Summer mercato 2009

The EU thing only counts if you buy a player from outside Italy, I think.

Did Ambro really sign a new contract? I don't remember reading that he did. If so, was it only a one year extension? Also, when does Kaladze's contract expire?

This Dzemaili guy seems half decent, theres a video of him playing for torino against milan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_15KY...eature=related
played well. also has freestyling experience not sure if he does it on the field like a ronaldinho-type player because theres no telling from one video of a few nice tricks he did against milan but he's also been on joga bonito. idk, point is he's not bad and hes only 22 years of age plus we need a creative midfielder.. I think it would be a great signing if we get him at a good price seeing as theres not much hype around him and im sure torino could use the money?

Originally Posted by kris

2006/07? I was thinking you talked about his second season. Although Seedorf only performed in UCL that year as he left his more effective midfield position in serie A. Gorcuff was great the first games he played by the way. Starting 18 games, especially over two seasons isn't much, hardly something close to consistancy or "trust".

Please remind me when he finally got those 6 games in a row since I can't remember that.

When the team play really bad and you have a aging team you think it would be time to give a young player the chance.

It was November/December 2006. Go to ESPN Soccernet and find his stats. You can pull up the game log for that season.

And 18 games started might not be much over two seasons, but it represented plenty of opportunities in his first season -- opportunities that he didn't take advantage of to prove he could be anything special in Serie A. As I said before, for whatever reason, he was no longer in Carlo's plans. At the time his loan deal was signed, nobody had reason to believe that Milan would be making a coaching change the following summer. So what reason was there to refuse to loan him out back to France where he could continue his development (even knowing a transfer option had to be included)? For that matter, even halfway or more through the past season nobody knew if Bordeaux could afford such a hefty transfer fee. The only reason they could was because they made the Champions League. Who could have predicted that last summer? I know some will say it was largely due to Gourcuff that Bordeaux finished so well in Ligue 1, but I say that had he played half as well for Milan when he had the opportunity he never would have been loaned out in the first place.

The fact is that Milan made a tidy profit on Gourcuff. Some have said he was worth more than the 15 million euros agreed upon in the loan deal based on potential. But didn't he have the same potential when Milan bought him for 3.5 million euros two years before? So why did Milan get him so cheap? By the time he was loaned to Bordeaux, there were more questions about him than there had been when Milan bought him from Rennes. So Milan made an 11.5 million euro profit on him. And they used the transfer fee they received for him to buy Huntelaar -- a far more proven player -- in this summer of our discontent. Was that really such an awful trade-off?

Originally Posted by brk

The EU thing only counts if you buy a player from outside Italy, I think.

Did Ambro really sign a new contract? I don't remember reading that he did. If so, was it only a one year extension? Also, when does Kaladze's contract expire?

That's correct. If the player is already in Italy, he doesn't count against your non-EU limit.

I didn't see that Ambro had actually signed a new deal, but there were stories a couple of months ago that he would sign a new one-year extension and Silvio was quoted as saying that a one-year extension would be no problem. So apparently it's going to happen if it hasn't already. And Kaladze's contract expires next summer.

I'm ambivalent about Gourcuff. On the one hand I think he did not show his quality when he got the chance, so I do agree with Rick. He seemed really slow every time I saw him play. However, Milan's lack of patience is symptomatic of Milan's philosophy towards youngsters. Not everyone can be a Pato the first season. We also insisted on playing Seedorf time and time again. In the 2006/07 season, I could tolerate this preferential treatment. But in the 2007/08 season, we should have really done more for Gourcuff. I think it is really galling that we are now stuck with a jaded Seedorf while Gourcuff is being heralded as THE talent in French football.

In short, yes, Gourcuff did not show his quality, but we should not have loaned him to Bordeaux. We should have had a bit more patience.

Move on please, guys... no point in talking him now, use another thread please...

Thanks Boban....I hope they listen to u....they certainly have paid me no attention....maybe becuz I didn't say "please"?

yea or else there going to bring up kaka' again^^^

for me 18 games over 2 years is nothing..

although i agree that normally there was no place for him,as we had gr8 amcs..but the following season i ve got a feeling that we re going to feel sorry we lost him,as noone is who they used to be(dinho,seedorf,kaka's gone)..and you dont have to be fortune teller to see that..

Originally Posted by Xudong

Just let it go, man. It is good for you this way. Trust me. It is not worth it at all.

No worries, Xu, my altercation with truly relevant people ended exactly 12 pages ago, I'm not going to bother digging up old graves again. For the actually respectable posters on this forum, I'll do what I can to keep myself in check.

Roma's signing is a welcome piece of news, for significance, if nothing else. We're starting to lose some of the really weak and ageing pieces of deadwood on the bench and beyond. Imo, this can only be good for the team.

Why r u guys still on this Gourcuff thing?
Was it a good deal for Milan at this time? Yes
Will Milan looks stupid in a few years time? Yes, barring no major injury to Gourcuff. He will be just like how Davids, Veira and Ayala before. He might not reach the height of ZZ, but he will probably be one of the best playmaker for the next 10 years.
Was it a mistake from Milan? NO, it was not. As judging by Gourcuff's play prior to last season, he is no where near the 15mil value.
Could Milan done more to keep Gourcuff? Yes, as at least from Gourcuff, he never felt like he was part of Milan when he was on loan.

Hopefully this will be the last mistake the MGT makes in regards to young talented players.

Vieira never got a chance, same as Gourcuff, both Davids & Ayala were unsuccessful in Milan imo.

lol...well said curci...about oddo...i m wondering whose going to buy him..

I always knew a keeper was always coming but not that this deal s been done yet. The medicals have still to take place.

I thinks this deal is pretty decent in the sense that he s atleast better than Kalac i guess. We havent spent big money. So i feel its a fair deal also considering the fact that Abiatti and Dida are not in the best shape.

As much as i enjoy knocking management for their ineptitude i think the jury is still out on yohan. I've seen many many players look like they walked on water in France only to be brought back down to earth in any of the big leagues. Granted this phenomenon isn't unique to any one league but the gulf in results may be attributed to MANY factors. These include the tighter defenses in italy, yohan's own improvements different coach and tactical setup. But pato and kaka both had to prove their worth to the team. Kaka had to dethrone a superstar while Pato had to put up with frequent and often unexplainable benching by ancelotti. Both overcame their odds. At the time of his being overlooked, seedorf was on fire so i can't really fault anyone. Only that carlo should have given him more playing time over the likes of Emerson and brocchi. On a side note it disturbs me deeply that Pato was willing to play ANYWHERE for Ancelotti but not for Leo. I wonder if he is really in charge of the dressing room

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

Thanks Boban....I hope they listen to u....they certainly have paid me no attention....maybe becuz I didn't say "please"?

Sorry Warro. I only got involved because I get frustrated that so many just won't leave it alone and my purpose was to state a case for why it's not worth worrying about. Obviously it's useless, so I've said my last on the subject.