Summer mercato 2009

I would disagree with you about the money spent on failed players outweighing the talented players who have joined the club though. If it's a matter of cash value, Milan could sell Pato for 45 million euros today. And Kaka came to Milan two years after Brocchi (who Milan bought in 2001), so I'd say quite a few good players have joined Milan since then.[/quote]


In terms of monetary return Milan have been somewhat successful over the last 8 years but in terms of the ratio of poor players coming into milan against the amount of good players coming into the club Milan are suffering . true pato worth in excess of 50 million euros pirlo worth 26 million euro and kaka is obviously worth 67 million euros but stack that against oddo kaladze ronaldo emerson ba ibrahim brochi kalac legati you begin that the majority of recent signing have proved counter productive transfer fees may not be that excessive but all these player demand a wage. i truly believe with a bit more diligence that Milan could have needed to sell kaka or shevchenko

If Milan didn't buy emerson and roanldo that is 27 million euros transfer cost and 11 million euros in wages saved to buy some one like aquilani hamsik or silva. if Milan didn't buy oddo and kaladze that is 9 million in wages and bonuses saved to buy some one like brochetti or santacrose or amelia. It may be a little hindsight but these transfer mistake will be repeated for sure if we continue the same policy of just buying cheap players.

NO worries as Milan don't even have money to pay for high wages anymore.

I agree that our transfer policy last years was a failure. But I want to remind something, if I remember, Oddo was welcomed well by the fans. That shows that we could not make such judgment before we see the result (how the players bought will contribute). Nobody would call Oddo fail purchase before his switch to Milan. And for johncharles365, Aquilani/Hamsik/Silva or Santacroce/Amelia have chances to turn like an Oddo/Gila or not. So we could not judge it very much. Oddo was arguably one of the best IT fullbacks at the time we purchased him. About Gila, I need not say much more, I'm sure you understand.

Originally Posted by Ryo

I chose not to mention Pato simply because he's a given exclusion from any "bad player" list. Thiago Silva, I have only watched a few friendlies, and I really can't say much except that he hasn't impressed. I don't mention him because theres nothing much worth mentioning.

Well then why did you mention Flamini and Borriello? The fact is that you weren't listing bad players. You were saying that Flamini and Borriello were the only ones brought in the past two years who weren't "quick-fix old chess pieces."

Here's my initial post:


The proper way IS to add pieces several at a time, yet do you not see that apart from Flamini and Borriello, the past two years we've been doing nothing but buying quick-fix old chess pieces from other teams at a premium. Were we not trying to transition 3 years back? Also, when you add pieces, you normally tend to keep the pieces you value to last for most of the game, and let go of the dead-weights.

See, I told you that's what you said!

Anyone reading this would see:

a) I'm agreeing with your previous post about signings being added a few at a time.

b) I'm complaining about our deadweights, in which I mentioned players like Shevchenko, Ibram Ba, Brocchi and Emerson amongst others.

Fine, you're complaining about "deadweights." That doesn't change the fact that you said that Flamini and Boriello were the only players brought in the past two years that weren't "quick-fix old chess pieces." Maybe you don't have the obligation to name all the "quick-fix old chess pieces," but when you start naming specifically the ones who aren't and you say they're the only ones who aren't, you just can't worm your way out of that no matter how much you try. You said specifically that Flamini and Borriello were the only ones who were brought in during the past two years who didn't fit your "quick-fix old chess piece" description. Don't try to deny it because it's right there. You said it. Childishly calling me childish for calling you on your crap isn't going to change what you said, nor does it matter if you listed a thousand old broken down players Milan brought in.

As for the players you mentioned, Shevchenko was merely on loan from Chelsea for a season; Ba didn't cost anything to sign and only played in one last Coppa Italia match as a substitute so he could end his career as a Milan player before becoming a scout for the club; and Brocchi was bought by Milan in 2001, so I'm not sure why he's even on your list. What are you, 12 years old? Did you not know that Brocchi had been a Milan player for years?

I don't have an obligation to name and list each and every player here, and I've already mentioned who exactly I was talking about.

That you would pick on minor things such as which names I mention or forget to is just the same as me telling you that You ran through a whole 10 blocks of traffic lights, and you biting back with "I only went through two!". Your whole retort is besides the point and unnecessary because you aren't even arguing back, nor are you making a valid response to the main subject (in this example it would be the fact that you broke the law, not the number of times you broke it). You are merely picking at the things I say by saying how I imply this because I didn't mention this or that player.

I could go back to a few more posts of yours doing exactly just that.
Grow up, boy. You're just picking at bits and pieces of the full article, don't deny it.

I can reason with you all day and all night because thats exactly what you do and exactly how you do it.

If you want me to keep pointing your flaws out to you, feel free to tell me, because I am very,very willing to go back and dig up some more examples for you.

So you justify saying that Flamini and Borriello were the only players Milan brought in who weren't "quick-fix old chess pieces" by saying you forgot about Pato and Silva? How could you forget Pato? And I wish you would get your story straight. First you tried to justify it by saying you were only talking about summer transfers. Then when I pointed out to you that Pato was a summer transfer, you went off on some other tangent. Now I'm picking on you because you forgot.

You see, the problem isn't that you forgot or what players you did or didn't mention. The problem is that the fact that Milan has brought in Pato, Silva, Flamini and Borriello in the past two years, it kind of pokes a hole in your theory that Milan has only brought in deadweight. You can pick on all the insignificant things like Ba signing to play one game to finish his career at Milan or Brocchi returning from being on loan all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that Milan has added several young, talented players these past two years. Maybe it's not enough to suit you and maybe the fact that Milan didn't complete the 2009 summer transfer period by the end of June doesn't suit you, but that doesn't justify making such a blatantly false statement (whether you forgot or not) to make a false point.

Geez.

Since for some reason for todays players its not enough that you have 6,7 mln, play for Milan, live in Milano etc., and they desperatly need 10mln per year, for us it will be hard to bring the best players with new "callary cap".

There is also the "young team" way, but that is the Arsenal story, we dont care for that and that doesnt being CL to Milanello.

And as someone mentioned, when you win CL noone cares what is your position in a league. I'd change CL for 3 scudetti, but at this point we simply dont have such team. Its a reality.

Carlos Eduardo, I hope its a simple rumor. He is something we dont need badly.

Im still hoping for Cissokho and one midfielder ( specially Hernanes, who has won me over. But its hard to understand players playing in Brasilian league for us Europeans. Its different when you see them in Europe and when you see them playing in south america. )

P.S.

Boriello wasnt bought by Milan, he was our player for a long time. Its just we sold half of him and then we payed 9mln to get him back. Which was also funny to see coz obviousely we either missunderstood the player ( in football way ), or we missed again with those 9mln. We'll see, he was injured last year but did very good in Genova. Still I dont consider him to be a great player or a man that can lead Milan.

JUst read what JM said to the press on Channel4.
I know some of you hate him(don;t know why, as he is entertaining), he does speak truth and understand that his team is still not as good as some other teams IN Europe.
Now some of you might think, he players will react the wrong way...but I think his players will be more fire up to prove him wrong.
BTW, I just love that Harry Porter comment and Prince Charles remark-classic stuff.

Originally Posted by Dutchie-Milan

There was a report about Milan agreeing a deal with Cagliari to bring Marchetti next season to San Siro for 8 Million,he would stay this season at Cagliari to gain more experience.

Now there are again reports stating Cagliari is looking at a new goalie to replace Marchetti.

Marchetti signed permanently with Cagliari nearly two weeks ago.

Originally Posted by mrki

Carlos Eduardo, I hope its a simple rumor. He is something we dont need badly.

Why not? If he comes will be in January. Has nothing to do with the summer market and Hernanes as he plays in a different role.

Most fans welcome the best players to new clubs it is natural i bet luis fabiano comes to Milan fans will be lining the streets. Personally i didn't want oddo and i am very sceptical that fabiano will be a fantastic success. any way back to my point it is management job to recognise what a player can provide the team in the short term and in the long term. In any scenario oddo would be playing first team football for milan until 2012 where it is likely he would lack the sufficient speed to function as side back. the majority of current great milan players like inzargi nesta pirlo gattuso where all in the 22-27 age bracket when they were brought, any player outside age bracket would have to either demonstrate a fantastic array of abilities or have to full of untapped potential. at least if Milan buys player between the ages of 18-26 there is a chance of improving their abilities or still maintaining the majority of their transfer value. I struggle to think of many players who have improved and adapted their game who are over the age of 30.

Mrki you probably didnt see Carlos Eduardo play in the Bundesliga,you are underrating him badly.

The guy is just like Kaka only of course he isnt that far,but he is the right replacement for Kaka/Gorky and i really hope we could get him,great vision,great talent,fast,has a good shot and a decent cross.Very nice to watch him,he is Milan-material,im pretty sure he will be worth 24 million instead of 12 next year if you look at how the mercato is developing nowadays,i hope we get him but its true,we dont need him badly,but he would be very welcome!

As for Borriello who according to you isnt a leading man....well in CL i dont think he has the qualities to be that guy who can save us because he hasnt enough talent,but in Serie A?For sure he can be one of our most important players in Serie A,in Italy he can express himself as the man at Milan,especially against smaller teams wich we attend to have trouble with.He did great last year playing only 6 games scoring one goal,but still we were excited about him because you could clearly see we could press opponents much harder with him in the team and his workrate was incredible.

Again players are being underrate.....wake up.

Just read the interview of that son of a ***** of a Mourinho,really my blood just boiles when i read the stuff he says,like that he doesnt care if Carlo wins something because he hasnt won for years....the arrogance,i want him lose badly,really badly like against Atalanta

Originally Posted by Dutchie-Milan

Just read the interview of that son of a ***** of a Mourinho,really my blood just boiles when i read the stuff he says,like that he doesnt care if Carlo wins something because he hasnt won for years....the arrogance,i want him lose badly,really badly like against Atalanta

Ah, he's not worth worrying about. That's the way he is. Besides, Carlo has won the Champions League since Mourinho has.

Of course going to say that if Carlo is able to get jose 30 year old side to win the champions league jose will look inferior. Instead of inter losing i would prefer jose to storm out of the club accusing of acts criminality and unethical behaviour, this would definitely make the inter fans cry.

Originally Posted by Rick

You see, the problem isn't that you forgot or what players you did or didn't mention. The problem is that the fact that Milan has brought in Pato, Silva, Flamini and Borriello in the past two years, it kind of pokes a hole in your theory that Milan has only brought in deadweight. You can pick on all the insignificant things like Ba signing to play one game to finish his career at Milan or Brocchi returning from being on loan all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that Milan has added several young, talented players these past two years. Maybe it's not enough to suit you and maybe the fact that Milan didn't complete the 2009 summer transfer period by the end of June doesn't suit you, but that doesn't justify making such a blatantly false statement (whether you forgot or not) to make a false point.

Geez.

Read the above, boy. I don't have to mention everyone, nor do I need to.

When did I talk about us ONLY bringing in deadweight? I'm saying that the deadweight outweights the number of actual talented, young players we brought in. I've mentioned in my posts time and again which ones I consider talents, and which ones I consider deadweights. The fact that I've not mentioned some players in one post does not detract from the fact that I've mentioned them before in this forum. That you chose to take one single post and nitpick on minor details that have nothing to do with the main argument in question, makes your picking at insignificant things comment a farce. It's like your talking about $hit, when $hits coming outta your mouth man.

Youngsters suit me fine, I never said once in my posts that I prefer older players. I was always for the youngsters. I was pissed as hell Gorky got loaned out to Bordeaux on a stupid contract. You're tho one who just chooses to misinterpret everything I say to fit your statements. The one making blatantly false accusations here is you. You're the only one here that thinks I want the mercato to end in June, ONLY YOU. I never mentioned anything like that at all. The fact that you come up with those accusations makes you more of a blatant lier than any slight I make in not mentioning one or two names.

Now stop actiing like a child and just admit you were wrong.

Your can't argue about mistakes when you're making them in the first place.

Can we stop the stupid discussions,it looks like you are holding a competition to see who can keep doing what you are doing right now until the end,it looks rather like a sort of fight than a disscusion,stop please.

The formation for the Verona game according to TMW: Nesta and Silva in defence,Rhino,Ambro,Flamini in midfield,aaaand Slowdorf as trequertista behind Inzaghi and Ronaldinho.

How late will be the match played in Italy???