Summer mercato 2009

Adriano would have been nice a few years ago when Kaka was here. What we need now is a guarantee rather than a risk. We are already taking enough risks with Leonardo and Ronaldinho, I think its time we try to sign something concrete. And yeah I agree with everyone that we have come an embarrassment to the world (mainly due to Galliani's ways of negotiation).

And guys keep in mind that when we sold Kaka, we also freed ourselves from the highest paid player in the world, so we made quite alot of money as well. Not to mention the sales of Gourcuff, Shevchenko as well, and the CL win 2 years ago. I'm convinced we have plenty, plenty of money... We just don't know in who's pocket it is all going..... If they want to buy cheap players then they should already start by getting Santacroce and Rosina, if they want world-class strikers then its about time they open their wallets and buy someone like Dzeko or Aguero (and what the hell has happened to the money that Atletico owe us?).

You guys are in the middle of long-ish discussions so I will not jump in right now. But good posts and nice to see such discussions back in here.

So today we are linked with all the players, you just imagine and he is linked with AC Milan. In reality probably Milan will make another bid ( as tuttomercato says ) with 18mln for Fabiano. And we'll go for Hernanes when we sell Pirlo.

Aldough I was hugely dissapointed with Pirlo is past 2 years and his attitute ( not only the way he "moved" ), I think that this year we'll need Pirlo and that, in my oppinion, Milan needs both - Pirlo and Hernanes.

We have lost a lot of quality and replacing player for player will not help us much now. If Hernanes is really available for 10 mln, not to buy him would be a sin. But we probably offered already all the 4mln we have

Season will be long and its dangerous to rely on Seedorf, Dinhom, Ambro to be capable of playing huge ammounts of games. We could use bigger number of quality players in smaller number of games, so that we use quality and not only quantity.
Plus, the football Leo intends to play, looks like 2 touch modern stile football. Assuming and looking at the trainings that he uses now. But you cant play that with washed out players.

Also there is a rumor that Eto'o was in Milano... For me he is a complete beast and a Cf capable of scoring 25 goals anywhere, but his wage demands are sick.

About Dinho's form - be real, the treviso boys had no right to touch him, that game is not a standard for anything. Plus, he was horrible for first 40min.

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Hitmann - we have so much money that Milan can buy almost any player in the world. But now Milan owrks like economical firm, without loses. Which is also a question becouse to me it seems we work to be in plus even, not just on a zero point.

There will also be 20mln now for CL, maybe Pirlo money etc. those statemants about crisis, money problems etc are simply lies in which Berlusconi says he is done with spending his money on Mlan. In today's football, and with such "brilliant" scout/GM as Galliani, that means no more CL suscess in this club.

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Eric, I believe the Hernanes case is to do with Sao Paulo letting go of Hernanes for 10m is to do with them being realistic about price (many saying that Ramires going for 7.5m is an indicator of the Brazilian market right now) and his drop in form over the past year. It could also well be that he wants to leave for Europe.

Anyway, I think the argument here is valid from both sides. Those who say the squad is incomplete and the management really have to get into gear are correct, our squad is relatively weak compared to where we need to be (to be fit to at least compete in Scudetto and CL).

It's not so much just a case of the first team missing players (which it is), but the squad in general needs strengthening to have depth, so should players be missing we have good backups or we can rotate.

That said, Rick makes a good point, the market will continue until the end of August and we should wait to see what management do in that time. It is ideal to get reinforcements early so they can gel into the squad, but should Galliani's prediction be correct and market prices drop next month, then I can't blame him for playing the waiting game. In the end, it just means new players will have to work that little extra to gel or we'd have to wait roughly an extra month for them to gel.

However, looking at the market I know what my immediate targets would be. Hernanes for 10m is an immediate purchase AND I'd look to keep Pirlo. Fact is Gattuso's been out over half a season now and on his return has looked out of sorts. In the past 2 years he's been off form for one, was amazing for about a 1/3 and then injured the rest of the time, which isn't a good indicator for the new season. With Hernanes we can use Flamini in Rino's if need be and Hernanes alongside him. In addition, should we fail to secure a fullback (a role we need for a starting position imo), then we may be forced to use Flamini in the wide areas again, thus having Rino and Hernanes in midfield.

Some can argue I'm not factoring Ambrosini into the picture, but I consider his inconsistency pushing forward and inability to cover ground like Rino or Flamini reasons to not consider him a regular starter in one of the midfield roles.

After/Along with Hernanes I'd target Santacroce as an immediate target. I know I've gone on about him for half a year to a year now, but let's be realistic, the guy is currently valued at around 6m according to reports and his starting role at Napoli is in jeopardy due to the arrival of Campagnaro and Zuniga. He looks prepared to move (as his agent confirmed), so not going for him is just stupid.

Quite frankly, the thought that we could secure two important forward thinking acquisitions for less than 20m is enticing and surely a must for the club if possible.

Then we'd need a striker and a starting fullback imo. I simply don't trust Borriello as a regular yet, and even if he comes good, we need more than Pippo on the bench. As for fullbacks, I'd like to believe Albertazzi is our next Maldini or our equivalent of Santon, but realistically it's unlikely and I simply don't believe Janku or Antonini are good enough to regularly play. Unless the management know something we don't about what we have (read: Albertazzi), we need a new fullback. I've mentioned Flamini can play the role too, but I'd rather not go into contigency plans before the season has started.

Yes, for sure Hernanes would be an immediate purchase for 10 million if everything is still NORMAL...... Keep Pirlo as well? Maybe.....

In fact, if the Hernanes we get is fine, sell Pirlo for 25 million or so, as so we can spend properly on a striker and a CB. What you said is great, but where the hell would we get the money needed for a prospect like Santacore? I prefer Italian CBs over Brazilian ones such as Miranda.... Let's face it: Hernanes is a young emerging talent who is more rounded than Pirlo in the roles he can play. pirlo, unless he can experience some kind of wonderful renaissance, is a dying force. Better cash in on him right now whilst we can..... To be honest yet harsh, perhaps it was the right time to cash in on Kaka as well.... He was injury riddled yet still massive offers were coming in. We also had the perfect replacement in Gourcuff, but of course you know what happened there..... Undertstandibly, some will diagree!

Trust me, Flamini is a man of ambition, which is why he left Arsenal. He won't put up playing in defense regularily, but atleast he is an option.....

Happy to hear about our chase for the Corinthian GK..... Hopefully, we can lift the burden of Dida off our shoulders by including him in a swap.....
Might be a bit harsh, but his masisve wages no longer match his contribution. Many other players in our squad are like that as well!

**** Inter just bought Lucio!

It's time to panic (joking!)


Calcio Debate EXCLUSIVE: Milan Have No Money, Andrea Pirlo Will Leave & They Won’t Qualify For Champions League
Goal.com Italia editors Fabrizio Ponciroli and Sergio Stanco explain the economic problems behind Milan’s miserable summer, and advise all Rossoneri supporters to fear the worst next season…
16 Jul 2009 11:00:17
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Milan fans have had to look on enviously as Juventus and Inter splash the cash this summer. The Bianconeri have conducted a truly outstanding campaign thus far, signing Brazilians Felipe Melo and Diego, as well as Italy captain Fabio Cannavaro. Inter, meanwhile, have strengthened by snapping up Genoa star duo Diego Milito and Thiago Motta.

The Rossoneri, though, have made just one purchase – 27-year-old United States defender Oguchi Onyewu on a free transfer from Standard Liege. The signing of Porto left back Aly Cissokho fell through in mysterious circumstances, with many arguing that Milan invented a problem with the Frenchman’s teeth in order to try and lower the transfer fee.

Speculation has been widespread that Milan are in serious debt, and that it is unlikely that much of the €68m received from Real Madrid for Kaka will be spent on new players. Fans are becoming restless, with riots in the fashion capital, and Milan's chances of success this season look slim at this current moment.

Goal.com Italia editors Fabrizio Ponciroli and Sergio Stanco, who are both close to the situation at Milan, can exclusively reveal what is really going on. And it is depressing reading…

“Milan have no money,” asserted Ponciroli.

“They sold Kakà because they needed money and they have no money to invest.

“Unfortunately, Milan will be just a ‘normal’ club for the next one or two seasons.

“President Silvio Berlusconi has a lot of problems in Italy and he can't help Milan, as he has done in the past.

“I don’t think Milan will qualify for the Champions League this year.”

Stanco is also less than optimistic over Milan’s short-term future.

“One of the most important problems at Milan is not that Berlusconi doesn’t have money, but that he won’t spend it,” he explained.

“The economic crisis that we are experiencing is hurting everybody, and the head of the Italian government, who has a public position, must be an example to his country.

“Moreover, he has many companies. How can he say to people: ‘sorry we have to fire you in order to spend millions of euros on players for Milan’?

“Even Berlusconi’s children won’t allow him to spend money on Milan, and they are always telling him to sell the club.”

So, if Berlusconi has no intention of spending any more money, thus ensuring that Milan have no chance of challenging for major honours, why will he not entertain the idea of selling the club?

“Berlusconi loves Milan, it is his creature,” Ponciroli stressed.

“In Italy he is best known as President of Milan. He will never sell Milan.”

This is a view echoed by Stanco, who added: “Milan is Berlusconi’s toy.”

“Even if he did want to sell, no one would want to buy an Italian team in the current climate. There are too many problems, and too few profits.

“If a rich Sheikh came to Italy to try and buy a club, it is hard to see everyone allowing it to happen for obvious reasons. Once one club is sold, then all the others will have to sell too in order to close the gap.”

So how much money, if any, will Milan actually spend this summer?

“A maximum of €12-15 million,” believes Ponciroli.

“Only Luis Fabiano can arrive, and I believe that Andrea Pirlo will also be sold to Chelsea.”

Stanco has offered Milan fans slightly more hope, but only slightly. “It's really difficult to forecast who Milan will buy because it's Berlusconi's toy,” he continues.

“He always says he will buy nobody (pressed by his family) but at the end (as occurred with Alessandro Nesta and Ronaldinho) he treats himself to a gift.

“Having said this, I think this summer it will be very difficult to spend much. If they sell Pirlo, which I believe they will, it is possible they could then go and invest €30m in the market.

“They will only buy a forward like Luis Fabiano, and a cheaper, younger Pirlo replacement, like Hernanes or Cristian Ledesma, who will become a backup for Clarence Seedorf. If there is still money, maybe a left back can arrive."

With Milan falling significantly behind Inter and Juventus, the likes of Napoli, Genoa and Palermo conducting excellent transfer campaigns, Fiorentina still competitive, and Roma ready to bounce back, the Rossoneri could be facing the very real prospect of not only another trophyless campaign, but a failure to make the Top 4 in Serie A too.

What are your views on Milan’s financial problems? Is the Rossoneri’s short-term future at stake due to their transfer struggles? Will they fail to qualify for the Champions League next season? Goal.com wants to know what YOU think…

Carlo Garganese, Goal.com

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BREAKING NEWS: Bayern Munich Defender Lucio Joins Inter - OFFICIAL
Bayern Munich have confirmed Brazilian defender Lucio will join Inter on a three year deal...
16 Jul 2009 11:28:56
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Bundesliga: FC Bayern München - Eintracht Frankfurt, Lucio (firo)A statement on the German club's official website reads:

"After a trophy-laden five-year spell at Bayern, Brazil captain Lucio is leaving Munich to join Italian champions Inter.

"On Thursday, the centre-half and the FCB board of directors agreed to cancel the player’s contract ahead of its scheduled expiry on 30 June 2010.

"The 31-year-old, who will sign a three-year deal with the north Italian club coached by Jose Mourinho, moves for an undisclosed fee.

"Lucio switched to Bayern from Bayer Leverkusen in summer 2004. In the last five seasons, the Brazilian scored seven goals in 144 Bundesliga appearances for Munich. He was part of the league and cup double-winning sides in 2005, 2006 and 2008."

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Ah well, he is far from a gun CB, but still good.... Would have been happy to have him mysefl for Milan....

Another smart signing from Inter. They are building an awesome team, and they have kept their best players.

Like a proper big club.

Milito, Motta, and now Lucio. All solid signings.

Hhaahahaha Oh my god i am laughing right now out of nerves,Inter bought Lucio,and we got Onyewu,while our defense is more **** then theirs,hahahahaaha what the **** can we do.....If that interview of goal.com contains the truth then were serious ****ed!

Originally Posted by Hasan Rossonero

Another smart signing from Inter. They are building an awesome team, and they have kept their best players.

Like a proper big club.

Milito, Motta, and now Lucio. All solid signings.

I guess the Calcio Debate really sums up Milan and the short-term future. Berlu, it's no longer a matter of maintaining your image mate! Can't you see you are risking a symbol of soccer? I beg you to leave or start to atleast give more attention..... You may be busy, yet Galliani is doing little in your abscence....

Originally Posted by Dutchie-Milan

Hhaahahaha Oh my god i am laughing right now out of nerves,Inter bought Lucio,and we got Onyewu,while our defense is more **** then theirs,hahahahaaha what the **** can we do.....If that interview of goal.com contains the truth then were serious ****ed!

We have been discussing this for ages.....

In truth, having Hernanes at a 10 million price tag means we can keep Pirlo as well. There is still PLENTY of Brazilian talent out there if our scouts are looking in the right places. They come cheap as well

But dont you know it already,they arent going to buy players unless somebody leaves!Hernanes IN,Pirlo OUT,thats the way they are going to do it,then they will also save money so that Berlu can stick it his pocket.

Berlu has to leave ASAP,Ultra´s in Milano have to stand up now

Originally Posted by Saliwonczyk

I guess the Calcio Debate really sums up Milan and the short-term future. Berlu, it's no longer a matter of maintaining your image mate! Can't you see you are risking a symbol of soccer? I beg you to leave or start to atleast give more attention..... You may be busy, yet Galliani is doing little in your abscence....

The thing is man, Berlusconi is sort of a criminal, who is the teflon don of politics. He has been accused of the most sordid crimes, but manages to somehow stay out of jail. He has been accused of bribing, for example. He is an embarrassment to many decent Italians. My friends who live in Italy are ashamed that he represents them in Europe. Still, his opposition is so impotent and third-rate that he looks like a proper king.

He is also a bigot with a paranoid level of obsession with communists. Like I'm talking about almost a throwback to the McCarthy era. He has managed to erode fundamental civil liberties in a modern, first world nation like Italy. I think their press freedom (considering how much he owns) is probably lower than some developing countries.

So, he will not leave not because he loves Milan (he probably doesn't love anything without inchoate mammary glands), but because he knows that Milan has not yet been exhausted of its political potential. I think selling to an Arab sheikhs, who in his universe represent a primitive culture (having orgies at villas is apparently progressive), is about as likely as him taking a vow of celibacy.

Moratti is certainly not as shrewd as Berlusconi, but he loves Inter, and his spending shows it.

So, I try to reconcile Berlusconi's wretchedness with my love for my club everyday. Sometimes my conscience cannot bear it. But I have been critical of him even when he was spending. If you expect a modicum of decency and honesty from Berlusconi, I would exhale.

Lucio??can it get anymore worse?
we needed lucio too..he would prefer joining us by miles instead of inter(as we have so many brasilians and Leo)..some here will start posting how he is old and not needed just like milito and motta..Wake up people..

we re becoming a middle class team,we dont have to w8 anymore,dont u see it?everyone is reinforcing so bad,and we lost our best player we have 80mil to spend,and we cannot convince any team for any player,all of them are talking about insulting offers..

Originally Posted by M.O.I.

Lucio??can it get anymore worse?
we needed lucio too..he would prefer joining us by miles instead of inter(as we have so many brasilians and Leo)..some here will start posting how he is old and not needed just like milito and motta..Wake up people..

we re becoming a middle class team,we dont have to w8 anymore,dont u see it?everyone is reinforcing so bad,and we lost our best player we have 80mil to spend,and we cannot convince any team for any player,all of them are talking about insulting offers..

Please, I am beginning to regret posting the article about Milan's woefulness. We need to think of how to improve the team with the limited resources we have instead of being too much "doom and gloom." If Hernanes coming at 10 million is true, then we can keep both him and Pirlo. However, if Pirlo leaves, we can get ourselves a nice bonus such as a CB. Dida should leave now to swap for the Corinthian GK.

Inter is really strong now,Lucio,Motta and Milito those are players that are really adding something.

You can say everything you want about D.Milito,but truth is he scores 18 goals each season,look at his scoringcharts in Spain and in Italy.....

Motta is crap.

Lucio is a beast IMO,really really solid defender,i dont know how somebody can get past him without losing the ball,he is a rock.

We are screwed,i keep seeing stuff like Hernanes is 10 million so we will keep Pirlo!Well i dont think so,Hernanes coming means Pirlo going,period,even if Hernanes cost 1 million,the MGT will sell Andrea so that they can use the money for their pockets....or books....