Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by M.O.I.

obviously you are not aware of what the pre-season means for a club..

Good lord. Very few clubs start the season with the same squad they started training with. Almost every club will make some sort of transfer move between now and the end of August. So how does it put Milan so far behind to be the same as other clubs? Chances are that whatever players Milan buys between now and the end of August are already training with another club. Fitness, therefore, should not be a problem. It's just a matter of easing into the Milan system. And if Milan plays a more common 4-3-3, that will be less of a problem than it's been in the past as Milan has played an unusual system. So then it's just a matter of getting used to the player's new teammates. Believe me, if Milan brings in a couple of players in August, they will not have already been relegated to Serie C2 by the time the new players are up to speed. There's already a pretty good team there as it is.

u may say whatever you want for me those signings do not reinforce us by any means,we had a lot more serious problems than our depth last year dude..and who said we have more depth with gooch and TS(paolo and senderos left you know..),till now we re weaker than last year!!even our depth..

Paolo is 41 years old. Even though he did some amazing things last year for a player his age (like even be on the pitch), it was still obvious that he could no longer stay with quicker forwards. Senderos was awful. Do you really think we would be better off with Maldini and Senderos this season than with Gooch and Silva? Plus there's at least a reasonable chance that Nesta and Kaladze will be healthy. So it looks as though instead of starting Favalli half the time, he might actually be more like the 5th or 6th option.

who said that beckham was a good move?i wrote hundreds o posts saying that it was an "unfair" sign for all the other players,because of the treatment he had(he started against roma in olipmico,with 3 days training!!)..that doesnt mean that anyone can start playing with 3 days of training..your exapmle is just making my arguments stronger that we re run by scums..

Whether or not signing Beckham was a good move or a bad move is completely irrelevant to my point. My point was that Beckham joined the team in January (after ending his MLS season at the end of October) and was still able to play very well in his earliest matches (it was only later in the season that he tailed off). So there is no reason that Milan couldn't buy a player in August who is actually already in training and playing summer friendlies for another club and have him be ready to contribute quickly.

saying that loosing gourcuf,was last year's mistake is just another illusion you have,gourcuf was THIS year league one's MVP,and if we wanted we could have convinced him to stay,we re milan not palermo my friend,dont be confused..

I don't care who Milan is or isn't, when a player hasn't been successful in two full seasons with a club and maybe feels as though he didn't get the opportunity he deserved, he's going to move on to a new opportunity if he gets that chance. By signing with Bordeaux, Gourcuff not only gets to continue playing regularly (rather than being behind Pirlo and competing with a glut of midfielders at Milan for playing time), but he also has a chance to move to any club he wants if he repeats the success he had at Bordeaux last year. Sorry, but Gourcuff actually did the right thing for himself by exercising his option to stay at Bordeaux. Why should he want to go back to a club where he was a part-time player for two seasons? And you can't fault Milan for Gourcuff being only a part-time player because he wasn't yet ready and wasn't as good as the players who were playing ahead of him. If there is any fault with Milan it's that maybe, in hindsight (which is always 20/20), have loaned him out as soon as they bought him in the first place or at least a year sooner than they did.

So, Milan couldn't just walk in and say "We're Milan! You're coming back with us!" The agreement signed last summer -- which I seriously doubt you were b1tching about at the time -- gave Gourcuff the right to stay at Bordeaux and the club the right to purchase him. This summer, Milan's hands were tied. There is nothing they could have said or done to change Gourcuff's mind unless maybe they guaranteed him a full-time starting role -- which is something they should never do.

TMW are reporting about a possible swap deal between us and Fiorentina wich would see us losing Oddo for LB Paspual,would like to see this going trough,we would lose deadweight and solve the current LB issue

Originally Posted by Dutchie-Milan

TMW are reporting about a possible swap deal between us and Fiorentina wich would see us losing Oddo for LB Paspual,would like to see this going trough,we would lose deadweight and solve the current LB issue

Is Pasqual Milan level though?


Hernanes would be a dream.

Yes he is Luca,he is an upgrade if you look at what we have and he has a great left footer,he is at least a better player than Juve-target Grosso but still i wouldnt mind seeing Albertazzi on the leftflank at all but thats just me....

Originally Posted by mrki

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/juven...idnotizia=6737

Grosso, according to this, will be Juve player next week and Cissokho will be signed by Lyon for 12mln. Lets see what heppanes and in the end will Galliani miss a great young player or maybe not becouse of 3 mln. Lyon has 12mln deal done.

Braida is in Brasil for Hernanes, then we'll sell Pirlo to finance Hernanes deal.

Thanks for the update buddy and don't let the idiots who are insulting you get to you. I know you are a good guy and a great milanista....if people want to blind themselves let them go watch Annie

I wish we could Hijack Wolfsburg's Nilmar transfer though but we seem absolutely toothless and pathetic on the mercato

Ok - I'll be responding with lots of you guys comments, so 'find yourself' here lol

Originally Posted by mrki

We made so much mistakes in mercato in past 3,4 years, and this summer we screwed it up untill the bottom. Buying few young players and using nice words as "new circle" is not a right direction. Its a patch up for sales of our best player and our most talented young player.

I think there is an issue here: I think I remember starting from a few years ago, we are always crying for 'too old the squad', and stuff like that. Yet now, we are not content with 'few young players'. Is it fair?

NOTE: Not saying that the management is doing the right thing, but what are we fans expecting?

Originally Posted by Saliwonczyk

If Milan is willing to spend atleast half of our sales on purchases before transfer end (assuming they just didn't put aside Gourcuff's transfer fee for our total transfers...), then there is still plenty we can do with that. We would have atleast 20 million to spend. With that cash, we can split the money between a winger and a CB. These players don't need to be superstars in anyway, but potential players.
As for a GK, Storari is suprisingly in high demand, and will probably go for a price above his actual worth. With that, we can probably secure a young GK, who may be able to push Abbiatti and hopefully Marchetti (if reports are true) in years to come....

Then, there is the minute possibility that Berlu will pull 15 million of his own money, as so we can chase Van der Vart, and buy a decent full back instead.... But then again, the sale of Storari will be profitable and help o towards a decent CB or a young GK if Berlu as president, decides not to invest one cent.

I think there are more restrictions than just spending money and get the players. I don't think it's THAT simple. yes, Real shows you that money can do everything, but that's irrational to say the least with, alas, few record of success in the past (if I remember correctly, last Galaxy ends up in failure, but I may be wrong). I think it'll be a bit over-the-board to argue from a financial perspective: we really don't have a good idea about Milan's finance. Worse still, by the end of the day, we are just fans, while Berlu is the owner: he can do whatever he wants with the money, including to throw some naked parties.

ON another note: please try keeping your thoughts in one posts (like what I"m doing): just easier to read, you know.

Originally Posted by Rick

First of all, I'm more interested in bringing in the right players than bringing in the quick and easy players.

Agree.

Originally Posted by johncharles365

Milan really should of completed the transfer of cissokho rather than positioning for a better deal. milan really should of had agreement in place for players before we sold kaka. Arsenal have similar financial constraints to Milan as they seem to be bidding an buying players Milan have been incredibly slow to take advantage of the opportunities in the market

I agree about Cissokho; the saga may not be over yet. A little bit of patience is warranted.

Originally Posted by Rick

Also, it's silly to keep harping on Gourcuff. If Gourcuff was a transfer market mistake, then he was a transfer market mistake LAST YEAR because that's when the agreement for the option to buy was signed. At that time, nobody was ready to jump off a bridge because Milan had loaned out Gourcuff with a 15 million euro option to buy. He hadn't done crap in two seasons with Milan.

Originally Posted by M.O.I.

saying that loosing gourcuf,was last year's mistake is just another illusion you have,gourcuf was THIS year league one's MVP,and if we wanted we could have convinced him to stay,we re milan not palermo my friend,dont be confused..

Gourcuff's case is called "sunk cost". We already lost him when setting the 15M range.

Also, I think Galliani and Leo (who traveled to France together) did try convincing Gourcuff, who decided to switch team. But it didn't work out. Case close.

The clause, however, is set a year ago, so yes that mistake had already been made a year ago; it could have been a no-buy-out clause (but I don't know how many people will agree with not selling Gourcuff at that time).

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And to everyone here:

Originally Posted by Rick

Listen, ...

Sometimes, it just takes a bit of an effort to overcome that intensity of emotions to react and then become a bit more rational again. please maintain this place as a friendly environment for discussion.

Cheers,
J

Originally Posted by Rossoneri Fuego

THIS IS A LONG POST BUT PLEASE READ!!...SO PLEASE READ MY VERY EXTENSIVE BREAKDOWN AND ANALYSIS!!

Dude, easy on the chest-thumping. And there's really no need to put all your posts in bold.

Originally Posted by Saliwoncyzk

sell Kalac

To whom, exactly?

Originally Posted by ZvonimirBoban

Mrki, I don't understand Italian so is this in tuttomercato or just your another negative fantasy?

No, I have put tuttomercato link for something completely different and then out of nowhere I talked directly about Cissokho, Grosso, Lyon, 12 mln... which are all mentioned in the article. And, as far as I know, names are always the same. Except for the pope who's name is being translated for some reason.

Yes, its in an article I didnt made it up. Now time will tell am I pesimistic or you are naive.

Originally Posted by Dutchie-Milan

I have a question,i live in Holland and i only have RAI UNO from italy on TV,does anyone knows whether they broadcast games from Milan this season in CL or Serie A or do they only show highlights?

Dutchie, to watch serie A live you have to pay, even if you are in Italy.

Rai TV cannot show direct matches from the Italian league.
Only Sky Sport, and Mediaset Premium show the games.
May be you can watch Coppa Italia, but it can be on Rai 2 or 3.

Try to invest in a Sattellite box. Here in Malta some people use are watching it from this, but I don't know what Cam do you need.

I am useing a Cable TV as they are the only ones to have rights.

Originally Posted by Jeff

Ok - I'll be responding with lots of you guys comments, so 'find yourself' here lol



I think there is an issue here: I think I remember starting from a few years ago, we are always crying for 'too old the squad', and stuff like that. Yet now, we are not content with 'few young players'. Is it fair?

NOTE: Not saying that the management is doing the right thing, but what are we fans expecting?



I think there are more restrictions than just spending money and get the players. I don't think it's THAT simple. yes, Real shows you that money can do everything, but that's irrational to say the least with, alas, few record of success in the past (if I remember correctly, last Galaxy ends up in failure, but I may be wrong). I think it'll be a bit over-the-board to argue from a financial perspective: we really don't have a good idea about Milan's finance. Worse still, by the end of the day, we are just fans, while Berlu is the owner: he can do whatever he wants with the money, including to throw some naked parties.

ON another note: please try keeping your thoughts in one posts (like what I"m doing): just easier to read, you know.



Agree.



I agree about Cissokho; the saga may not be over yet. A little bit of patience is warranted.





Gourcuff's case is called "sunk cost". We already lost him when setting the 15M range.

Also, I think Galliani and Leo (who traveled to France together) did try convincing Gourcuff, who decided to switch team. But it didn't work out. Case close.

The clause, however, is set a year ago, so yes that mistake had already been made a year ago; it could have been a no-buy-out clause (but I don't know how many people will agree with not selling Gourcuff at that time).

***

And to everyone here:





Sometimes, it just takes a bit of an effort to overcome that intensity of emotions to react and then become a bit more rational again. please maintain this place as a friendly environment for discussion.

Cheers,
J

Some excellent points Jeff.

And I had missed this comment by johncharles:

Arsenal have similar financial constraints to Milan as they seem to be bidding an buying players Milan have been incredibly slow to take advantage of the opportunities in the market

So I just want to point out that Arsenal has signed only one player, Thomas Vermaelen, a defender from Ajax. Like Milan, they've been linked to plenty of players, but they're still looking. Arsenal is especially in the market for a tough-tackling DM. They lost out on Melo, so now they're still looking around.

In fact, I was just reading an article the other day about how incredibly slow the transfer market has been for the entire English Premier League this summer. Their new tax laws are (like Italy) making it difficult for them to sign top players from outside. Not only has Arsenal signed just one player, but Chelsea has signed only one who is likely to get much PT on the senior squad (Zhirkov). The same for Liverpool (Glen Johnson). Manchester United has brought in three players now, but has spent very little of the money they got for Ronaldo in doing it (one was a free transfer and another cost only 3 million pounds). Neither Tottenham nor Aston Villa have signed anyone (despite losing several players each, including Gareth Barry for Villa). Everton's biggest move has been to extend Jo's loan deal (although they did sign a DM from the fourth division of U.S. soccer ). Manchester City, with all their Middle Eastern billions, has failed thus far in their efforts to sign "big name" players (although they signed a couple of really good players in Barry and Santa Cruz).

So it looks as though the economy and some other factors have made the transfer market difficult for almost everyone.

thanx Maltese,i think ill just stick with the internet

Originally Posted by Maltese Charlie

Dutchie, to watch serie A live you have to pay, even if you are in Italy.

Rai TV cannot show direct matches from the Italian league.
Only Sky Sport, and Mediaset Premium show the games.
May be you can watch Coppa Italia, but it can be on Rai 2 or 3.

Try to invest in a Sattellite box. Here in Malta some people use are watching it from this, but I don't know what Cam do you need.

I am useing a Cable TV as they are the only ones to have rights.

I feel quite lucky to watch Milan for free (live) almost every week on Fox Soccer Channel, which is part of my digital cable lineup. As Yakov Smirnoff used to say, "America! What a country!"

So we're leading 0-1 Pippo scored

Dutchie you are welcome!


At 21 hrs Milan channel will show the Match against Varese and Berlusconi is watching the game and earlier he went to Milanello by his helicopter to support the team.

Waiting for his after the match comments.

hahahaha rick you lucky fox,i have some arabic channels like al jazeera,Milan is popular in Middle-East so fingers crossed maybe they will broadcast some games.