Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by slifersd

Just a quick update here: Season ticket sales in Serie A at this moment
Inter leads the way with 24000 tickets sold, a 15% increase compared to last year;
Milan stands proudly with 800 tickets sold, compared to the 12000 tickets sold this time last year.

Cutting down your main revenue stream for quick cash. Now, THAT is how you run a business.

Well, at least they doubled from last time. Thats a great start. I guess all those rumors about Luis and Hunter coming to Milan are really working.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Well, at least they doubled from last time. Thats a great start. I guess all those rumors about Luis and Hunter coming to Milan are really working.

Without proper signings (yes, Galliani, more than one), that growth will slow down steadily. All the die hard fans probably have already purchased their tickets and therefore won't contribute to the growth from now on. The not so die hard fans are not going to buy crap from them until something's done about the team. With the rate Galliani is working, that could take months. I am guessing Milan will open up the new season with San Siro half empty (or half full, depends on your perspectives).

Actually, I'm surprised there's so little mention of us possibly looking to get Higuain from Real. With Benzema, Ronaldo and Kaka all likely to start, there will be less space for him in the side. He'd possibly be a better option than Huntelaar, as he's got two good feet, is good on the ball and can run at opponents and has good movement.

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

Just because the player says that doesn't make it so. Of course, he is going to say I have no problems.

If there is a problem, then Milan are smart to ask for a discount.

My initial thought was similar to yours on this matter. However, let's look at this for a second.

Cissokho from the start has said the initial medical seemed to have problems but a second more thorough medical showed no problems.

Porto (possibly to push the original deal through) has said Cissokho has no problems and it's been confirmed by the Milan medical team.

Other professionals, most notably Ascoli's doctor (a man with 27 years experience), have said that dental issues can be resolved and haven't prevented transfers going through in the past.

Jean-Pierre Messerman, who we all know as one of Milan's head doctors, has been quoted as saying this problem can be resolved, but is still unsure if the transfer will go through.

For me there are plenty of sources, including a key figure from Milan's own medical staff, saying Cissokho's dental problems aren't really an issue.

Without wanting to open this argument up again, if Cissokho's problems are really such a big issue that they could cause major problems for his health, why are we trying to renegotiate to get him cheaper, or why are we renegotiating to try and get him on loan for next season when these problems could flare up at any time in his career?

Truth is, not much adds up in this whole deal.

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

Well, to replace Ronaldo with Valencia will hardly get the pulses racing. I have some Man U friends who are pretty depressed with how their transfer season is going. They were very sure that they would get Benzema. Now the only big players left in the market are Aguero and Ibrahimovic. Will they make a a move for them?

Real Madrid are buying all the big names. It is as if everyone is waiting for the storm to pass.

Valencia may not be a big signing but I'm pretty certain he'd be a pretty smart signing, he's very talented and still young.

Listen:
Atletico Madrid want Pirlo!
Napoli want Boriello!

Why don't we take Huntelaar on a loan, Luis Fabiano for 15 mil,
Boriello and some money for Santacrouce, Pirlo and 20 mil for AGUERO and bring Hernanez and Zhirkov /Cissoko
We can have a VERY GOOD TEAM FOR MORE THEN 55 MIL!!!!

GK
ZAMBRO-NESTA/SANTA-SILVA/BONERA-Zhirkov /Cissoko
FLAMINI-RINO
HERNANEZ
AGUERO-Huntelaar/ Luis Fabiano-PATO

Originally Posted by otoniel

so any news from madrid? about our transfers

no news still ???

it is a preliminary negotiation phase a more detailed report might indicate real and milan intentions tomorrow unless the pair have already agreed a deal for the player and all galliani and perez are discussing is their relationship lol. as for fabiano i don't Milan is going to pay the fee that Sevilla require this looks like it will be a long drawn out process.

Originally Posted by Samaldinho

How has anyone come out with the idea that Ronaldinho can't pass, that is why he can't play the CAM?

You may talk about his lack of movement, but that is why the midfield behind him will be Gattuso--Pirlo--Flamini; and I think people are talking more about what they feel then what they have watched.

Ronaldinho is motivated and will move for the team when he is motivated, that is very sure. In Spain tactics meant nothing, and it seems pretty obvious that is the same for Brazil. This was Ronaldinho's first try at Serie A, and he did not do that badly considering all the factors.

However, to talk about Ronaldinho's passing ability is down-right ridiculous, because he is clearly a superior passer of the ball than Kaka and sprays so many passes, you just have to watch one game with him to know that.

I love this forum. You spit out your opinion, and everyone going against you will always swarm you like hyenas about the stuff you say without touching on your entire post.
I never said he couldn't pass, I was mainly stating the fact of the matter that Becks wants to play in the middle whilst Ronnie prefers to stay in his compact little corner on the left. How you guys failed to interpret it, whilst I was mentioning Becks is truly beyond me.

The fact of the matter is, his lack of movement and his tendency to stay cropped up is going to be his and the teams downfall. I don't give a rats' a$$ about how much better his passes are compared to 99.9% of the players in this universe, if he doesn't move, he doesn't receive the ball, if he doesn't move enough, he doesn't get past his double or triple markers to make the space for himself to pass the ball.

You can talk about how the midfielders behind him will help him and all that jazz, but they can only help so much. Defensively, yes, they allow him to move more freely up front, but Kaka and everyone else was already doing that stuff for him last season, I didn't see any marked improvements in his tendency to stay in his corner or any improvements in his attacking movement. That does not bode well when he wants to get rid of his markers, simply because he can and will be marked out of the game, like Kaka or Pirlo was in the previous seasons (most notably when Pato hadn't arrived).

You people all forget one more thing. Now that we've lost Kaka, the opposing teams will focus their attention and resources back on Ronnie and Pato. They now have an easier job of not watching Kaka's runs into the box. They now get to mark two unpredictables instead of three. This means even less space for our Brazilian stars to run into and out of, and a lot less movement to draw space for our Ronnie's "Killer Passes". Another aspect to this is that we're talking about the MIDDLE, where its going to be way more packed than on the side of a field and with way more opponents waiting to take the ball away.

Yes, he's good, but I don't think he's got the pace and technique to pass three opposition players every 5 minutes of each game he plays, even if he was playing AM and only had to attack. Maybe 5 years back, but definitely not now. Thats all I'm saying, and the main reasons why I fail to see the optimism of Ronnie playing as a CAM. He simply can't get past enough people before he either gets his ball stolen away, or he's pushed off the ball.

Now unless Management can produce the type of signing to fill in those holes, or Seedorf suddenly decides to start jogging around the pitch again, I don't see how Ronnie, even with a reduced waistline and an improved confidence, can set our team's attack alight like a lot of you bashers have been saying.

As much as I love Ronnie, I don't see him as our CAM. Its not about believing in the guy because he's on our team, guys, its about finding the best position for him to work in and then building on it so that it becomes a killer position that will strike fear into any opposition. Throwing Ronnie in Kaka's position solves nothing, and its more likely a move that will backfire than succeed. Think logically. If we were to buy a player like Huntelaar or Fabiano, we could switch our formation to a 4-3-3 or a 4-4-2 (not diamond mid) to suit Ronnie.

Thats all I've been saying the whole fuc|<ing time. Now grow a brain and some eyes and read through the entire post before you guys start your bashing.

Before you start thinking that my reply was about you, and we start fight for no reasons, let's just put some things into perspective:

Ronaldinho hugs that left sided pocket, and that's fine, but to say that he is incapable of playing anywhere else and that he does not move, is to deny that a player as good as he is (naturally) to be able to change positions on the field.

Talking about Kaka's defensive or tactical skills are funny. Kaka has neither defensive skills, a very high workrate, and the reason why Seedorf plays next to Kaka is because he is tactically aware, actually puts in a tackle or two, and can help keep Milan's shape when Kaka goes on some run down the flank.

When you talked about movement, you spoke of Kaka going to make a cross to Ronaldinho (in the Inter game). That was proof of Kaka's ability to move, which he does. But Ronaldinho ran from about mid-field, into the box to get to the end of Kaka's cross, and Kaka's cross was possible, because of Ronaldinho's cross-field pass.

Now that you are speaking of predictability, just because Kaka is gone, doesn't mean our predictability is certain. In fact, I would argue that Ronaldinho is FAR more unpredictable than Kaka. Kaka has the no-nonsense ability to just take the ball and run, but Ronaldinho brings other players into the game, and frees up space by either drawing defenders to him, or by unleashing a clever trick to release a fullback or striker.

Also, if we play the 4-3-1-2, instead of the defense worrying about Kaka, they'll have the headache of one of our new strikers. Whether that's Hunt, Fabiano, Dzeko, or Boriello, that will be on their mind, while the pacey Pato will give them second-guesses, while our full backs push up and Ronaldinho gets to operate with liberty, backed by our extremely strong and mobile midfield 3 of Pirlo, Gattuso, and Flamini.

I'm not bashing, and please don't use insults against me, because if I have insulted you I apologize, but there is no need to use profanity or name-calling.

Originally Posted by Samaldinho

I'm starting really to believe in Ronaldinho.

YES! We must all believe.

I do believe in Ronaldinho. I have done that since we bought him last summer. He started great and took a step forward, but then slowed down (I don't know if Carlo was the reason or what exactly happened but the fact is there to be seen.....he took a steps back again).

Anyhow, I believe in Ronaldinho simply because his talent is unmatched. Ronaldinho in his best IMO is a better player then Kaka, C.Ronaldo or Messi. He simply was a genius. And even now.....with all the standing around and lose of explosiveness, etc. that he is facing, he still is capable of producing multiple 99% scoring chances during a game. He showed that this year, where at times even when he was on the field only for 15/20 mins he still created chances. That's what's giving me hope......the fact that this guy possesses so much natural talent, that with some hard work and motivation he can be a force again. Not in terms of taking on 3/4 players and scoring (like he did a few years ago), but in other ways.....like dribbling through one player and putting a through pass, or free kicks, or bringing others into play, and etc.

I just have a very hard time writing off a 29 yr old, and I refuse to do that especially when that 29 year old possesses talent that is arguably matched by only a few players in history.

I don't want to get into tactical debates of whether Dinho can play in the middle or not.....etc. Let's just wait and see what happens come September. All I want to say is I hope for the best from him.....but also, I am prepared for the worst. Hopefully it'll be the first one because I still have faith in him.

Originally Posted by otoniel

no news still ???

There will be no news.

Just before the start of the season Galliani will announce our 'new' signings:

Thiago Silva, Boriello, Nesta and Kaladze.

We will be told how we suffered with injuries last season, but this season we can welcome back 'champions'!!

Originally Posted by Samaldinho

If Milan line up like this on opening day:

----------Abbiati
Zambro--Nesta--T. Silva--Cissoko/Zhirkov
-----------Pirlo
--Gattuso--------Flamini
--------Ronaldinho
Hunt/Fabiano/Dzeko--Pato

Bench: Boriello, Inzaghi, Dida, Bonera, Seedorf, Ambro, Janku, Oddo, Favalli Criscito (?) Abate, Di Gennaro
(I know there are only 7 spots on the bench)

Abbiati will not play on opening day, as he isn't expected back until September. No one seems to be aware of that.

Originally Posted by Blacktop

Abbiati will not play on opening day, as he isn't expected back until September. No one seems to be aware of that.

Its understandable, with the mess the club is in who can even muster the courage to start couting the problems we have.

Originally Posted by Blacktop

Abbiati will not play on opening day, as he isn't expected back until September. No one seems to be aware of that.

I guess I meant that more of "this could be our line-up" than really what we would open with. Sorry for the confusion.

No apologies.