Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by otoniel

can you share the link with us ?

It was on GolTV earlier

Surprisingly, when I was watching the confed cup game between Italy and the Us, pirlo ocassionally broke from a walking jog to a proper run!
When he is given a lack of space, especially from the hard-tackling USA midfielders, he becomes less effective to a great extent. I think Beckham however, is far more rounded, and can run fast enough, and evade well enough. If Becks can come back to milan.....

That is why players such as Hernanes will be better. Problem is, the South American clubs will be asking far too much for their men. Anything above the 20 million mark is a challenge for Milan, depsite reaping 80 million from sales. How much really went into "balancing the books" and into Berlu's pocket?
We can't have been that broke!
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What would you guys want after (if) Fabaino arrives?:

In my opinion, we still need one more CB/LB/RB to seal up the defense and free up Janko for more of a midfield role, whilst also acquiring a GK. Most likely, none of the young Keeping stars will arrive that we have mentioned, but I hope this Keeper is either a proven on the European stage, or a talented yet relatively unknown one. ... Didn't we sign a South American keeper last year, yet he was meant to come a year later? Maybe his performances weren't up to scratch?

I also don't know what the doom and gloom is about. We lost Maldini---who we knew was going to retire anyways AND we already bought a replacement in Thiago Silva AND Nesta appears to be fit. What's the problem?? We have not seen Thiago Silva play even one game, and people are already saying our central defense sucks.

We lost Kaka, again we already have a replacement--Ronaldinho. He does not have the characteristics of Kaka, BUt this team has won even before Kaka joined. With "slower" AM's like Rivaldo and Rui COsta, we were able to tear apart teams. Pato will now be the one responsible for injecting pace and increasing our tempo. For me, Ronaldinho will be the next RUi Costa--putting in passes and creatning chances for our strikers----only difference being that R80 can still beat players one on one, whereas Rui Costa couldn't.

As for strikers, we will finally be getting the targetman we sorely lacked last year. Fabiano/Boriello would be great options to have up front with Pato and R80 supporting. QUite frankly, I dont see the situation to be as dire as most of you.

And believe me, management are looking for a new left back. It's obvioius. Of course they're going to say we don't need anyone else, they said similar things about central defenders and then Gooch was signed out of the blue.

Galliani would be insane to purposely "find" a problem in Cissokho's medical. He wanted Cissokho, went to Portugal, and had a deal agreed. We were happy to pay 15 M. Why would Galliani then try to lower the price when an agreement was already in place? It doesnt serve anyone. Admit it, there is a genuine problem with the player's medical and hence a lower price is warranted. And I personally don't care, if we don't get Cissokho, then so be it, it's more of a loss for him, than for Milan.

Originally Posted by rt9

I also don't know what the doom and gloom is about. We lost Maldini---who we knew was going to retire anyways AND we already bought a replacement in Thiago Silva AND Nesta appears to be fit. What's the problem?? We have not seen Thiago Silva play even one game, and people are already saying our central defense sucks.

We lost Kaka, again we already have a replacement--Ronaldinho. He does not have the characteristics of Kaka, BUt this team has won even before Kaka joined. With "slower" AM's like Rivaldo and Rui COsta, we were able to tear apart teams. Pato will now be the one responsible for injecting pace and increasing our tempo. For me, Ronaldinho will be the next RUi Costa--putting in passes and creatning chances for our strikers----only difference being that R80 can still beat players one on one, whereas Rui Costa couldn't.

As for strikers, we will finally be getting the targetman we sorely lacked last year. Fabiano/Boriello would be great options to have up front with Pato and R80 supporting. QUite frankly, I dont see the situation to be as dire as most of you.

I am worried about the lack of alternatives from Dihno. Seedorf cannot split a game open like before, so Leo must have other tatical ideas in place incase Dihno fails.

Exactly, Leo will have to figure out more ways for us to play. Seedorf can play a role, I feel, but his work rate will have to increase from previous years. Otherwise, I am curious to see what formation Leo will opt for and how he will integrate wing play into the side.

Originally Posted by Rick

As I said earlier in this thread, nobody wins the Champions League without being lucky. Even if you crush your opponent in the final, somewhere along the way something will have gone your way to get you to that point. There are too many good teams for it not to be otherwise. But the point is that Milan did win the Champions League that year -- without Shevchenko and without summer transfers. That's the bottom line. The sky didn't fall in 2006. It's not falling now.

What you said is true, every team needs luck to win the title. The thing that bugs me, however, is that you keep preaching about how sky didn't fall down and everything is just fine. Other than that CL win, what exactly has Milan done since the Shevchenko sale? We haven't won the Serie A since he has been gone; we had to play in UEFA cup for the first time in a long time; we became the laughing stock of the transfer market; and the icing on the cake is when we sold our best player for cash again merely three years later. What exactly has to happen to convince you that the team is in crisis? By Milan standard, the current situation this team is in is the crisis state. The sky did fall down on us and turned us into the second rate team we are right now.

Juve signed Melo for 18Mil+Marchanni, Canna for free, and Diego for 25mil sofar this season. Last year they signed Amauri for 15MIl+players, Poulsen for 8mil or so and Sissoko for about 8mil. Two years ago, they got Tiago +Almiron for about 40mil and Iqunita for about 10mil after playing in Series B. Thats a total spending of 124Mil with one year of playing with CL and did not sell any of their major players. Yes, they did sold Ibra, Thuram, Viera and Zambro four yrs ago, but they also played in Series B.

Milan signed Gooch for free, T. Silva for 16mil and will probably sign one or two more players before season starts, but sold Kaka for 65mil and Gourcuff for 15mil. Last years, they signed Dinho for 18Mil, Zambro for 12mil, Flamini for Free, Loan Senderous for 2mil, recall Borreillo for 8mil while sold RO for 10mil, Gila for 15mil and Brocchi for 1mil. Two years ago, they signed Emerson for 6mil and Pato for 20mil after winning the CL.
Thats a total spending of 82mil while out going players=106mil. On top of that, they won the CL, thats must be like 100mil.

Where did those money gone?

Gabriel, you dont really have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure that one out. That's why most of us here are angry, we can see us fans being cheated upon and all we can do is just watch. That's why these protests must keep on going.

AC Milan keeping tabs on Hoffenheim star Carlos Eduardo
10.07.09 | tribalfootball.com
AC Milan are monitoring Carlos Eduardo's situation at Hoffenheim.

Milan chiefs are aware of Zenit St Petersburg's interest in the Brazilian attacking midfielder, who is rated in the £12 million class by Hoffenheim. Wolfsburg are also keen after selling Diego to Juventus (WTF?).

Encouraging for Milan is that Eduardo is about to secure an Italian passport.

The Rossoneri are weighing up whether to wait until the January market to move for Eduardo, which is when his passport should be secured.

He could be the perfect alternative for Dihno. I say, wait to see how Dihno goes, and if he is struggling or injured, bring in this guy.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Juve signed Melo for 18Mil+Marchanni, Canna for free, and Diego for 25mil sofar this season. Last year they signed Amauri for 15MIl+players, Poulsen for 8mil or so and Sissoko for about 8mil. Two years ago, they got Tiago +Almiron for about 40mil and Iqunita for about 10mil after playing in Series B. Thats a total spending of 124Mil with one year of playing with CL and did not sell any of their major players. Yes, they did sold Ibra, Thuram, Viera and Zambro four yrs ago, but they also played in Series B.

Milan signed Gooch for free, T. Silva for 16mil and will probably sign one or two more players before season starts, but sold Kaka for 65mil and Gourcuff for 15mil. Last years, they signed Dinho for 18Mil, Zambro for 12mil, Flamini for Free, Loan Senderous for 2mil, recall Borreillo for 8mil while sold RO for 10mil, Gila for 15mil and Brocchi for 1mil. Two years ago, they signed Emerson for 6mil and Pato for 20mil after winning the CL.
Thats a total spending of 82mil while out going players=106mil. On top of that, they won the CL, thats must be like 100mil.

Where did those money gone?

Many clubs in a better position than us right now, work in debt. I am not saying this is the way to go, but Galliani shouldn't be afraid to borrow cash. if we just auto-finance ourselves, we won't be a force for another 5 years or so... If Milan has to go on like this, fans must voice their concerns about the lack of investment from MGT. This is the way a struggling mid-table club manage themselves.....

shouldn't have looked at the tribalfootball. it is worse than galliani's mouth.

I'd like to begin my post with thanks to those who praised my last post, it was very nice of all of you, thank you.

I'm glad that there is optimism here, there should be. There is obviously optimism with the players, and they know that they can do a lot more then they have shown before.

Ambro has scored more goals last season then he ever has. Gattuso was playing out of his skin before he got injured, and Pirlo seemed to grow back into his former self as the season progressed, albeit with some inconsistency. Flamini has grown and come from a "great for a free-transfer" to a mainstay of Milan's squad. This is the backbone of our midfield, and with Beckham hopefully returning, we will have a very strong core to work with.

Will Seedorf rise to occasion? Well, frankly, he has to in order to get a spot in this new squad. If he wants to play, he will have to work hard, and I don't see why he won't.

Plus, if people ask what a world-cup year does to a player, look at what Beckham did to get back into England's team. Ronaldinho has not shown that he has the same work-ethic (few players in history, actually can come close to Beckham's work ethic) but Ronaldinho has always been able to bank on his past to get him through his last tough patch.

Players have worked extremely hard for World Cup squads, look at Totti's return from injury for 2006, or Ronaldo for 2002. Ronaldinho knows that people in Brazil are thinking of how Brazil's squad is now Kaka's. Don't you think that infuriates him? Don't you think seeing Kaka wear his number 10 bothers him?

Ronaldinho does not have to do what Cassano has to do to get back into his National Team squad. I don't remember Ronaldinho screaming and tearing at his shirt over a yellow card, skipping training, or cursing at his trainers. Ronaldinho doesn't have an attitude, he could have been cursing and screaming while he was being benched. He was respectful when saying "I don't want to sit on the bench, but I respect the coach." So, he doesn't have to do this show and dance that Cassano does, because he has a great attitude and lifts team's spirits.

Does the team lack real depth? If Fabiano comes, the strikers will be Luis Fabiano, Pato, Inzaghi, Boriello and Zigoni. I think that's good there. Midfield will consist of Pirlo, Ambro, Flamini, Gattuso, Seedorf, Abate, Di Gennaro, and Ronaldinho. Don't forget the Uruguayans, who I feel will decide their future with this next season. The defense is worrying, I admit, but it will be good, if Nesta can stay healthy. That seems to be the bet of Milan, and I'm scared of it, but, if you're going to bet on a defender, why not bet on one of the best defenders in the last 20 years?

I think Janku will be pushed higher up the field, especially as it looks like a LB will be coming in. If I'm honest, I'd take Criscito over Cissoko or Andre Santos (who I don't think was that amazing anyways) but, again, the defensive qualities of the full back are secondary in Leonardo's formations because the full backs are designed to push forward, while the midfield cannot be "dynamic" and fast, which means open to threat.

The midfield's job is to hold possession, keep the battle in Milan's favor and establish dominance. Who better to do that than Flamini, Gattuso and Ambro? Who better to offer smart tactical passes than Pirlo? Honestly, think about who these guys are again.

Milan is not done with the transfer market, I wouldn't be surprised if we get more than a CF and a LB, though Beckham's winter return will provide more options for Leonardo in the second half of the season. Milan are a team that obviously are not scared of spending money when needed, but, I don't see a 28-29 year old striker, especially one of Luis Fabiano's quality being worth more than 20 million. In fact, I would have trouble paying over 18 million for him, and I don't see why it's suddenly a problem that Galliani doesn't want to spend more money on an older player, when apparently, that's all we do.

We are not a laughing stock. We are not a second-rate team. We are a team that has turned out to be smart in the end. We always have been a team like that. If this is a surprise to you, then I wonder if you've known about the way Milan do things?

Many refer to Barca as a sort of comparison to us. If you look at Barca, their team was not to great last year. They got rid of Ronaldinho, Messi stepped up to a more consistent role, Henry finally played like he could and Etoo stayed to play like he could. So, we get rid of Kaka, Pato steps up his game, Ronaldinho finally plays like he can, and Seedorf stays to play like he can? Okay, maybe Seedorf won't play well, but I don't see why Pato and Ronaldinho can't come good.

Furthermore, Barca's team was structured around players brought to the club during Rjikaard's era. The players brought in for Pep really didnt play as significant a role as the other players. Keita did not play as much as Yaya, and Pique was the only real addition, who came good since Milito's injury.

So, honestly, a change of attitude, a new coach, a fresh chance to start over, these things actually can make a player who a year ago wasn't doing that well. Barca's squad is an example Milan can honestly look at.

If you want to talk about a player, who comes up big for his team when they need it, and you're saying that we don't have that players anymore (since Kaka left) then I just have to ask, have you watched Ronaldinho before? I'm not even talking about during his frightening best with Barca, but with us?

Against Braga he scored a scorcher. Against Napoli he pushed the team forward, hitting the free-kick to win the game. Against Inter he played very well, better than Kaka, and scored the game-winner. He dragged Milan back against Portsmouth, coming on with 16 minutes left to go and the score at 2-0.

Yes, it did not go exactly to the script, but this was his first season in Serie A, and I think Ronaldinho will relish the chance to not just prove his doubters wrong, but to show up Barca, to show up Kaka, to show Brazilians that his smile is still genuine and that he can still produce the moments of magic, of pure fantasy, to really just change a game.

Ronaldinho needs support, he is going through a low period, and has been. Our job for this club is to give those players that helping hand, that encouragement, that belief that they can do what we know that they can. If we don't believe in them, who will?

Originally Posted by Xudong

shouldn't have looked at the tribalfootball. it is worse than galliani's mouth.

Yeah, but it sometimes picks up different stories from the main websites. though, as you said, the likeliness of it being true is minimal.

When it does have a true report, it pops up hours later than other sources....

Still, what do you think of Eduardo?