Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by boring

Mertesacker has often been a liability but he's produced wonderful performances (though with great inconsistency) against top teams., I recall he owned Rooney and Owen in their friendly at Wembley a couple of years back.

Maybe you're right.. he's good but not good enough for Milan.

We could argue the same about Kaladze can't we? He was first rate against Man Utd back in 2007 at the San Siro, but the fact remains would you trust him in our first team right now?

One of the key factors to be a successful defender is to be consistent at your job. You don't have to be the greatest talent ever, but you must perform at a consistent level to be successful.

Originally Posted by prle

This is not true!
They are still negotiating!
nothing is done yet!

Well, I've heard the news and hope it's true.

Originally Posted by brk

I'm still expecting Dzeko and Aly to sign for us.

Then again, I never believed Kaka would leave, so what do I know...

lol, exactly the same as me.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

The thing is that the longer this Dzeko or Cissohko or whoever deals takes to sign, the more fans will be thrill when they finally arrive. And yet, fans will be blind by the fact that both of these players, though talented as they are, are both one season wonder sofar in their career.

Not saying they won't do well in Milan or they are not good players, but do they deserve to have us fans talk and talk and talk and talk and hope and hope and hope about them signing with Milan? They are really not the Messi, CR7, Essien, Benzema, Villa, Torres, Vidic or even G. Rossi or Givinco at this moment. Yes, they do have potential blah blah blah blah, but I am pretty sure players like them(High potential players) come and go every year. Last year it was Dos Santos of Barcelona and some of us here actually wonders how come MIlan did not make a pitch for him after he was sold to Spurs for 8M or so. The year before that was Gomez. This year Dzeko and Cissohko, who knows maybe next year will be X and Y and also Z.

What I am trying to say is that, don't expect too much from the MGT and don't get too excited about 1 or 2 or 3 new signings, as to me thats the bare minimum the MGT needs to do to actually compete in Series A and Europe.

Truth is, I've been thinking we should look for a more modest transfer campaign for a while where we get players of potential to come and play a big part for the future. Fact is, as many say we can't compete anymore for superstars, and really if we're going to rebuild we should really rebuild the team as a unit. So getting the players you mention here would please me a great deal.

The other argument is, we have to remember that a lot of good players in our side were originally brought in as players with high potential with few guarantees. Kaka, Pato, Pirlo and Rino are some examples. The hope is really to try and build a side with signings like these that would effectively gain world recognition, similar to Kaka's rise in football.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Vargas according to Channel4 is up for sale for 12Mil.
To me thats a better deal than Cissohko for 15mil. On top of that Vargas has Series A exp.

It's a shame for Fiorentina if Vargas does leave and it would surprise me. He started off badly but improved a lot over the season last year and I thought he'd make a big impression in the coming season.

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

Even if it shows a turning point in the management's thinking, you guys are missing the bigger picture.

Italian football as a product is not marketable. Big players will not want to come to Italy in the future because of the lack of money, corruption and violence. Milan are not going to be big players in football for a long time, and things will only change if Italian clubs start to market themselves better. But again, that will take alot of time.

We are being bullied on the transfer market. Chelsea are tirelessly pursuing Pato, and that indicates something. They know that Milan cannot attract players the way they can.

We have to come to terms with the fact that Milan as a club will no longer be a big player in Europe. The sooner the better. Also, we have to understand that Berlusconi does not want to spend money on this club. Things will (hopefully) get better, but that could take up to 10 years.

This is the realistic outlook. Next week Real Madrid will parade Kaka'. The Spanish league is abuzz with excitement. The Premier League will keep snapping up big players also. Italy, on the other hand, will be a distant third or fourth, depending on how well the Bundesliga does.
I am not being unduly alarmist. Look at the coefficient rankings: http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...crank2010.html

Finally, Milan is an Italian team, but I rather it be owned by Arabs than by an unscrupulous lowlife like Berlusconi.

Whilst I'm not as pessimistic as you I do agree with you. Right now Italian football is simply not marketable and Italian clubs aren't doing enough to compete with the other leagues. I would like to hope clubs like Juve and Fiorentina are making changes in the Italian game, moving forward to modernize Italian football as a product, but it's taking a long time. Milan, who have historically evolved the football product, don't seem to be making the same strides. We hear Galliani harping on about the state of affairs and he repeatedly compares Italian football with the Spanish or English products, clearly showing he knows the problems, yet few strides are made by us as a club to change things. Instead, the closest we've come to making Milan marketable is buying players of high marketable value over the past few years, with relative success (I would think) in the business perspective, but with no success in the footballing perspective.

This whole Pato affair is leaving me rather concerned, not so much that I think he'll leave, but with the way things are going Italian football will simply be unable to hang onto players of his calibre these days. Essentially, the country would end up like the dutch league, where talent often sprouts but then swiftly moves away for more success.

Calciopoli effectively ruined Italian football as a product, and it's since then we see Italian football increasingly going downhill. First and foremost, Italian football MUST change it's image. Holliganism, violence, old fashioned facilities and the reputation for dull football must be changed. This would essentially be changing Italian football as a product, modernizing it so that it is a more appealing product to the modern consumer.

The other area the Italian game MUST change is it's ability to compete as a footballing nation. A few years ago the Italian game was regularly competing at the top levels in Europe, and so this kept the Italian product relatively competitive as the quality of the football couldn't be denied. These days, especially in Europe, the Italian game isn't competing and this has resulted in a less appealing product, as Italy as a footballing nation will be perceived to be weaker. Italian clubs can't get all the stars, so they must make their own stars with potentially great signings and youth systems. If they compete at a footballing level, then as a product Italian football can progress.

O and one more thing,i agree with the contract extension of Favallinho,truth is that after Maldini he was our most solid CB,he did great and proved many of you wrong i remember.So i think he deserved it and if he is only our fifth backup IMO,what if we get a huge injury disaster in defence next year?Then we will be happy to have a decent and experienced CB in Favalli for Serie A.

Stupid damn management,we could have already made two quality additions to our team for free if they just would have been interested in Milan and cared...we could have already snapped up Eboue for RB and Lugano from Fener for the CB position(as backup for Silva and Nesta)for nothing......but it seems Berlu and CO are more interested in young girls with only underpants on than Milan...to bad.

BAD NEWS: DZEKO HAS OFFICIALLY RENEWED HIS CONTRACT WITH WOLFSBURG,ITS OVER.

The new target is Adebayor,it seems everyday it keeps getting worser....

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

We could argue the same about Kaladze can't we? He was first rate against Man Utd back in 2007 at the San Siro, but the fact remains would you trust him in our first team right now?

One of the key factors to be a successful defender is to be consistent at your job. You don't have to be the greatest talent ever, but you must perform at a consistent level to be successful.

Could not agree with you more about defenders. Is funny how us fans know about it but yet, guys like Kala and Senderous always play once they are healthy.

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Truth is, I've been thinking we should look for a more modest transfer campaign for a while where we get players of potential to come and play a big part for the future. Fact is, as many say we can't compete anymore for superstars, and really if we're going to rebuild we should really rebuild the team as a unit. So getting the players you mention here would please me a great deal.

The other argument is, we have to remember that a lot of good players in our side were originally brought in as players with high potential with few guarantees. Kaka, Pato, Pirlo and Rino are some examples. The hope is really to try and build a side with signings like these that would effectively gain world recognition, similar to Kaka's rise in football.

Rino was bought as a squad player and no more, the MGT got him b/c he was cheap and seems useful, and not for developing him into the RIno today.
While I do agree with the others, but they all showed great potentials, at least more than wht Dzeko and Cissohko had shown.

NOw I am not against them coming, but like I said, they should be treat as bare minimum, esp since Milan sold Kaka and Gourcuff, and we as fans should not be over the hill of joy for those signings.

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Whilst I'm not as pessimistic as you I do agree with you. Right now Italian football is simply not marketable and Italian clubs aren't doing enough to compete with the other leagues. I would like to hope clubs like Juve and Fiorentina are making changes in the Italian game, moving forward to modernize Italian football as a product, but it's taking a long time. Milan, who have historically evolved the football product, don't seem to be making the same strides. We hear Galliani harping on about the state of affairs and he repeatedly compares Italian football with the Spanish or English products, clearly showing he knows the problems, yet few strides are made by us as a club to change things. Instead, the closest we've come to making Milan marketable is buying players of high marketable value over the past few years, with relative success (I would think) in the business perspective, but with no success in the footballing perspective.

This whole Pato affair is leaving me rather concerned, not so much that I think he'll leave, but with the way things are going Italian football will simply be unable to hang onto players of his calibre these days. Essentially, the country would end up like the dutch league, where talent often sprouts but then swiftly moves away for more success.

Calciopoli effectively ruined Italian football as a product, and it's since then we see Italian football increasingly going downhill. First and foremost, Italian football MUST change it's image. Holliganism, violence, old fashioned facilities and the reputation for dull football must be changed. This would essentially be changing Italian football as a product, modernizing it so that it is a more appealing product to the modern consumer.

The other area the Italian game MUST change is it's ability to compete as a footballing nation. A few years ago the Italian game was regularly competing at the top levels in Europe, and so this kept the Italian product relatively competitive as the quality of the football couldn't be denied. These days, especially in Europe, the Italian game isn't competing and this has resulted in a less appealing product, as Italy as a footballing nation will be perceived to be weaker. Italian clubs can't get all the stars, so they must make their own stars with potentially great signings and youth systems. If they compete at a footballing level, then as a product Italian football can progress.

Well, another point alot of us here fail to mention is the fact that a lot of clubs in Italy needs new owners who is willing to spend. Thats something that Series A does not have.

Originally Posted by Dutchie-Milan

Stupid damn management,we could have already made two quality additions to our team for free if they just would have been interested in Milan and cared...we could have already snapped up Eboue for RB and Lugano from Fener for the CB position(as backup for Silva and Nesta)for nothing......but it seems Berlu and CO are more interested in young girls with only underpants on than Milan...to bad.

Well, can you blame them, b/c if I have to choose between hot young model girls with only underpants and the current Milan team. I know for 100% I will choose hot young model girls with only underpants anyday.

What makes me wonder is that, how come Berlu and Galli do not use those parties as a recruiting tool for players. I am pretty they will come for free, or maybe they have been doing that, or guys like Dzeko, Cissohko, G. Rossi and others would not say, I would love to play for Milan.

Originally Posted by Dutchie-Milan

but it seems Berlu and CO are more interested in young girls with only underpants on than Milan...

To be honest, so am I!

Originally Posted by Dutchie-Milan

BAD NEWS: DZEKO HAS OFFICIALLY RENEWED HIS CONTRACT WITH WOLFSBURG,ITS OVER.

So it looks like he was using Milan just to get a better contract from Wolfsburg.

Never mind, just a one hit wonder anyway...Adebayor is a better player overall.

Dont want a Arab at Milan even though i love to see Berlu being kicked out.

There is only one reason i dont want a big hotshot being the boss of Milan:the guy will spend alloooooooooooooooooooooooooot of money on Milan meaning that players who gave their all will be pushed out of the picture(Rino,Pippo,Nesta,Ambro etc.)Our team will change every mercato,topplayers will be signed and after a year they will leave or they will rot on the bench(look at Chelsea...)I dont want our team to change each summer drastically,and that will happen if a rich guy will take over at Milan.People like Abate who deserve a change will only be able to dream of the bench.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Well, can you blame them, b/c if I have to choose between hot young model girls with only underpants and the current Milan team. I know for 100% I will choose hot young model girls with only underpants anyday.

What makes me wonder is that, how come Berlu and Galli do not use those parties as a recruiting tool for players. I am pretty they will come for free, or maybe they have been doing that, or guys like Dzeko, Cissohko, G. Rossi and others would not say, I would love to play for Milan.

Good point,i woundered ho so many good players liked a old down to the hill team like Milan,but no i am getting it!!

Originally Posted by El Fre

To be honest, so am I!



So it looks like he was using Milan just to get a better contract from Wolfsburg.

Never mind, just a one hit wonder anyway...Adebayor is a better player overall.

Adebayor is crap,needs like 1000000 chances to score one goal....and he cant compete with any good CB like for example Ferdinand or Vidic,he can only score against the smaller teams,but who will do the job in C.League?Ade is good for Serie A not in Europe....

I don't think that's true.

And he's still young, while experienced. Unlike Dzeko, who is a total mystery.

Originally Posted by Dutchie-Milan

Dont want a Arab at Milan even though i love to see Berlu being kicked out.

There is only one reason i dont want a big hotshot being the boss of Milan:the guy will spend alloooooooooooooooooooooooooot of money on Milan meaning that players who gave their all will be pushed out of the picture(Rino,Pippo,Nesta,Ambro etc.)Our team will change every mercato,topplayers will be signed and after a year they will leave or they will rot on the bench(look at Chelsea...)I dont want our team to change each summer drastically,and that will happen if a rich guy will take over at Milan.People like Abate who deserve a change will only be able to dream of the bench.

That's a very bad sterotype. If a player is good enough, they will play period.
Yes, with one of those Arab owner, Milan might end up with a strike force of Drogba, Pato, Villa and Pippo. If Pippo is performing well, he will start over the other three or vice versa. If you are on the bench, it only means you are not good enough to play in the starting 11. I would rather see that than to have someone who really should not be on the team playing all the time.

If Ade costs 35mil and Villa is at 40 and Benzema is at 45. The money should be spend on Benzema period.

We WILL Sign Huntelaar, he is cheaper than Ade.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

That's a very bad sterotype. If a player is good enough, they will play period.
Yes, with one of those Arab owner, Milan might end up with a strike force of Drogba, Pato, Villa and Pippo. If Pippo is performing well, he will start over the other three or vice versa. If you are on the bench, it only means you are not good enough to play in the starting 11. I would rather see that than to have someone who really should not be on the team playing all the time.

Hhahahaaha we would have a strike force with ONLY drogba and Villa,dont make me laugh,we will have Benzema,Villa,Aguero etc. etc.Players like Borriello and Pippo will not get a chance,they will be sold IMO and you know it,do you really think a Arab who buys all new players will keep players like Nesta and Rhino,they will be sold immediately without them getting a chance.