Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

One reason why we should sign him is because he is a great fighter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9Figkmz3Rs



Honestly, I haven't seen worse coordination in a fight. Embarrassing.

Haha, I remember seeing that game live. That was some pathetic swinging by Fabiano. Looked like he thought he was swimming.

Basileiro, Luis might have been crazy when he was young, but I'm sure he got his ass whoped quite a few times with embarassing fighting skills like those.

Originally Posted by Siregar

This is Luis Fabiano's stats with Sevilla :

Season-----Games----Goals
2005/2006----23------5----
2006/2007----26------10---
2007/2008----30------24---
2008/2009----26------ 8----

It's not impressive IMO. But for 13 mil pounds it seems OK. If I can choose, I pick Dzeko.

Siregar, only in his 3rd season he was a fully starter. With Juande he played only the first or second-half. In several game in 05/06 and 06/07 he played only one half of the game.

Don´t get me wrong, this isn´t a knock at you, but as I said, very few watched most of Sevilla games. In Fabiano case these stats are misleading. To be fair, you could have writed Fabiano´s São Paulo and Brazil NT goal average to make a point...they are trully impressive.

Also, 2008/09 he was injured a lot, and play several of this 26 games coming of the bench...

I really want to see Dzeko next season. Bundesliga today is a very offensive oriented league, and isn´t that hard to score like in the past.

Imo, 13 pounds for the starter of Brazil NT, goal scorer in South America Quali, estabilished player is a embarassing offer.

Originally Posted by nefremo

Haha, I remember seeing that game live. That was some pathetic swinging by Fabiano. Looked like he thought he was swimming.

Basileiro, Luis might have been crazy when he was young, but I'm sure he got his ass whoped quite a few times with embarassing fighting skills like those.

HAhaha...nah, he ws always better as a football player
Can´t remember his ass being whoped, even with that fight skills...also, Diogo isn´t a Mike Tyson also...

Btw, despite the fact Sevilla rejected 14M bid, EFE ag. is saying that Sevilla directors confirmed that they are open to negotiate Luis Fabiano for less than his buy out(30M).

So, since Galliani always shows patience in negotiations(for the good and bad), we will need also patience to know the final of this purchase.

15-16 mil euros as first bid for a player who only scored many goals in one season in La Liga is not an embrassing offer IMO. He is not La Liga Top Scorer or even in top 10. Maximum price for him around 20-22 mil euros IMO.

Fabiano looks like Oliviera mk II, enough with this Brazilian obcession... I would rather have a chance on Huntelaar..

AC Milan Have Made An Official Offer For Luis Fabiano - Agent
Luis Fabiano's agent revealed that Milan want to sign the Sevilla striker, who would consider a move to the Rossoneri the crowning moment of his career.
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There seems to be little doubt that AC Milan's primary transfer target is Sevilla striker Luis Fabiano. This was confirmed today by the player's agent Jose Fuentes, who admitted the Rossoneri have made an offer for the Confederations Cup top scorer.

"I confirm that Milan have made an official offer," he said to Sky Sport 24, "and the player has officially communicated that he wants to go to Milan, this is his desire, because this transfer would be the crowning moment of his career."

The player's price is €30 million, but Fuentes think this figure could be adjusted.

"The buyout clause is of €30 million, but in Sevilla there are intelligent people, and they know the player's desire counts for a lot," he continued, "and that we are going through a difficult economic time.

"The situation is clear, we're waiting and hoping the clubs will negotiate and come to an agreement, this is our desire and we believe everything could be resolved shortly."


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Originally Posted by Graeme C

Fabiano looks like Oliviera mk II, enough with this Brazilian obcession... I would rather have a chance on Huntelaar..

Yep, any Brazilian from a middle club will be the new Oliveira, right?? Ok, fair enough...What a way to bring subject to a discussion. Are you still sure Bonera and Ferrari are the solution for our defense? I still remember your judgments...

Enough with Brazilian obcession? We will only have Pato, Tiago and Ronaldinho in the near future, this is to much? Whats your problem with Brazilians?

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

Yep, any Brazilian from a middle club will be the new Oliveira, right?? Ok, fair enough...What a way to bring subject to a discussion. Are you still sure Bonera and Ferrari are the solution for our defense? I still remember your judgments...

Enough with Brazilian obcession? We will only have Pato, Tiago and Ronaldinho in the near future, this is to much? Whats your problem with Brazilians?

That is just my gut feeling, I always loved to be proved wrong..

Bonera and Ferrari are only good as squad players, Bonera had the potential to be our num 1 with Nesta but has never delivered. I mean the Brazilian obcession as weve had a string of signing brazilian forwards, theres nothing wrong with Brazilians.. I just wish we would look closer to home first of all. Espically if this 6+5 ruling is going to happen.

Originally Posted by Siregar

15-16 mil euros as first bid for a player who only scored many goals in one season in La Liga is not an embrassing offer IMO. He is not La Liga Top Scorer or even in top 10. Maximum price for him around 20-22 mil euros IMO.

Last year(first years as a full starter) he was until the last 2 legs. This year(as I said and you´re ignoring me) he was injured almost the entire season, and even starting was being sub off in several games. You´re not being fair...

Why his stats in Champions didn´t count? 10 games and 7 goals in Champions aren´t that bad, Siregar...

What Fabiano isn´t, is a griffe, but has show much more than the names we are linked...

As long as Huntelaar doesn't pick up any injuries he would be a fantastic promising addition to Milan. Fabiano is no Olivera/Ronaldo he is a proven international striker even the exploits of pato love and amuari can't force him off his throne as Brazil number 1 striker. I personally would have prefer Fred to Fabiano if we are going to get a Brazilian striker. Huntelaar major plus point is that he could offer something different that the various Italians or Brazilians strikers offered Milan. plane uncomplicated football could be the medicine to all of Milan problem rather than the technical brilliance of the Brazilians or the tactical mastery of the Italians

Originally Posted by Graeme C

That is just my gut feeling, I always loved to be proved wrong..

Bonera and Ferrari are only good as squad players, Bonera had the potential to be our num 1 with Nesta but has never delivered. I mean the Brazilian obcession as weve had a string of signing brazilian forwards, theres nothing wrong with Brazilians.. I just wish we would look closer to home first of all. Espically if this 6+5 ruling is going to happen.

And you will be one more time

As I said to you(and others) at that time, Bonera and Ferrari were(and will be) squad players, but you didn´t agree saying they had potential to be first team players.

C´mom, Greame...we only signed Pato as a real purchase. Oliveira and Amororso were rushed(and January) signs...and Ronaldo was ronaldo.

The others no rushed purchases were Gilla(Italian and flop) and Borriello(Italian, jury still out, but floped a little). After Pato, Luis Fabiano is the first brazilian we are really after in a normal purchase...

Galliani and Silvio can be judged for a lot of things, but not for only look for Brazilians. Also, they try to bring Luca Toni. It´s not fair to say they only look for Brazilians...

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

Luca03, I will give you my opinion.

The first time I saw L.Fabiano playing, he was still a Ponte Preta(middle team from the state of São Paulo) player, so even if people can´t rate him as high as I do, at least I saw him playing a lot.

First of all, there´s something in Luis Fabiano that a don´t understand. He broke all the goal records playing for São Paulo, a team with a wealth history of amazing offensive players. Even with that, average Brazilian forwards had received more hype than him when it came to be wanted out by European teams and fans. Very strange imo...

Inside of Brazil I understood this, because L. Fabiano was hated by the rivals fans. Because of his old temper(on the field) and capacity to score a lot and in all big games, if you wasn´t a São Paulo fan(to be clear, I´m not) there´s a good chance you would hate Luis Fabiano.

Luis Fabiano had a big problem in the past: his temper. I remember several games where Luis scored 2 or 3 goals, and after that, with the game decided, he received a red(or a second yellow) card to falling in some provocation from rivals. That alone hurt a lot L. Fabiano name for future tranfers.

But one big misunderstood was that people often confused his temper(on the field) with a possibity of to by a cancer for the locker room. Fabiano is a great professional and teammate, but without a doubt, the fear of a possible new Edmundo hurt Luis Fabiano stock.

His temper problem are in the past, period. But if you want the best of him, you need a coach that trully give this guy confidence. So, if he isn´t a Leonardo choice, it´s better to forget. He can cope with all the pressure of the world(as you can see in Brazil NT), but he´s the type of player that need a coach on his side for that. Manolo Jimenez bet for him, and he delivered. Dunga bet for him, and he saved Dunga job 3 times. Jaunde Ramos didn´t like him and had a inconstant player. Even with that, in all big games(as in UEFA CUP finals)Juande started Luis Fabiano and he scored in the first.

I´m reading several editorials in European press saying that Luis Fabiano isn´t the typical Brazilian CF, and thats alone shows that these guy never really watched Fabiano to play in a regular bases. Luis isn´t only strong, he´s very VERY skilled. Just youtube his goal clips and you will see amazing goals, that only a very skilled forward can do. Another thing he aded to his game since became a Sevilla player, was the skill to bring to the ground long balls. He didn´t have it in his arsenal, but playing for Juande makes Fabiano develope this type of game, so he could also play in that old English way of play(hope you understand my point).

Now it´s easy to be on the side of Luis Fabiano here in Brazil, but in the past, I and others 20%(generaly São paulo fans), were mocked in brazilian forums because we said that a in form Luis Fabiano is better than a in form Adriano. I always stick with this, and the numbers don´t lie, Luis score more, and also bring more to the table. He can make one-two´s(Adriano really can´t), and can also play as a support striker because of his skill set. Adriano while in form is a freak, didn´t have half of Luis Fabiano skill set. Luis Fabiano is a Center Forward with skills of a support striker(seconda punta).

Wow, I wrote a lot, sorry Luca03...but it´s my opinion, Luis is one of the most underrated Brazilian of his generation(if not the most). Old members maybe can remember that in the past, Kaka also try hard to bring Luis Fabiano to Milan, but for some reason(maybe the non-EU status) our board opted for others players.

Also, just for curiosity, Luis fabiano was the pivot of the brawl between Sandro Rossell and Juan Laporta in Barcelona. Rossel wanted Ronaldinho and Luis Fabiano but Laporta blocked Fabiano purchase(Opting to bring Maxi Lopes from River Plate and now in Grêmio), and that started the famous fight in Barça board culminating with Rossell quiting the vice-president position.

Regarding his age(28), it would be great if Fabiano was 23 years old, but we can´t also only to buy unproven players. Also, as Luis is a hard worker and take care of his body(besides to play as CF), I can see Fabiano playing at a high level until at least 33 years old...
EDIT:Some goals...
This top-15 is lame, but at least has some amazing goals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nt0dkQpJRE
Some footage from São Paulo and Sevilla:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBgxb...eature=related

Thanks Alot.

Great Post!

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

One reason why we should sign him is because he is a great fighter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9Figkmz3Rs



Honestly, I haven't seen worse coordination in a fight. Embarrassing.

honestly I love seeing that clip everytime. It's probably the worst fight I've ever seen. Diogo's surprise right wasn't a clean connection, and then they don't even get close to a decent hit when they each went for about 7 flails (let's face it, they aren't really punches). The poor guy who went first to break up the fight (Adriano I think) was probably the only person to have got something close to a clean hit in the face lol.

Brasileiro,

How exactly did Boriello flop even a little? IMO he can be a great solid striker that can do a lot. As a matter of fact, my opinion is that he is similar in many ways to Luis Fabiano. He can score from scraps in the box.....he is a strong header of the ball......has a very strong shot that he uses well......and can hold the ball outside of the box bringing other players in attack. Fabiano has more technique when it comes to playing 1-2s outside of the box and including himself in open play like you said......but nonetheless Boriello and Luis F. can be very similar players.

As far as my memories serve me, he played great in the few games he had this season and last season finally fulfilled his long expected potential at Genoa. Before that, his personal life choices threw his career way off track. But, I am not going there.....the only thing I want to bring up is that you said he flopped a little for us after we brought him back(the way I understood that sentence). It's not fair to Boriello to make a claim like that......just like how you say it's not fair to Fabiano to be judged on statistics when in fact he was tripped by injuries more then once causing him to make many substitute appearances.

This is not the first time I read people saying that Boriello failed, or flopped, or flopped a little (even though I do read that you mentioned 'jury still out', I guess meaning that you are willing to give him I chance??).......simply because IMO he played great for us in the beggining of the season. He didn't score many goals, but if you watched the games you'll know that his contribution was far more then that during those games.

I just think the guy deserves another chance. It's unfortunate that he got injured this season and now he is kind of like the forgotten man.