Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Gio-mania

Kalac out, possibly to Parma.
Monaco's Gk Roma in.

http://www.sportmediaset.it/mercato/...olo25717.shtml

We don't need another GK. With Kalac (possibly) leaving, our ranks are still full.

As I said, everyone has their own opinion.
I like Gorky too and I too was happy to see him on loan to acquire some experience, but I didn't know he had a buy out clause.
I resend our mgmt not bringing him back and I believe they could if they wanted to.

Originally Posted by Filipéz 182

gourcuff did get his chance in his first season here! and he did OK. nothing more, but you could see the kid was extremely talented, not showing it allways but you could see he had great potential.

in his second season though he was pretty bad, but it was (also) Carlo's fault. Carlo and gourcuff seem to have a bad relation and Carlo only played the kid sometimes in the last mins of a game. I remember Brocchi being picked over gourcuff as attacking midfielder, that says enough...

I also think leo really wanted him back but gourcuff decided different, and I dont blame him, a WC is coming up and at bordeaux he's the man and he's in a team were he performs great! so this way he'll probably keep his place in the french national team, while coming back to milan wouldve been a gamble for him. Its sad we lost him but life goes on!! If we can sign hernanes I would be totally over him!

Well, that's the thing. As I had just written in my response to Fret, he didn't seem to be the right player for Milan or at least for Carlo's system. But Carlo did give him plenty of opportunities in his first season. I don't blame Gourcuff at all for wanting to leave or for not coming back because he didn't play much in his second season and every player wants to be at a place where they can play (I only blame him for not doing more to take advantage of his opportunities). Going to Bordeaux was obviously the right move for Gourcuff. I think he did the right thing for himself by not coming back to Milan (even with Leonardo as the new coach). But how can Carlo or the Milan management be blamed for sending him there? When the loan deal was made, nobody knew that the past season would be Carlo's last at Milan and that he would be moving the Chelsea. So why should Milan go to great lengths to keep a player who was not in the coach's plans and who hadn't played well when he was here? I know some will say that at least Milan should have gotten more for him, but honestly 15 million euros in last year's market for a player who had accomplished little or nothing was a pretty damned good price. It's just that with Real Madrid's spending spree and the ridiculous nature of this summer's market, people's perceptions of player values have changed and they're projecting this year's values (and the past season's performance) onto a deal that was struck a year ago.

Rick, my friend.......
How many of these players seemed right for Milan: Brocchi, Emerson, Seedorf, Oddo Jankulovski, Ibrahim Ba, Ronaldo?

Originally Posted by Rick

Just a few comments:

If you think the French league is not inferior to Serie A, then I don't know what to say to you.

Rick Rick Rick, its funny how you always try to interpret other peoples views differently fromt he way they were intended. My examples make it clear the French league is capable of producing world class playerswho are ready for big teams in the so called stronger leagues. And if you aregoing to back up the arguments that I was trying to counter, then that would suggest you believe Milan shouldnt sign players who have done well in inferior leagues. And if thats what you are saying, "I dont know what to say to you".

Originally Posted by Rick

And there have been as many "new Zidanes" as there have been "new Maradonas."

New Maradonnas - Saviolla, Riquelme, Messi, Aimar, Ortega, Lavezzi, Aguero.

5 of those players would have got into our side in their peak.

That is a list of 7 players described as the new Maradonna. You said there are as many 'new Zidanes'. Can you name them please. the only one I can think of other than Gourcuff is Ribery who would also get into the Milan side.

Originally Posted by Rick

The truth is (and you can go back to the 2006 summer mercato thread and see) that most posters had barely heard of the guy and nobody was really jumping for joy at his signing (I was probably one of his biggest backers, noting at one point that if he realized his potential people wouldn't look back on the 2006 mercato as such a disaster). Gourcuff didn't at all make up for the frustration of that scandal-driven mercato. So don't go acting like everyone thought he was going to be great shakes when he first came to Milan. He was an excellent prospect and nothing more.

Again, you know very well I wasnt claiming to predict the future. But I was happy as most that Milan had signed a young talented player. And let me remind you that once he had signed, there were people posting about his performances against Lyon (An excellent side in the CL at the time). And we had some pretty impressive clips to get excited about. After watching Kaka blossom at Milan, we had enough reason to hope for Gourcuff to develop too.

Originally Posted by Rick

I knew the loan deal had a buyout clause from the very beginning. Why didn't you?

I dont know, maybe you date Galliani? Again, its funny how you ignore my mention about the fact that Milan didnt do enough to keep him even after giving a buyout clause.

Originally Posted by Rick

What Gourcuff did at Bordeaux last year and anything he might do in the future -- even if he wins 10 golden balls in a row! -- is completely immaterial. He didn't take advantage of the opportunity he had at Milan and he did very little, actually, when he was here. So Milan didn't really lose anything in this deal. They made money off a player who couldn't cut it when he had the opportunity.

I find it amazing how you think "anything he might do in the future" is immaterial. The whole point of signing young players is what they will do in the future. But again you obviously didnt understand my points about him being ready for Milan now and proving this with his performances for Bordeaux and France.

Originally Posted by Rick

B1tching and whining and moaning about Gourcuff isn't going to bring him back. You'll be doing yourself a favor if you learn to live with it.

Rick, I didnt go through years of education to believe everything I was told by the likes of you or Galliani. If I dont like something then I will say it.

And I find it extremely ironic and hypocritical for people to come on here and 'b!tch' and 'moan' at people who they think are 'b!tching' and 'moaning'.

You could do your self a favour and either ignore our 'b!tching' and 'moaning' or reply without 'bitching', 'moaning' or trying to enforce your opinions on us or even better using the phrase "I dont know what to say to you" right before you write a zillions sentences in your reply!

Originally Posted by Rick

And I don't recall any of us who aren't frantic over the "loss" of Gourcuff saying that he can't have a bright future. In fact, those who seem to think they have a crystal ball are the ones who make claims such as "future golden ball winner" in relation to the player.

As you seem to have put yuor self into a little clique. Some members of your clique wantinter to sign him so he fails and funnily wnough they rate him at 20m.

And by the way, you dont need a crystal ball to see what he has done to stop Lyons domination in France and the way he plays for the French national side.

Originally Posted by Ryo

Home from a hard and rough days work, and still nothing new on the market.

But hey! Ho! a message to reply to! Hurray!




rt, for one thing, the conversation I had with Filipéz ended like 3 pages back (to your post at least). I've already accepted that he portrays himself to be a fan who doesn't rate our elder players based on their recent performances and not their past history. For me, it was over and I'd already started ignoring him the minute he started cussing. In my opinion, thats already appropriate and mature enough of a response for him. You may think otherwise, but thats your opinion.

You ask me how I can formulate an opinion of someone based on what he writes? I ask you, how can I NOT?
I don't know him personally, and I don't feel I have an obligation to either. So I base my impressions and responses on what people post up on the forum. Whats so wrong with that??? He comes out with a post slanting a player we've had on our books for nearly a decade, whose won everything with and for us that there is to be won. I'm not a big fan of the current Kaladze, but as a poster on this forum, I would expect that I have my own right to take offense. Thats my right. The way I react to that post is also up to me. I'm not as submissive as you as in that I have to accept everything that I don't like quietly. That too is my right.


You talk about me passing personal judgment? Oh, thats fresh, from someone who just came by and called me immature and inappropriate for having a difference in opinion with someone, who I might add, has nothing to do with you, rt. The conversation was between me and Filipéz. You butting in three pages after everything has been settled just portrays you to be a busybody and a hypocrite who enjoys picking fights with other people. Seriously, this had nothing to do with you in the first place, unless you're like Filipézs' closet lover or something, so why bother butting in at all? Real mature, man, real mature....

The things I say may offend you, but, seriously, I'm entitled to my own opinion and my own impression of you (which is none too good right now), and if you really do feel offended, I don't give a rats @ss, because you butting into someone else's conversation just goes to show how "mature" you are. In my humble opinion, you totally deserved being told off.

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Ryo, while I don't really want to get involved with your arguments with others, your posts are going way off topic. Regarding your argument with Filipez, clearly you don't appreciate his viewpoint which is fine, but you did make personal comments about him which you should be aware are against the forum rules. Rt9 didn't make personal arguments against you, as his post implies your behaviour at the time of replying to Filipez was immature.

Whilst I'm not in a position to really force you to do this, I will ask you to please take your personal differences with others into private conversation, rather than writing long posts here when it's got nothing to do with the topic.

Ryo,

I don't want to make it look like there is an "anti-Ryo" league here (there isn't), as I always value the existence of different views. But I have to agree with some members here in that you might have over done it a little bit once in a while. Some of your posts, while still very enjoyable to read, concern me as I can clearly see personal attack from you. I can also see that you try to voice them in a light-hearted and humorous way, but personal attack is still personal attack, and it is against the forum rule. This is a "family-like" forum, and the admins and mods have made great efforts in keeping it like this. I happen to like it very much, and I am sure that you will enjoy the company of many fellow milanistas' different opinions, as insane some of them might sound. But be polite, tolerant, respectful, and appreciative. Be in Rome, do what Romans do, right?

Sorry for off-topic, and I am going to butt out now.

Originally Posted by Xudong

Ryo,

I don't want to make it look like there is an "anti-Ryo" league here (there isn't), as I always value the existence of different views. But I have to agree with some members here in that you might have over done it a little bit once in a while. Some of your posts, while still very enjoyable to read, concern me as I can clearly see personal attack from you. I can also see that you try to voice them in a light-hearted and humorous way, but personal attack is still personal attack, and it is against the forum rule. This is a "family-like" forum, and the admins and mods have made great efforts in keeping it like this. I happen to like it very much, and I am sure that you will enjoy the company of many fellow milanistas' different opinions, as insane some of them might sound. But be polite, tolerant, respectful, and appreciative. Be in Rome, do what Romans do, right?

Sorry for off-topic, and I am going to butt out now.

No, no, its perfectly alright when the response is one that is formulated in the way you put it. Respect is due to those who give it. Bringing up a long-forgotten arguement when both parties had already resolved it in their own way, however, is just in my opinion, both a waste of time and shows little respect. My way of retaliation may be seen by some as over done, but I stand by what I said. Everyone has as much right to their own opinions and impressions as anyone else on this forum.

That said, back to the topic at hand...

Thanks Xudong, good point.

I am not here to take sides, but to ask that we keep this thread on-topic...Gourcuff is in the past...unless we have some rumor linking him to a return to Milan (and not Intert) then, discussions pertaining to him have no place in the mercato thread.

If you guys want to discuss him, then I am sure there is a thread in the Players section, or if not, do it by private message.

He is no longer a player of Milan, and unless some miracle happens, he wont be coming back to play for us.

Enough on Gorky already.

From: http://goal.com/en/news/10/italy/200...ac-milan-agent


Tottenham Hotspur Full-Back Gareth Bale Would Love Milan Move - Agent
The Welsh left-back is a wanted man at Milanello, but there has been no official contact - yet...

7 Aug 2009 19:16:44


After completing the signing of Klaas-Jan Huntelaar, the Rossoneri are turning their attentions to their full-backs. While much press speculation has been focused on their right-back, where Lorenzo De Silvestri is thought to be the first choice to rival Gianluca Zambrotta, Milan are also looking at a replacement for Marek Jankulovski.

Attention has now turned once again to Tottenham Hotspur's Gareth Bale, and the player's representative has admitted that the Welshman would love to move to Milan.

"It's true, the player likes Milan but for the moment no official offer has arrived for him," Peppino Tirri told calciomercato.it.

"Many coaches are a fan of Bale, [Tottenham manager Harry] Redknapp included. Unsellable? In today's market there is no such thing as an unsellable player.

"However, no offer has come in, we have not talked about it [a transfer] with Tottenham, nor of his price. That said, I think that the figures circulating [in the press amounting to €12-15m] are correct."

Bale is still only 20-years-old but has endured a difficult time due to injuries and low confidence at White Hart Lane, having signed for Spurs in 2007.

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Gourcuff is the most paid player in France if I'm not wrong, Gourcuff told the medias that Ambrosini called him sometimes, he also told after his meeting with Leonardo that they wanted him to be one of our main players even if there is no guarantee of being a starter in Milan with the quality of everyone, Gourcuff asked to Bordeaux a clause to leave next year, I don't remember if this clause has been put on the contract but I'm pretty sure that the guy will leave next year ...

So Gourcuff didn't stay for money if you want (despite what I said before), he didn't stay there because of the clause, but he didn't stay because he felt he was important, to me, the guy just took the best choice for his international career ... being the main player of a top club in France (but a club that isn't a top club in Europe), just to shine and then keep his place in the French NT ... nothing more, nothing less.

Geo watch out for what you say, you will turn out to have a girly attitude, just like me.

Originally Posted by Christian

True, but I think that the point was that he still deserves respect for what he has done, especially considering what he's been through with his brother and all.

Everyone gets old, wether they have a big contract or not is more down to the management than anyone else. Still every player that has achieved what Kaladze has with us, deserve at least the respect that we don't give him obscene names etc. no matter how poor he has been doing recently.

Anyway, I think most fans would agree that Kaladze can no longer perform at Milan level. Would be a good deal for him to I'd think, if he could move to Bayern where he is apparently wanted.

i dont think i said anything disrespectful. SSaying we need to sell kaladze isnt disrespectful. Its my opinion and its fair critism.

if you think this is disrespectful whats the point of a forum???

I understand what you mean with people going F--- KALADZE, Peice of S--- etc etc. Thats unnecessary

Warro, I understand your point and I respect that but I can't stand not to reply about this now. Just this one, please, and I will stop.

Originally Posted by K77SH C

As you seem to have put yuor self into a little clique. Some members of your clique wantinter to sign him so he fails and funnily wnough they rate him at 20m.

SO WHAT?

Originally Posted by Lebanese

hold it right there, kala still a veteran defender with loads of experience. albertazzi is still a rookie

and thats the problem w/ an OLDER squad.... older players demand more because in all jobs, you are paid on your resume not your potential.

i'm not saying we need to do an arsenal by any means... but deep squad spots like 5th cb, 3rd gk or last choice striker should go to a young players not old pensioners

Originally Posted by Reza

I hope we see some more attacking/creative mid rumours at least.

So far, Fabregas and Hernanes. (You asked rumor, aren't you? )