Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Bosniaco

i like how our excuses every year are tiredness and "we are behind in the preparations", and other teams are not? We need to ask our selfs, how is Inter or Juve in better shape than us and they are wining all the friendlies.

Make a great point. But this year it might actualy be true. New coach, new faces (young players), and NO KAKA and MALDINI. But others have started to say what i've been thinking, Leo needs to start the rest of the friendlies with a starting eleven squad for them to get a feel for each other.

Originally Posted by OCmilano

Make a great point. But this year it might actualy be true. New coach, new faces (young players), and NO KAKA and MALDINI. But others have started to say what i've been thinking, Leo needs to start the rest of the friendlies with a starting eleven squad for them to get a feel for each other.

I got to say this, Rino, Ambro, Pirlo, Seedorf, know each other for years now. Dinho second season. Just the moral of team is low low low since Kaka left. We shouldn't have never sold Kaka without securing Diego. Juve had him in the bag in January.

We need a big player to lift other players and get the team going. I really don't see a player out there available of that caliber.

I'm sorry it just makes so mad to Diego play for Juve and we sold Kaka.

What a hole Milan are in

But can we say we didn't see this coming?

We came off a bad season, knowing all season long we needed to rebuild the team.

Then, we sell our best player.

And haven't signed anyone of Milan quality over this past month.

Did anyone expect us to do any better?

Against Chelsea we seemed okay.

I read Berlusconi said we are close to signing a young Brazilian midfielder. I don't know if its true it could be bad translation. But possible Hernanes?

Three signings of quality is all Milan really needs to have energy.

Hernanes, FB, Striker.

Ronaldinho is a great addition to the team, but he isn't the quality to be the focal point of the twam.

How long are they seemingly going to wait though? You can't just throw in 3 players in a team 1 week out from the season and expect results. Pre season was the perfect time to do this, like every other club in the world has done.
But ill say again what i've said before, we can't just blame the management, Its an inflated market, its been hard for all clubs to get good deals this summer. EVERY player is grossly over-priced. We will thank them for keeping the money in future seasons.

But then again... Galliani is the king of the "smoke screen", we will get a surprise in the next week for sure.

Originally Posted by Codino

How long are they seemingly going to wait though? You can't just throw in 3 players in a team 1 week out from the season and expect results. Pre season was the perfect time to do this, like every other club in the world has done.
But ill say again what i've said before, we can't just blame the management, Its an inflated market, its been hard for all clubs to get good deals this summer. EVERY player is grossly over-priced. We will thank them for keeping the money in future seasons.

But then again... Galliani is the king of the "smoke screen", we will get a surprise in the next week for sure.

The trouble Milan is in goes far beyond this transfer market, Milan should have started slowly integrating youth slowly years ago, and if they did we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today where we practically have a handfull of players that can cut it.

Why so soon?

Don't worry, Milan will do well at the end. Just don't expect them to win anything and might even get knock out of CL group stage.

A week or two difference in terms of physical fitness and preparedness, especially considering the new manager and tactical systems that Leonardo wants to use, means a world of difference.

It's not about whether Ambro, Seedorf, Pirlo, etc can play together. We know they can. The question is do they have time to learn a new system in time to play well together now? That is why I asked, should we be talking about how this year we should stick to our trusty 4-3-2-1, or are the players that are supposedly going to come sometime going to allow us to play Leonardo's 4-3-1-2?

Originally Posted by Luca03

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The trouble Milan is in goes far beyond this transfer market, Milan should have started slowly integrating youth slowly years ago, and if they did we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today where we practically have a handfull of players that can cut it.

Why so soon?*

Yeah i do agree with that as well. Especially as the past two seasons we haven't dominated or challenged like we have all been used too, so it would of been a good option to introduce a few more besides pato, paloschi etc.
But remember back to the 96-97, 97-98 seasons, now those were bad times. We bounced back from there, but we may have needed the slump to assess things differently. It wasn't a total overhaul of the squad just a few missing pieces.

*haha yeah i was exaggerating.

Originally Posted by Luca03

What a hole Milan are in

But can we say we didn't see this coming?

We came off a bad season, knowing all season long we needed to rebuild the team.

Then, we sell our best player.

And haven't signed anyone of Milan quality over this past month.

Did anyone expect us to do any better?

Against Chelsea we seemed okay.

I read Berlusconi said we are close to signing a young Brazilian midfielder. I don't know if its true it could be bad translation. But possible Hernanes?

Three signings of quality is all Milan really needs to have energy.

Hernanes, FB, Striker.

Ronaldinho is a great addition to the team, but he isn't the quality to be the focal point of the twam.

good post!

I'd like to add, I know that many will say that as professional footballers, they should be able to play in different systems. Yes, that's very true of all these players. However, the question is not about whether they can play in other systems, but what system would best suit the players at our disposal now.

Complaining about how Milan conducted themselves in the transfer market is fine and dandy. The reality is that most of the time, Milan tends to get the right players. People talk about Juventus, they have Zebina, Poulsen, Almiron, and Tiago on their books. Inter are the king pin of the revolving door, and they still don't have the one thing they need: an attacking midfielder.

When Gila came, who would have thought he would be as inconsistent as he was? Ricardo Olivera had his family being kidnapped, have your mother kidnapped and see how well you can focus on anything, and if you can, that means you obviously don't care enough. Gourcuff is only happy to play at a lower level to make himself feel better. Yes, there were Emerson, Senderos, and other mistakes, but all teams make transfer mistakes.

Our issue was not that we did not invest in youth, that is really only part of the problem. The problem is that we have relied upon the same players for too long, Pirlo really shouldn't be as exhausted as he is at 30. Xavi is 29, but Xavi has not been run into the ground like Pirlo has.

Milan's main issue is that we have lacked depth since 2005-2006. We won the CL in 2007 as the best team, and because we were lucky that we lost no one major to injury. It was not just down to Kaka's brilliance, that is too simplistic an intrepretation, and denies the excellence of the other players that year.

We stopped getting players that could fill in and provide respite for other players. Dhorosoo, Vogel, Stam, Serginho, Pancaro, Tomosson, and Brocchi, to name a few. It was these types of players that could easily come in and provide consistency and strength in depth to our squad. Thankfully, we do not have the same issues of depth to Roma, who literally have no plan B should one of their starters is injured. However, we lack the depth and have subsequently run our players into the ground.

Does that mean there needs to be the same renewal that many of you speak? No. It means that we need some quality players, not 20 million pound players, but a few good players to ensure that others can rotate and store up some energy.

In midfield, it seems that we have the good fortune of Abate and Flamini. In defense, that is a sticky situation. Our starting center backs are excellent, I think was T. Silva lacks in technical grace he makes up in being able to physically compliment Nesta very well. We will see what comes of Bonera, and Onyewu. The reality is that our only real world-class FB is Zambrotta. Many of you deny this, but that is because you want to underrate anything Milan all ready has.

Janku should be pushed into midfield, and a new FB should be brought in. Antonini is not the same class of player like Pancaro, and really I'm not sure how much he really can contribute to our cause this season.

Yes, players like Gattuso, Inzaghi, Ambro, Pirlo, and other will need to be phased out. What do you think Flamini came in for? Why is Paloschi still in Milan's possession? Why do you think Abate came back? Who replaces Pirlo, this is the next big issue. Kaka is secondary, honestly, if you watch Milan, Pirlo's influence has been far greater than Kaka's, in how Milan play day-to-day. Yes, Kaka had glorious moments of individual brilliance, but the typical possession play that typifies Milan's style is really centered upon Pirlo's play.

If you want to talk about what Milan has done wrong, it is finding a player to provide Pirlo with a rest. However, that is very difficult. The only player who really has similar qualities to Pirlo was Belozoglu Emre, while he played for Inter, he was brilliant, and I think he is one of the greatest wastes of talent Newcastle ever destroyed.

I am not happy with how things have panned out, but, I have supported Milan long enough to realize that transfers come from no where. That we generally have a great scouting network, Kaka, Gourcuff, are but a few examples of what Milan's scouts uncover.

When Galliani says the transfer market lasts until August 31, I think there is enough negative press and annoyance for Berlu and Galli to notice what is happening. I feel bad for Galli, I think he'd like to do a lot more for Milan then he is ever given credit for, and I feel that Milan is biding their time, as they always do, to grab the players that we want, on our terms, and instead of looking at the Cissoko transfer as some sort of horrendous mismanagement, look at it as the intent of the club to spend 15 million on a player, but for whatever reason that fell through. It would be really interesting to see Cissoko's injury record the next couple of seasons.

It sucks, and I am in as much pain as you, I want my transfers now. I want to look at new names on the squad list, I want to have a head ache as to what team I would put forward if I was the manager. Believe me, I understand. However, the reality is this is how Milan works, and this is how Milan has always worked. Who cares about pre-season? When has Milan ever done well in pre-season? Honestly, have we ever just destroyed every team we saw 12-0 during pre-season? We lost to Chelsea 5-0 last year, but I don't remember us crumbling to the depths that many predict we will this year.

This is not about being optimistic versus realistic (which is offensive in its judgmental framework), this is just about talking about how Milan conducts transfers. I mean, did anyone read about Onyewu coming to Milan on goal.com before it happened?

I have a theory which will undoubtedly cause some disagreemnt. In light of the recent comments from leo and Gatusso in regards to MGTs' lack of activity on the market, this recent loss could have been an orchestrated attept by key memebers of the playing group to jolt MGT off their lazy arse..... Surely, Galliani can't ignore a loss to Inter and now a thrashing to Bayern! I would like to believe that this was not a true reflection of our standard......

Well, the majority of fans are not piss about not signing CR7 but rather Galli and Berlu kept opening their mouths and say Milan is great...... While every teams that have players Milan were after all stated Milan is cheap-thats just never happens.

I am surprise that people still gives credits to MGT after the past few years as something is really wrong with the them. Not saying about bad transfers or giving out stupid contracts but rather no serious plan about the team or sticking with the plan about the team.

As for the the Onyewu transfer, well, to be honest, I don't think he will be a top four CB in any of the top teams in Europe at the moment. And quite franky nomatter how some here wants to make him into the next big thing, to me he is just an upgrade from Senderous and thats really not good enough to play for Milan or any Series A side.

To me I think the problem with Milan is that they have too many players who just can't perform at the level requires for a player in Milan anymore.

Originally Posted by Luca03

What a hole Milan are in

But can we say we didn't see this coming?

We came off a bad season, knowing all season long we needed to rebuild the team.

Then, we sell our best player.

And haven't signed anyone of Milan quality over this past month.

Did anyone expect us to do any better?

Against Chelsea we seemed okay.

I read Berlusconi said we are close to signing a young Brazilian midfielder. I don't know if its true it could be bad translation. But possible Hernanes?

Three signings of quality is all Milan really needs to have energy.

Hernanes, FB, Striker.

Ronaldinho is a great addition to the team, but he isn't the quality to be the focal point of the twam.

i disagree slightly. we should sell Dinho, and use the money to buy G. Rossi. that would help our attack greatly. The energy difference would be very noticable, and it would add the attack very much. Dinho doesnt care anymore, and Rossi is hungry for titles.

I agree we should buy Hernandes, he is the future and would be a great rotational starter for use.

We should try to get a decent tall striker on loan for this coming season. it would be free and that would give us Pato, Boriello (he will improve), Inzaghi, Loaned Striker, and Zigoni as our top five strikers. thats not too bad. then next year, the loaned player goes home, Inzaghi can retire, Paloshini returns to take his spot, then we buy Dzeko. That would give us Pato, Dzeko, Paloshini, Boriello, and Zigoni, which is a huge amount of talent. That would be one of the best groups of strikers in Europe imo.

We should invest in a young keeper such as Federico Marchetti, Andrea Consigli, or Vincenzo Fiorillo to be our number one choice in the next few years. They are hugely talented and would be good for a long time

I remember reading a while back that Roma like Janku. Why not offer them him plus like 12 mil for Marco Motta? he is the best young wing back in italy, and he will be a star for years.

Our lineup for next year-

------Marchetti-------
-Motta--Nesta--Silva--Zambro-
---Flamini--Hernandes--Pirlo
--------Rossi------
--Dzeko--Pato

thats a frickin scary lineup. and we would have a strong bench, that would truly be a bright future. i pray it happens... please berlu, make it happen!

Amen brother thats what i tell the majority of people on this board, but most just love to be negative and blast management don't they realize that we're debt free now?! wtf would we want to overspend on fabiano 28,trezeguet 32,Grosso 32, the only players i'd break the bank for that are young would be fabregas,g.rossi,santacroce,crescito,dzeko i refuse however to pay 20 plus on players, dont you guys remember last year that arsenal were trying to sell adebayor to us for 40 MILL ****ING EURO'S?! thank god we didn't give in, face it we are tired and we are a old squad look at the games we've played galaxy,club america,chelsea,inter,bayern we played all those teams with players who havent played almost a year of football in a span of 2 weeks?! thats ridiculous and most of you are gona hate this but we almost damn near beat chelsea! if it wasen't for that ping pong like goal who knows? im sick of all you people being negative

FORZA MILAN !

Originally Posted by Saliwonczyk

I have a theory which will undoubtedly cause some disagreemnt. In light of the recent comments from leo and Gatusso in regards to MGTs' lack of activity on the market, this recent loss could have been an orchestrated attept by key memebers of the playing group to jolt MGT off their lazy arse..... Surely, Galliani can't ignore a loss to Inter and now a thrashing to Bayern! I would like to believe that this was not a true reflection of our standard......

Wishful thinking at best.
I just think the team is really not good enough, thats all.