Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by ZvonimirBoban

Good point, the neighbor's lawn will always be greener for most of the fans here.

The thing is, if Owen is sign.
Milan will have Borreillo, Pippo, Pato and Owen.
Owen is just an older version of Pato, and Borreillo(though I like him) is a question mark and Pippo only start scoring in March.

While ManU, Rooeny, Berba, Mancheda, Owen.
Rooeny is heading to his prime. Berba will be a much more consistent player for Man U next year. Mancheda is a up and commer. Thus Owen only gives them a solid backup.

HUGE HUGE HUGE differences

Originally Posted by ZvonimirBoban

but if Ronaldinho is a replacement for Kaka', we have done better than ManU who replaced CR7 with Valencia... right?

IF we are talking about one player replacing another, YES.

But for ManU, Valencia is the new signings, then they also have Nani, JS Park and even Anderson who can play the role of CR7 in terms of scoring goals here and there.

The funnies thing is that a lot of people here are comparing what Milan done and what ManU done....
ManU lost two players who played a huge role for them last few years, while Milan did so too.
THe diff., is that even if both teams don't replace them, ManU is still miles ahead of Milan in terms of squad play, depth and talents. Don't fool ourselves by comparing Milan to ManU and thinks Milan is not so bad......

One more thing, some of my friends(ManU fans), they are piss about CR7 and not getting Benzema, but while at the same time, they know that good players will come. While I really can't say the same about Milan.

Originally Posted by mrki

Galliani lied about the health of Cissokho, its pretty obvious.

What makes you say that? Because Cissokho said so??? That doesn't mean anything. What did you expect from him??

Originally Posted by mrki

A player like Kaka' works much better for Huntelaar then Dinho for example.

Allow me to disagree. Ronaldinho is a much better assist than kaka. His long and through balls are unpredictable and overall much better than kaka's. His current form is another issue, but so is kaka's.

Your posts make no sense once again. Drama queen.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

The thing is, if Owen is sign.
Milan will have Borreillo, Pippo, Pato and Owen.
Owen is just an older version of Pato, and Borreillo(though I like him) is a question mark and Pippo only start scoring in March.

While ManU, Rooeny, Berba, Mancheda, Owen.
Rooeny is heading to his prime. Berba will be a much more consistent player for Man U next year. Mancheda is a up and commer. Thus Owen only gives them a solid backup.

HUGE HUGE HUGE differences

Still doesn't mask the fact that Ferguson has not made a big signing to appease the fans. Speaking to Man U fans--they are not happy. Owen was being mocked for putting out his own ad a few days ago.

I think he will play a Solskjaer type role at Man U.

Also, Liverpool--they may lose Alonso and are not buying anyone. In fact the talk in their camp is whether Rafa can hold onto stars. This all begs the question: is football now about two (one?) big team(s) in Spain?

Originally Posted by El Fre

Allow me to disagree. Ronaldinho is a much better assist than kaka. His long and through balls are unpredictable and overall much better than kaka's. His current form is another issue, but so is kaka's.

Your posts make no sense once again. Drama queen.

If you opt to masacre my post and leave out the part there I explain that Kaka's left and right constand movement suits tipical no.9 players more then Dinho's static LW position, then any possible argument with you is absurd.

Your post makes no sence as it cuts half of my explanation out, for some reason which I can explain but I dont want to start it now.

And Dinho's through passes are not better then Kaka's, maybe his crosses from wide left are more precise, but overall for a central CF its better to have "seconda punta" that moves around him and an AM that can move on both sides. Those are principles of so called "trio" that plays up front in some team.

Now, before you mention Barcelona I have to say Dinho COULD move back then and moved to the centre oftenly and quickly, and they had a winger ( Guly and now MEssi ), which Pato ISNT.

So that is it. I win

EDIT:

Kaka's form is an issue? In this planet it isnt. Days ago he showed how he carries his NT in a brilliant and mature way.

EDIT 2 ( to give a response on Cissokho):

Someone in here said that its possible that the player lied. Realistically, I trust a player 500% more then Galliani when it comes to paying in the mercato. We dont talk about somthing abstract in here. He has problems or he hasnt. If he has we dont need him, if he hasnt we can buy him. If he has problems that COULD cause longer injuries we'll loan him and if in the next 365 days we'll pay 15mln? And after 400 days ( just an example ) the problems from dental area are not here to cause muscle injuries? That danger lasts only 365 days? Come on...its a joke for morons, people dont fall for it. Medical things are not dont that way. Its all clear, he can or he cant do it.

If Zhirkov joins milan i would run around naked on the streets of south london in celebration of the fact that we would of signed of the most talented players in Europe. In my opinion Zhirkov is one of the best wingers in Europe certainly the best in Russia remember this player natural position is lwb. If we aren't able to get zhirkov than criscito or santos are very promising replacement maybe we could even reignite the cissokho deal.

As for Cissokho i do feel sorry for him but Galliani has a duty to spend having euro of kaka/gourcuff transfer wisely, 3 million euros may not seem significant but it is the difference between signing a player or missing out remember arsenal signed fabregas for 500,000 pounds and milan signed gourcuff for a fee in the region of 4 millions euros i think. If Cissokho has any problems that interfere with his ability to be sold on or have a long career than Porto should reduce the cost of the player.

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

Still doesn't mask the fact that Ferguson has not made a big signing to appease the fans. Speaking to Man U fans--they are not happy. Owen was being mocked for putting out his own ad a few days ago.

Like the headline on the Manchester United fan site said: "Sweet Jesus No!"

I think he will play a Solskjaer type role at Man U.

I agree. Fans think that every player brought in should be the current best player in the world at their position. But Owen can add depth, experience and goalscoring ability for United and can be a very, very valuable player if he's truly healthy and can stay that way most of the time. And the price was right!

Also, Liverpool--they may lose Alonso and are not buying anyone. In fact the talk in their camp is whether Rafa can hold onto stars. This all begs the question: is football now about two (one?) big team(s) in Spain?

This is exactly what's happening with the market spiraling out of control. Neither Manchester United nor Liverpool can sustain their debt and still spend endless funds on players. If the market continues the way it's going, only Chelsea and now Manchester City will have the resources to spend silly money. And all the clubs in England will be hurt by the new tax laws, leaving Real Madrid and Barcelona to take their pick.

*****

By the way, I was just combing through some of the transfer threads from the summer of 2006, just after I signed up for the site. There were a few things that struck me:

-- Shevchenko was leaving, so the sky was falling. (In retrospect, doesn't it seem like a stroke of genius to sell him for 45 million euros when Milan did?)

-- Almost everyone was wanting Oddo very badly. Now it seems nobody wants him.

-- There was a lot of concensus that Jankulovski should be getting a lot more playing time.

-- The majority of posters were unsure about this new kid Gourcuff that Milan was being linked with because, frankly, they had never heard of him.

-- I was wanting Tevez and Mascherano

-- The vast majority (myself included) weren't too thrilled about the prospect of Ibrahimovic being bought to replace Sheva

-- There was a thread complaining about Milan's transfer policy

Ok, drama queen.

On Cissokho:
All I said is that it is normal a player is gonna say: I'm OK, buy me!! Let me play!!
It means nothing.
On the rest I agree, he either can or can not.

On Ronaldinho Vs Kaka: They are different kind of players. Totally different. A striker like Hunterlaar can benefit from either one of them equally, depending on the tactical setup. My argument was that Ronaldinho's long and through balls are more precise.
And according to Leonardo, Ronaldinho's position will not be LW, it will be AMC. He will not be as mobile as kaka, but his balls will be better. Pato will do the running.

Relax, Your highness.

Nuff praise for the Owen purchase:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...ransfer-window

Nice post, Rick.

I must say I never wanted Oddo, and still have a major hard-on when thinking about the Flamini-Mascherano combo...

Originally Posted by Rick

By the way, I was just combing through some of the transfer threads from the summer of 2006, just after I signed up for the site. There were a few things that struck me:

-- Shevchenko was leaving, so the sky was falling. (In retrospect, doesn't it seem like a stroke of genius to sell him for 45 million euros when Milan did?)

-- Almost everyone was wanting Oddo very badly. Now it seems nobody wants him.

-- There was a lot of concensus that Jankulovski should be getting a lot more playing time.

-- The majority of posters were unsure about this new kid Gourcuff that Milan was being linked with because, frankly, they had never heard of him.

-- I was wanting Tevez and Mascherano

-- The vast majority (myself included) weren't too thrilled about the prospect of Ibrahimovic being bought to replace Sheva

-- There was a thread complaining about Milan's transfer policy

Perfect example for not counting the eggs until they hatch.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy...go-signing-of-

Funny. With him declined the (supposed to be) rumor, he started the rumor. How are your opinions about this player? Will he suit?

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain...chester-united

More funny. We are mentioned.

Galliani and Company are in Madrid today to speak with Madrid about Huntelaar.

El Fre, drama queen salutes your attempt to at least explain your position.

Still I claim that Dinho cant play central AM even if his passes are 1000% correct. The man cant move. My post talked about the movement of 3 players that make the so called "tidente" etc. I tried to explain that in our case, where Dinho is a player on the LW we need specific players as one of the 3 up front in "invalid" player when you look at his running capacity. You talk only about passing as the ball comes magically to Dinho's feet and he is free to pass. We'll see, but to me a solution in which he plays as a AM is a dangerous one, MAYBE if other forward next to PAto is a player like BNZEMA, Eto'o, Rooney... players that can move. Hunter will sit up front, Dinho will walk in the middle...


I also salute you with this as you do to me.

---------CF---PAto----
----------Dinho----
----Flamini---Rino---
----------Pirlo----

Even if Pirlo plays at full potential we'll have no more then 3,4 players cašable of playing in final third and playing vertical. Pirlo played vertical runs last time in Milan-Deportivo 4:! probably...