Summer mercato 2009

Rick when Milan signed Nesta, we were linked to him and Cannavaro all summer. As you know, we got Nesta and Juve got Canna. We arent linked to any world class defenders now.

And when you are integrating players into a side it takes longer than a few games at the start of the season. Ask Rui Costa, ask Flamini, ask Kaladze, he still hasnt settled lol.

I see the major argument of the pessimists here is that our last two season sucked.
As an example of "how it should be done right" you list Manchester United, Barca, Bayern Munich.

1. How long did it take ManU to build a team who is terrorizing England and Europe for the last three years? Their transition period took 9 years. 1999 - 2008. And they are entering another transition period as we speak. See how much trophies they win next season.

2. How long did it take Barca to get through their transition period? It took them OMG 14 years OMG! (1992-2006). They might pull off a couple more years of success, although Real Madrid is pushing hard.

3. You mentioned how Bayern spend something like ~80m euro after they dropped out of Champions League. What exactly did they win after making all those purchases?

That said, Milan fans became kind of spoiled because of our recent spell of success, as we got used to pushing for the Champions League title every year!

By the way, I read an article on Financial Times. They did an analysis of the football club's spendings and correlated those with the club's success.

Their findings: Money spent on transfers account only for 30% of club's success in tournaments! While money spent on wages account for 80% of club's success in tournaments!

Anyone recongize Milan policy in the previous two lines?

I thought ManU got that fast winger on Gourcuff's team.

TO be honest, I don't think fans will be piss if Galli and Berlu would just shut up once in a while. I think it is their comments that got fans piss off more than their actions.
Or maybe it is just me.

Yes, maybe Pool, ManU and Barcelona had not spend much or yet, but you really don't see Fergie or Glazers or Gillet or LaPorta coming out every two days and say that the market is close unless this or the squad is full of champions or we rule the transfer market.....

Also, Rick, I cannot believe you were satisfy by just making the CL this past season. CL was one of the objective but at least make a proper run at UEFA CUP, and also challenging for the League.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

TO be honest, I don't think fans will be piss if Galli and Berlu would just shut up once in a while. I think it is their comments that got fans piss off more than their actions.
Or maybe it is just me.

Come on bro, it pisses me off to sometimes. But they have been doing it for years! It's the only way they know to lower the player's price. No, actually there is another way - bad teeth!

Originally Posted by Ryo

Rick, you say it like this is the first season we've been playing like crap in either Europe or at home, but its not. Keep the faith sounds good and all, but fans can't live off of "keeping the faith" after 2 or 3 years of transitions. They expect to see results, and with each passing year, they get ever so more impatient.

What is it, exactly, that you're expecting? You do realize, don't you, that Milan has won just one Scudetto in the past 10 years? So why is this suddenly a problem that wasn't there three or four years ago?

The main problem I feel, is the fact that we happen to be sharing our stadium with the team that's been consistent enough to win the league 4 years straight, regardless of whether they've been playing pretty or $hitty football, and some of the fans are beginning to tire of seeing us not doing the same, and doing not enough to change that.

Inter hasn't "won" four straight Scudetti. Inter was handed the first two because of the scandal and they took advantage of the fact that the scandal hurt both Milan and Juve to win the others. If you were paying attention, you'd know that Inter was not that good a team last year. They were inconsistent all season. They were bounced from the first knockout round of the Champions League for the third straight year. They actually let Milan get dangerously close to them late in the Serie A season after building a big lead. What makes you think Inter is so many light years ahead of Milan?

The proper way IS to add pieces several at a time, yet do you not see that apart from Flamini and Borriello, the past two years we've been doing nothing but buying quick-fix old chess pieces from other teams at a premium. Were we not trying to transition 3 years back? Also, when you add pieces, you normally tend to keep the pieces you value to last for most of the game, and let go of the dead-weights.

Pato was a quick-fix old chess piece? Thiago Silva is a quick-fix old chess piece?

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

Milan are not behaving like a top club. A top club doesn't talk about frugality every damn day. That is the truth. I have always said over and over again (for about 2 years) that if we sell Kaka' we will send a message out to the football world saying that we are not a big club, but one that sells its top players. The implications are grave.

So, as we are not behaving like a top club anymore, let's at least behave like a 2nd or 3rd tier club. That is, let's buy good players for positions we really need.
Currently, the management has not spent a penny, but again I will withhold judgement until August 31st.

We need three players.

Also, Pato will leave in about 4-5 years. Today Arshavin said that England's tax problems could lead to an exodus. If it is bad in England, then think how bad it will be in Italy. The two clubs in Spain will boast the best talents in the world. Galliani is not always wrong with regards to this, but he almost uses it as an excuse to do very little on the market.

Galliani is one of the best, if not the best.

But he has to follow the owner's instructions.

Why do you think Berlusconi trust him so much?

Originally Posted by fLame

I see the major argument of the pessimists here is that our last two season sucked.
As an example of "how it should be done right" you list Manchester United, Barca, Bayern Munich.

1. How long did it take ManU to build a team who is terrorizing England and Europe for the last three years? Their transition period took 9 years. 1999 - 2008. And they are entering another transition period as we speak. See how much trophies they win next season.

2. How long did it take Barca to get through their transition period? It took them OMG 14 years OMG! (1992-2006). They might pull off a couple more years of success, although Real Madrid is pushing hard.

3. You mentioned how Bayern spend something like ~80m euro after they dropped out of Champions League. What exactly did they win after making all those purchases?

That said, Milan fans became kind of spoiled because of our recent spell of success, as we got used to pushing for the Champions League title every year!

By the way, I read an article on Financial Times. They did an analysis of the football club's spendings and correlated those with the club's success.

Their findings: Money spent on transfers account only for 30% of club's success in tournaments! While money spent on wages account for 80% of club's success in tournaments!

Anyone recongize Milan policy in the previous two lines?

fLame, what bull$hit are you spewing?

Manchester United won their League in 1999-2000, and 2000-2001 after their treble winning season, they won the 2002-03 season, and then spent 3 years playing second fiddle to Chelski and Arsenal, the next winning season coming in 2006-07. 9 Years? Yes, they were in transition and still managed to win 4 Leagues in the 9 year period, hrm..... nice transition.

Barca won the league in 1999. Their next league was in 2004-05. That makes it 5 years. Thats already shorter than ours.

Bayern chucked out 80 Million, and won the 2007-08 League after that. Yes, the season afterwards was a disaster for them, but their initial results were good enough. It was only after they lost Felix Magath that everything went downhill for them. Magath proved last season at Wolfsburg exactly what Bayern were missing, nuff said.

Get your facts straight before you start your arguement, else you end up looking like a fool.

Originally Posted by fLame

I see the major argument of the pessimists here is that our last two season sucked.
As an example of "how it should be done right" you list Manchester United, Barca, Bayern Munich.

1. How long did it take ManU to build a team who is terrorizing England and Europe for the last three years? Their transition period took 9 years. 1999 - 2008. And they are entering another transition period as we speak. See how much trophies they win next season.

2. How long did it take Barca to get through their transition period? It took them OMG 14 years OMG! (1992-2006). They might pull off a couple more years of success, although Real Madrid is pushing hard.

3. You mentioned how Bayern spend something like ~80m euro after they dropped out of Champions League. What exactly did they win after making all those purchases?

That said, Milan fans became kind of spoiled because of our recent spell of success, as we got used to pushing for the Champions League title every year!

By the way, I read an article on Financial Times. They did an analysis of the football club's spendings and correlated those with the club's success.

Their findings: Money spent on transfers account only for 30% of club's success in tournaments! While money spent on wages account for 80% of club's success in tournaments!

Anyone recongize Milan policy in the previous two lines?

You are speaking about CL success only.

Barcelona won the league two years with a CL before losing to Real in one year and tie in points with Real in another. And winning the treble this year.
Before that they have about 6 yrs of without any major trophies. But during those six years without anything, the only players that are still with the team are Xavi and Pugol.


Bayern spent 80mil and the next year they won the Domestic Double. I still think their team is still in transition but if they manage to keep Ribery and Gomez fulfill his potentail, they will be fine.

Man U, they won 6 EPL titles over the last 10 years. TO me thats pretty impressive.

Originally Posted by fLame

Come on bro, it pisses me off to sometimes. But they have been doing it for years! It's the only way they know to lower the player's price. No, actually there is another way - bad teeth!

Thats really their problems, as if all the fans know what they are doing, won't the other MGT knows that too?

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Also, Rick, I cannot believe you were satisfy by just making the CL this past season. CL was one of the objective but at least make a proper run at UEFA CUP, and also challenging for the League.

Who the hell really cares about UEFA Cup? The objective was to not be playing in UEFA Cup (or whatever they are calling it now) again, so why worry much about winning that? I can see that being an objective if you're Tottenham Hotspur or Genoa, but Milan belongs in the Champions League. As long as they got back to the Champions League, why should anyone not be satisfied?

Sure, it would have been nice to have won the Scudetto, but did anyone really think Milan was going to win the Scudetto after finishing fifth the previous season? What Milan did do was to finish level in points with Juve and to actually make a run at Inter late in the season what had them sweating just a bit. And Milan did that despite long-term injuries to Nesta, Gattuso and Borriello. That's a big improvement over the previous year, yet some of you act like Milan has just fallen to 10th place or just barely escaped relegation.

For starter, I hope Milan can win the league last season but after the first two defeats and Nesta delaying his return. That dream was over.

I did expect to finish in the top 4 last year, but I also expect them to win the UEFA CUP. Maybe you and others thinks that a MICKEY MOUSE CUP, but to me, you must give your 100% in all competitions or else no point even participlating it.

Originally Posted by MiamiMilanista

Milannews.it reporting that Milan are chasing Carlos Eduardo

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/?action=read&id=160436

I know this was reported earlier, but it's front page on Milannews. Very good player who can get the ball around quite a bit

Further info from tribalfootball.com

AC Milan are monitoring Carlos Eduardo's situation at Hoffenheim.

Milan chiefs are aware of Zenit St Petersburg's interest in the Brazilian attacking midfielder, who is rated in the £12 million class by Hoffenheim.
Encouraging for Milan is that Eduardo is about to secure an Italian passport.

The Rossoneri are weighing up whether to wait until the January market to move for Eduardo, which is when his passport should be secured.

Two comments from readers...

1. Carlos Eduardo would be a good signing but 12m? Too inflated. Hernanes may be better, only time will tell, but Hernanes has never played in Europe and would cost a foreign player slot for Milan. The 12m price tag needs to drop.

2. I think Diego is from Werder Bremen, not Wolfsburg. And I think this player [Carlos Eduardo] is great. But for me, I prefer Hernanes than Carlos.

Originally Posted by Rick

What is it, exactly, that you're expecting? You do realize, don't you, that Milan has won just one Scudetto in the past 10 years? So why is this suddenly a problem that wasn't there three or four years ago?



Inter hasn't "won" four straight Scudetti. Inter was handed the first two because of the scandal and they took advantage of the fact that the scandal hurt both Milan and Juve to win the others. If you were paying attention, you'd know that Inter was not that good a team last year. They were inconsistent all season. They were bounced from the first knockout round of the Champions League for the third straight year. They actually let Milan get dangerously close to them late in the Serie A season after building a big lead. What makes you think Inter is so many light years ahead of Milan?



Pato was a quick-fix old chess piece? Thiago Silva is a quick-fix old chess piece?

Rick, once again, I swear if you were actually within my vicinity, I would hunt you down and strangle you.

READ THE FULL POST! DON'T JUST TAKE BITS AND PIECES OF MY POST TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK GOOD! I SWEAR I DON'T THINK ANYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM WOULD BE AS IDIOTIC AS TO SEE WHAT YOU SEE FROM READING MY POST THOROUGHLY!

1.) The problem wasn't there BEFORE because it was ONLY JUST THAT, a FEW YEAR PERIOD. When that period continues to grow THATS WHEN PEOPLE START SEEING THINGS DIFFERENT. If you don't see that, then either you're immortal, or just idiotic. Time changes everything, you don't stop growing if you suddenly want to. People who were patient with the clubs lack of silverware will just KEEP GETTING MORE IMPATIENT.

2.) MY POINT WAS NOT WHETHER THEY DESERVED IT OR NOT. IF YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS, WHILST DEFENDING YOUR POSITION ABOUT OUR CL WIN IN 2007, THAT MAKES YOU NOTHING MORE THAN A BIASED HYPOCRITE. The fact is, they played crap, and they still won in the end. We do the same thing and we drop down to 5th, NOTICE A DIFFERENCE? OR IS MY POINT STILL BLIND TO YOU?

3.) Pato and Thiago Silva came in WINTER! I never once mentioned any names in my post about who were the old chess pieces, BUT SINCE YOU WANT TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK SO GOOD, WELL JUST GO AHEAD AND USE THEM AS YOUR EXAMPLES.
The ones I was referring to happen to be players like Ibram Ba, Shevchenko, Brocchi, Emerson, and the list goes on.


Taking bits and pieces of other peoples posts and mashing them together into an arguement that you can bite back as is not cool, totally childish, and completely unnecessary, simply because people can link back to my last post (via your quote) and read through the entire thing word for word.

Stop acting like you have an arguement against me, you don't. You're just trying to make it sound like you do. Anyone on this forum can see it. You're just making yourself look more like the idiot I don't want to admit you are.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

For starter, I hope Milan can win the league last season but after the first two defeats and Nesta delaying his return. That dream was over.

I did expect to finish in the top 4 last year, but I also expect them to win the UEFA CUP. Maybe you and others thinks that a MICKEY MOUSE CUP, but to me, you must give your 100% in all competitions or else no point even participlating it.

I'm not saying it wouldn't have been nice to win UEFA Cup. There's nothing wrong with it. But the more Milan had to worry about UEFA Cup the more it distracted from the main goal of finishing in the top three in Serie A. So I wasn't upset that Milan didn't win it. With Nesta, Gattuso and Borriello out, the squad was already thin, so giving the players more rest may have been a blessing.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

You are speaking about CL success only.

Barcelona won the league two years with a CL before losing to Real in one year and tie in points with Real in another. And winning the treble this year.
Before that they have about 6 yrs of without any major trophies. But during those six years without anything, the only players that are still with the team are Xavi and Pugol.


Bayern spent 80mil and the next year they won the Domestic Double. I still think their team is still in transition but if they manage to keep Ribery and Gomez fulfill his potentail, they will be fine.

Man U, they won 6 EPL titles over the last 10 years. TO me thats pretty impressive.

Like somebody else mentioned here, noone would care about domestic league if we kept being in the Champions League finals every two years.

And you are right, I was talking about Champions League success only.