing a terrible job at it. For any business in the world, the main focus is on the consumers. Thus the saying "the customer is always right." In a soccer club, the customer is the fans. And what did Berlusconi do to make the fans happy? Well, he signed crappy players; accused the fans of being insane; sold the best players on the team; gave out insane contract extensions and refused to admit to his mistakes. He is like the head of GM with Milan here.

If Berlusconi truly does think Milan should be run like a business, then he should make good decisions on signings, extensions, hiring decisions and most importantly, please the fans. A bad team only leads to less fans and thus less revenue and overall value for the team. So, if you ask me, Berlusconi isn't really trying to run Milan like a business but rather a hybrid, half business and half image machine. Except this hybrid consists the worst of both sides.

Originally Posted by tardissun

Galliani: Sorry, you're too young for Milan. Try back in a few years.

But then i can promise you a five year contract!

brk if football was a business it would be shut down years ago very few clubs make a real profit every year the liquidity of most clubs is awful most large European football clubs are geared up to 80% and most top clubs never actually reduce the debts that they owe. example Manchester United 5 years bought for 650 million pounds, the club is currently estimated to be in 700 million pounds in the red. the motives most of the time is to gain more recognition more prestige and to fill full a a fantasy. A football club is almost like a private members club it has no purpose other than the members enjoyment.

It is a business decision to make a profit by selling essential assets and not replacing them. what berlusconi going to do sell a player every year to make a profit? Berlusconi is burning the fans money the fans spending makes up 50% of milan income, if the fans are to continue financially supporting club i think it is reasonable that he doesn't sell players just to make a profit. In any case making a profit won't have any affect, Milan has been making a consistent 20 million euro loss each year for 9 years now. If i was a investor looking at buying a stake in Milan i would just the 9 years of losses and ignore the 1 profitable year.

I don't know how you think you could possibly make those assumptions. You don't have access to the books. You don't know what's really going on. There are many teams that are profitable, and many that aren't. It's not the transfer money that hurts the team the most, it's the wage bill. He got rid of Kaka for his wages not to pocket the transfer. I just hate it when people assume that they know how to run a business better than the self made richest man in Italy. Blame him for his interference, not his business decisions, because you don't know all the facts and never will.

It looks like the Aly Cissokho deal is back up. Just about every news channel has something about a meeting between Aly's agent, Galliani and Porto. Apparently we just had a 10M euro's offer accepted.

It also looks like the Dzeko deal is going in the sand. Haven't heard anything about it for a while, although I seem to remember that Dzeko is suposed to meet with Wolfsburg next week?

Apparently Inter signed Arnautovic, we had apparently been interested. He seems like an odd player though. But Inter are having their own problems, Maicon wants to leave, Zlatan wants to leave... It's not going well for Serie A at the moment

About Berlusconi, I agree it would be nice if he sold the club to the Dubai people, or that Italian Chokolade guy, and they invested all their money in the club. Still to anyone saying that Berlusconi is actually taking money OUT of Milan.... You gotta be out of your mind.

Originally Posted by Blacktop

My point exactly. Plus, it's doubtful Kalac will be going anywhere else either, so there's a double whammy right there.


Yep. It made the rounds last week. It's a transaction I would very much like to see go through.

http://www.channel4.com/sport/footba...ia/jun17i.html

I remember seeing our youth keeper Peruchinni I think, in one of the friendlies earlier this year. I hope I'm wrong, but he really didn't strike me as a keeper for Milan in the future. Dida and Kalac will most likely play the last year of their contracts at Milan, which I'm fine with, and then we're gonna need some replacements. Dida has been loyal to the club, and has been a proffesional, on his day he's world class, but I just wish he was a bit more consistent.

you right i don't have access to Milan accounts because they don't publish them so instead i use private report made by firms assessing teams like Milan. Companies like forbes and dolite have regular access to the books at Milan football and are allowed to use dumb down the figures. Dude i have a MA ins business studies i am private consultant to firms and paid to advise on human resource policies and people management. I used to run a entire level of the Emirate stadium i know what i am talking about. I don't assume i know better Berlusconi if i did i would able to buy Milan myself i just assume i know better than you. Beside i doubt Berlusconi has that influence over the club seeming his daughter earns finivest the holding company of Milan all Berlusconi does is sign off on transfer and use his son to enforce his policies. If Berlusconi and the management sell Kaka just to make a profit than a first year business studies knows better than them. More knowledgeable people running larger companies make more drastic mistakes no one in infallible everybody makes poor business decisions even Berlusconi. to quote richard banson ' After all by managerial decisions i would be happy if a third of business where star prospect a third of business break even and third of my business where basket case'

Brk- your posts are rational and I respect them. I do agree I used word "stole" wrongly and out of context. I will explaing it better later coz I dont have much time right now. I do hope though Milan fans will not buy season tickets if Milan does not invest properly. Even if Milan does not have Berlusconi's money, we should be able to invest some money without selling our players. We are after all one of the biggest clubs in the world with milions of fans, sponsors, tv rights etc.

We lost HUGE ammounts of money becouse of Galliani's incompetence and milion wrong signings that were cheep but also didnt work for Milan. Money was lost on wages, wrong players, no CL coz of few players and coach etc. I'll write more later...
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So Galliani got it cheeper and we'll sign Cissokho... Its a great news coz I have good feeling about his player. Galliani cheated his "friend" from Porto, but aguess in business its all ok. Good for me Im not a business-man so I dont have to live like that.

We can probably expect Dzeko affair next week. A player that also blackmails his club and wants to sign for Milan desperately. Galliani said it himself few days back: "First rule in market is that you cant keep a player that wants to leave..." (but you can sell one that doesnt!). All in all, 95% of the players and clubs are doing mercato's in ILEGAL way. Juve with D'Agotina, Milan with Dzeko, Real with C.Ronaldo, Maicon, Villa...

Galliani also mentioned we ARE interested in Mexes but he will not say anything. Im sure that only way for Milan to get MExes is to give Marek. Which is not possible untill Cissokho arrives.
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Any news on a non-eu rule?

Juve: Juve will most likely sign Grosso and Rossi. Lippi is working for them as always. If Inter sells Ibra Juve are no.1 favorites.

Originally Posted by johncharles365

It is a business decision to make a profit by selling essential assets and not replacing them. what berlusconi going to do sell a player every year to make a profit? Berlusconi is burning the fans money the fans spending makes up 50% of milan income, if the fans are to continue financially supporting club i think it is reasonable that he doesn't sell players just to make a profit. In any case making a profit won't have any affect, Milan has been making a consistent 20 million euro loss each year for 9 years now. If i was a investor looking at buying a stake in Milan i would just the 9 years of losses and ignore the 1 profitable year.

That is the plan. Next year its Pato, then Dzeko... As you said. Football clubs are not business, its clear to everyone who doesnt listen to Galliani lying to people. Barcelona is a business firm? Yeah, of Catalonia! Madrid had 1 bilion debt! Written off by Spanish guverment! United, Chelsea, L'pool, Inter, Juve (FIAT, holds half of Italy!)... these are not firms that work by the books.

The obligation of Berlusconi is to lead Milan if he wants. If he doesnt Milan fans must react and boycot him and THE SAN SIRO. Becouse to say we need to balance books is a joke in football worls. He didnt need balance books while he was buying half of Europe coz he felt like it. Now suddenly...? Football is not business, football "business" is a game from investment fonds and rich people.

Originally Posted by mrki

That is the plan. Next year its Pato, then Dzeko... As you said. Football clubs are not business, its clear to everyone who doesnt listen to Galliani lying to people. Barcelona is a business firm? Yeah, of Catalonia! Madrid had 1 bilion debt! Written off by Spanish guverment! United, Chelsea, L'pool, Inter, Juve (FIAT, holds half of Italy!)... these are not firms that work by the books.

The obligation of Berlusconi is to lead Milan if he wants. If he doesnt Milan fans must react and boycot him and THE SAN SIRO. Becouse to say we need to balance books is a joke in football worls. He didnt need balance books while he was buying half of Europe coz he felt like it. Now suddenly...? Football is not business, football "business" is a game from investment fonds and rich people.

You have to buy Dzeko before you can sell him!

http://www.sportmediaset.it/mercato/...olo24535.shtml
It's like we are after Malouda...
I dont like him at all!!

Originally Posted by kakacmilan best

http://www.sportmediaset.it/mercato/...olo24535.shtml
It's like we are after Malouda...
I dont like him at all!!

Malouda was linked with Milan some time ago, but I hadn't heard anything lately. He's got a ton of talent. He was playing poorly under Scolari, but he really played great after Hiddink took over. I wouldn't mind at all having the Malouda that played for Guus.

the most recent news...

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Berlusconi: Pirlo Could Leave AC Milan
The club patron has admitted that Italian international could be sold this summer...
21 Jun 2009 13:52:36


Milan are set to undergo massive changes under new coach Leonardo, already selling Kaka to Real Madrid. The next player thought to be leaving the San Siro is midfielder Andrea Pirlo.

"We will see what will happen. I was the first to say he should stay, but we must consider our [financial] accounts," club patron Silvio Berlusconi explained to Il Corriere dello Sport.

Indeed, Chelsea have been linked with the 30-year-old and Pirlo himself has admitted the possibility he could move to Stamford Bridge to rejoin former coach Carlo Ancelotti. Nonetheless, Berlusconi is confident that his team will remain competitive if they make changes.

"Milan is a great team. We could have won even this past year, but we played in the wrong manner. I was the first to say so, we conceded many goals in the last few minutes," he added.

Meanwhile, the Rossoneri supremo also has faith in Brazilian duo Ronaldinho and Pato for the upcoming campaign.

"[Ronaldinho] will have a big year," he continued. "[Pato] is great and will have an extraordinary career, I think he can even replace Pato in that sense."

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Financial problems????? Come on Berlu, wtf are you doin with our club!
We lost Kaka and now probably we will lose Pirlo too.
"Grazie presidente", thank you for solving the financial problems!!!

http://goal.com/en/news/10/italy/200...leave-ac-milan

Berlusconi: Pirlo Could Leave AC Milan
The club patron has admitted that Italian international could be sold this summer...
21 Jun 2009 13:52:36
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Milan are set to undergo massive changes under new coach Leonardo, already selling Kaka to Real Madrid. The next player thought to be leaving the San Siro is midfielder Andrea Pirlo.

"We will see what will happen. I was the first to say he should stay, but we must consider our [financial] accounts," club patron Silvio Berlusconi explained to Il Corriere dello Sport.

Indeed, Chelsea have been linked with the 30-year-old and Pirlo himself has admitted the possibility he could move to Stamford Bridge to rejoin former coach Carlo Ancelotti. Nonetheless, Berlusconi is confident that his team will remain competitive if they make changes.

"Milan is a great team. We could have won even this past year, but we played in the wrong manner. I was the first to say so, we conceded many goals in the last few minutes," he added.

Meanwhile, the Rossoneri supremo also has faith in Brazilian duo Ronaldinho and Pato for the upcoming campaign.

"[Ronaldinho] will have a big year," he continued. "[Pato] is great and will have an extraordinary career, I think he can even replace Pato in that sense."

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goal.com


This man is a chronic liar. I am starting to lose faith in football now. A few weeks ago, Pirlo was "untouchable." Seriously, why can't Berlusconi get lost? Why can't they convict this criminal finally?