Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

Siregar, only in his 3rd season he was a fully starter. With Juande he played only the first or second-half. In several game in 05/06 and 06/07 he played only one half of the game.

Don´t get me wrong, this isn´t a knock at you, but as I said, very few watched most of Sevilla games. In Fabiano case these stats are misleading. To be fair, you could have writed Fabiano´s São Paulo and Brazil NT goal average to make a point...they are trully impressive.

Also, 2008/09 he was injured a lot, and play several of this 26 games coming of the bench...

I really want to see Dzeko next season. Bundesliga today is a very offensive oriented league, and isn´t that hard to score like in the past.

Imo, 13 pounds for the starter of Brazil NT, goal scorer in South America Quali, estabilished player is a embarassing offer.

I was just looking at his stats yesterday and they are, indeed, impressive the past two season. There are two gaps of about a month in his game log from last season, so I assumed he was injured during those periods. He started only 21 games, so 8 goals isn't that bad. But he also scored 7 goals in just 5 Copa del Rey games and 2 more in 4 UEFA Cup games. Fans are too prone to assume a player sucks if he didn't do something spectacular in his most recent season, but they don't bother to look into the reasons. But anyone who remembers him in the Champions League two years ago (7 goals in 8 games) should have an idea what a fine player he really is. And when you look at his stats this way (including Copa del Rey and UEFA Cup this past season and CL the season before), it doesn't look bad at all:

2007-08
36 GS 4 sub 31 goals

2008-09
30 GS 6 sub 17 goals

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

Siregar, only in his 3rd season he was a fully starter. With Juande he played only the first or second-half. In several game in 05/06 and 06/07 he played only one half of the game.

Don´t get me wrong, this isn´t a knock at you, but as I said, very few watched most of Sevilla games. In Fabiano case these stats are misleading. To be fair, you could have writed Fabiano´s São Paulo and Brazil NT goal average to make a point...they are trully impressive.

Also, 2008/09 he was injured a lot, and play several of this 26 games coming of the bench...

I really want to see Dzeko next season. Bundesliga today is a very offensive oriented league, and isn´t that hard to score like in the past.

Imo, 13 pounds for the starter of Brazil NT, goal scorer in South America Quali, estabilished player is a embarassing offer.

back in the days in brasil. before kaka joined milan. Robinho and luis fabino were expected to be the future of the brasilian national team along side ronaldinho. luis fabino was never a one game or season wonder. he was a very good striker. and watching the way he scores. it shows that this guy scores great and lucky goals but he never comes empty. thats what we need. dzeko, hunteelar, drogba ..... etc but we need a striker who can always score.

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

Last year(first years as a full starter) he was until the last 2 legs. This year(as I said and you´re ignoring me) he was injured almost the entire season, and even starting was being sub off in several games. You´re not being fair...

Why his stats in Champions didn´t count? 10 games and 7 goals in Champions aren´t that bad, Siregar...

What Fabiano isn´t, is a griffe, but has show much more than the names we are linked...

With all what he has done this year, 20 mi pounds is maximum pair price in my opinion. If Milan want to buy him last season than it is true that he is more expensive. Just like Kaka, if we sell him in his top form, we would have got more money from Real.

If all these reports are true, it looks like Milan is making a serious effort to get either Fabiano or Huntelaar...

After having an initial bid for Sevilla striker Luis Fabiano rejected, Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani will fly to the Spanish capital and ask Real Madrid for Klaas-Jan Huntelaar, according to tuttomercatoweb.

I honestly wouldn't mind Fabiano or Ade. I don't know if Klaas would suit us as much as they would, but if all fails I wouldn't mind him either. Then again, maybe all the recent disappointments have really lowered my expectations...

I still want Cissokho more than anyone. There's just something about him...

It seems atleast that Sevilla are going to be more reasonable for their man, If Luis wants to go, they will let him leave, for a price far below his buy-out clause. 14 million for Fabiano? If i was Sevilla, i would find such an offer insulting!

But i feel it is just the start from Milan, to show that they are serious. If we offer roughly the same we wanted for Dzeko, then he is ours for sure. The problem is, would he be worth the same as our top bid for the Bosnian? Remeber, Dzeko is far younger....

Then again, I am sure there would be other viable options ahead of Huntelaar. Even Adebayor fits the bill as an aerial CF, better than Hunter does.

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

Last year(first years as a full starter) he was until the last 2 legs. This year(as I said and you´re ignoring me) he was injured almost the entire season, and even starting was being sub off in several games. You´re not being fair...

Why his stats in Champions didn´t count? 10 games and 7 goals in Champions aren´t that bad, Siregar...

What Fabiano isn´t, is a griffe, but has show much more than the names we are linked...

Injured all season? Judging on his Confed. Cup performances, he has fully recovered, i hope....
I guess last season's performance compared to this season's shows that he still has the ability to score. And his CHampions League scoring record, where he has been given a fair chance, shows he is a prolific scorer.

Around 20 million should be enough for Sevilla to seriously consider. 14 million? It is just for Milan to show that they are serious, or atleast I hope that is not Galliani's final offer!

Bid reasonably for Huntelaar, and he is ours for sure. there is no question as to whether we can't get him. It depends on how much of a favor Perez is going to pay us.... Does he owe Manchester United something as well? Don't think that Owen is a good enough replacement for Tevez and Ronaldo! They will go for someone else, whether that be Hunter or not. We should stay wary and have a reasonable offer in line.

Madrid have too many attacking talents, and don't forget Higuan and Raul who will be quite frankly struggling for a game next season. Even a loan deal would be easy to arrange.... Question is: Would he fit Milan? How would he function with Pato/Dihno? Would we mind missing out on some much needed aerial ability?


For me, Hunter still remains thrid choice, due to Fabiano's experience with Pato and Dihno, and his lack of aerial ability. Thoughts?

Klas has always had good stats in Holland, not proven in the big leeague yet. Still I would take a loan to buy deal. For Huntelaar to be effective he need very very good support and service.

These are his states


2002–2003 PSV 01 0(0)
2003 → De Graafschap (loan) 09 0(0)
2003–2004 → AGOVV (loan) 35 (26)
2004–2005 Heerenveen 46 (33)
2005–2009 Ajax 92 (76)
2009– Real Madrid 20 0(8)

Originally Posted by Bosniaco

Klas has always had good stats in Holland, not proven in the big leeague yet. Still I would take a loan to buy deal. For Huntelaar to be effective he need very very good support and service.

These are his states


2002–2003 PSV 01 0(0)
2003 → De Graafschap (loan) 09 0(0)
2003–2004 → AGOVV (loan) 35 (26)
2004–2005 Heerenveen 46 (33)
2005–2009 Ajax 92 (76)
2009– Real Madrid 20 0(8)

Hunter got limited chances at Madrid, atleast as a starter. I know the Dutch league is physcially tough like the EPL, but is it free-scoring or defensive? That could indicate how he would cope in Serie A.

Originally Posted by nefremo

Brasileiro,

How exactly did Boriello flop even a little? IMO he can be a great solid striker that can do a lot. As a matter of fact, my opinion is that he is similar in many ways to Luis Fabiano. He can score from scraps in the box.....he is a strong header of the ball......has a very strong shot that he uses well......and can hold the ball outside of the box bringing other players in attack. Fabiano has more technique when it comes to playing 1-2s outside of the box and including himself in open play like you said......but nonetheless Boriello and Luis F. can be very similar players.

As far as my memories serve me, he played great in the few games he had this season and last season finally fulfilled his long expected potential at Genoa. Before that, his personal life choices threw his career way off track. But, I am not going there.....the only thing I want to bring up is that you said he flopped a little for us after we brought him back(the way I understood that sentence). It's not fair to Boriello to make a claim like that......just like how you say it's not fair to Fabiano to be judged on statistics when in fact he was tripped by injuries more then once causing him to make many substitute appearances.

This is not the first time I read people saying that Boriello failed, or flopped, or flopped a little (even though I do read that you mentioned 'jury still out', I guess meaning that you are willing to give him I chance??).......simply because IMO he played great for us in the beggining of the season. He didn't score many goals, but if you watched the games you'll know that his contribution was far more then that during those games.

I just think the guy deserves another chance. It's unfortunate that he got injured this season and now he is kind of like the forgotten man.

Great post, nefremo...

First of all, just to be straight, and as you saw, I don´t put Borrielo and Gilla on the same boat...Borriello had some strong games for us, no doubt...but on the other side, imo, he frustated me with his finish skills last season.

Thats is my reason to say that the "jury is still out"...Borriello was missing goals that I didn´t saw him to lose in Genova.

That said, it will be a huge mistake(and a crime) to not give him another chance. The guy had a serious injure, and that alone would be worth of another chance. But I want him to earn his spot, and I hope even with Fabiano there, he stay and compete.

All this talk about forwards apart, I´m still more concerned about our defense than anything. We can´t put our hope on Nesta health, and Tiago Silva besides the talent, need to show he can be the same in Europe.

after seeing fabiano goal in youtube
i got 1 comment
its like another sheva

I am just going to throw this out there and it is going to sound so crazy.

Why cannot we get both Fabiano and Huntelaar? Shock! Horror! We don't do that sort of thing, right.

Honestly, Pippo is injured quite a bit, so having a strikeforce of Pato, Fabiano, Huntelaar, Borriello, and Inzaghi makes sense. Huntelaar could come on loan.

So Sir Alex gets Owen on a free...after selling one of the world´s biggest stars, for a world record fee....

Wonder how much Milan fans are laughing at that transfer?

Wonder how many Milan fans would have been frothing at the mouth had we done a similar transaction, and not gotten the Hunter?

Wonder if the Man U fans are in an uproar?

Hmmmmm.....maybe if Galliani had signed him there would be protests in the streets, and people throwing themselves to the floor?

Ahh..silly season..gotta love it! Some people will get drunk and pub it! Some will take a prickly cactus and hug it! Some will go the Calgon route and tub it! Yet still others will get unruly and thug it!

Me, Im going back to sleep. Wake me when we sign someo..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

I am just going to throw this out there and it is going to sound so crazy.

Why cannot we get both Fabiano and Huntelaar? Shock! Horror! We don't do that sort of thing, right.

Honestly, Pippo is injured quite a bit, so having a strikeforce of Pato, Fabiano, Huntelaar, Borriello, and Inzaghi makes sense. Huntelaar could come on loan.

But we need to balance the books...