Summer mercato 2009

Come on people, time to let Gourcouff go. Our management made a decision which at the time they thought was right. It turned out he had a good season, but i bet when we first loaned him from the few performances he put in for us, everyone would have hoped Bordeaux paid the E15m. Don't get me wrong i liked him, but he is no longer a Milan player there is no point making teams with him in or saying how we would be playing, otherwise we could pick teams for players who could play for us or include Kaka (if he had stayed).

I hope we sign Sneijder and De Silvestri, if we do it is a move in the right direction for rejuvinating the team. i do not agree with Kaka's or Gourcouff's sale but hopefully we can build from it.
I wish we had have gone for players such as Cigarini, Criscito, etc.

We have to remember we survived when people like Baresi, Rijkaard, Gullit, Van Basten, Weah, Shevchenko left and unfortunately this year is going to be a transitional year. People like Kalac (who has now gone), Dida, Kaladze, Oddo, Inzaghi are all due for the contracts to expire soon and in all honesty i don't see them being given new ones.

Yes it would be easy to cancel their contracts but we would have to pay them and then find replacements for a cost (plus wages). I think next year we will see Milan make an impact on the transfer market.

So heres hoping for 2010

Originally Posted by Rossoneri Fuego

it looks like we will get 1 again Robben,Sneijder,VDV i just hope we dont use our last E.U. spot on a couple of nobody's cardaccio viudez should all be gone, they both cant play anything on the field, i havent even seen em on the bench in the pre season atleast ONCE! i hope we can get a WB, i have no idea why the hell kala did not get sold, too bad lorenzo got hurt today hope it's nothing serious, i really think we will get gareth bale he'll be good world class? only time will tell and im not talking about 1 year either...

and about this 4-3-1-2 fellas it looks like we either are too slow or dont have enough attack why? well we have 3 defensive midfielders and i dont know if anybody's noticed but thats the same exact formation jose mourinho runs ..... anyways i think 4-2-3-1, or a italian 433 would work, but pirlo has to be the engine in midfield and R80 and Pato have to play on the wings and hunterlaar has to play up top alone, but it's a new league for him and country so i hope people dont go on a rampage and start ripping em for not scoring 6 goals, in the first 2 games aganst Siena,Inter but i actually have a good feeling we will get new players before the transfer market ends .. trust me it has been a horrible summer for all us but we almost made it through....

i dont think you fully understand the rule...

The rule is each team is allowed to register 2 new NONeu players a season.

You can have an ulimited number of eu players. With the european union working laws, employers are not allowed to discriminate on nationality. IE our whole team could be spanish or german or italian.

The NONEU rule also doesnt apply to players who are already in italy (with work permits). So juve signing felipe melo does not count. Diego also doesnt count cause he has italian passport.

Finally alot of foreign players carry EU passports to not count. Case and point; cardaccio has an italian passport cause of lineage. onyweu has a Belgian one cause he played there so long. Last year our 2 nonEU spots went to vuidez and shevchenko.

So far this year we have used one by registering thiago silva. If you remember, when we signed him in january, we did not have any nonEU spots available. so he counts for this season. But as far as vandervaart or others.... we can sign as many as we want

Originally Posted by Milano84

i dont think you fully understand the rule...

The rule is each team is allowed to register 2 new NONeu players a season.

You can have an ulimited number of eu players. With the european union working laws, employers are not allowed to discriminate on nationality. IE our whole team could be spanish or german or italian.

The NONEU rule also doesnt apply to players who are already in italy (with work permits). So juve signing felipe melo does not count. Diego also doesnt count cause he has italian passport.

Finally alot of foreign players carry EU passports to not count. Case and point; cardaccio has an italian passport cause of lineage. onyweu has a Belgian one cause he played there so long. Last year our 2 nonEU spots went to vuidez and shevchenko.

So far this year we have used one by registering thiago silva. If you remember, when we signed him in january, we did not have any nonEU spots available. so he counts for this season. But as far as vandervaart or others.... we can sign as many as we want

I think there is something that is missunderstood there too ...

Actually, you can buy 2 non-EU players per season (there were talks to allow to buy 3 ...). Like you said, non-EU players who are already in Italy don't count in these 2 allowed purchases.

BUT you can register 3 non-EU players in your team. Last year, we had Sheva, Viudez, and ... and ... ummmmh ... (damn, I can't remember) if I'm not wrong. It's why Thiago Silva couldn't play from January.

So, to make it short: 2 non-EU purchases per season and it is possible to register 3 non-EU players in a team.

PS: So if Viudez stays in Milan, he will still be registered like a non-EU player for this season.

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

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Originally Posted by GeoTav

I think there is something that is missunderstood there too ...

Actually, you can buy 2 non-EU players per season (there were talks to allow to buy 3 ...). Like you said, non-EU players who are already in Italy don't count in these 2 allowed purchases.

BUT you can register 3 non-EU players in your team. Last year, we had Sheva, Viudez, and ... and ... ummmmh ... (damn, I can't remember) if I'm not wrong. It's why Thiago Silva couldn't play from January.

So, to make it short: 2 non-EU purchases per season and it is possible to register 3 non-EU players in a team.

PS: So if Viudez stays in Milan, he will still be registered like a non-EU player.

i think thats wrong... once they r registered... they r registered. It has to do w/ work permits. you are granted 2 new ones a year MAX. So players who are already in italy, have them therefor if they move teams its not a big deal.... and if u can find EU heritage and get an EU passport you don't count either...

i actually have a friend who is going to play basketball in italy.... he's american, but hiso grandparents immigrated from italy, he was able to get an italian passport so not to count against teams rule....

the only 3 noneu's is not a rule.... otherwise inter wouldnt legally work lol

Originally Posted by Milano84

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i think thats wrong... once they r registered... they r registered. It has to do w/ work permits. you are granted 2 new ones a year MAX. So players who are already in italy, have them therefor if they move teams its not a big deal.... and if u can find EU heritage and get an EU passport you don't count either...

i actually have a friend who is going to play basketball in italy.... he's american, but hiso grandparents immigrated from italy, he was able to get an italian passport so not to count against teams rule....

the only 3 noneu's is not a rule.... otherwise inter wouldnt legally work lol

They maybe found an "Italian heritage" to all their players ??

I just found something actually:

Italy: 2 purchases - no limit in a team
Spain: no limit - 3 non-EU players, registered in another team the year before, in a team (so actually, it's like a limit ... ??)
Netherlands: no limit - no limit in a team
England: no limit - no limit, you need a work permit
France: no limit - 4 non-EU players in a team
Germany: no limit - no limit (they can only have 3 players registered in another team ... ??)

A.C. MILAN OFFICIAL NOTE
8/12/2009

MILAN - A.C. Milan communicate that the working relationship with the footballer Zeljko Kalac has been mutually terminated. To thank him for what he showed during his experience with the Rossoneri, Milan wish Kalac all the best for the future.

A.C. Milan also communicated they have bought Flavio Roma, who has signed a contract until 30 June 2010, from A.S. Monaco.

Thanks for all the, er, hard work Kalac ...

I watched my team, Denmark, lose to an impressive Chile team earlier today. Was a great game, and the reason I'm writing about it is that Simon Kjær, who we've been linked with, had a really impresive game for Denmark.

This time Daniel Agger didn't play because of an injury (as usual), but even without a world class CB next to him, Kjær really looked solid. He was even the CB that carried the ball out of the defense, which he did really well, maybe not aswell as Agger does, but still very confidently.

Earlier when I watched him for Palermo against Inter I wasn't to impressed, but lately after watching him starting and playing well for Denmark, first against Sweden and then against Chile, I'm starting to be really impressed by this guy, especially considering he's only 20.

Anyways, he's staying one more year in Palermo, and it'll be interesting to see how he does. It seems to me like he could turn out to become a great defender.Even if he does have a wonder season, he still has a 12M euro release clause as far as I know, so he'll be available for that regardless.

i heard kjaer has his heart set on going to epl. Is that true...?

Getting players from Palermo will be very difficult, simply because of the wily owner Zamparini. Post-calciopoli, he had said that he finds it difficult to see that Milan didn't get adequate punishment because we had allegedly bribed referees. He kept up with this kind of attitude. In 07-08 when Milan played at Palermo and after the match when Palermo directors came to shake hands with Galliani, he refused and told them that they weren't football people. Relations haven't improved since then.

This strain in relations doesn't discount the fact that Zamparini is the biggest a$$ in Serie A too.

Originally Posted by boing boing

Getting players from Palermo will be very difficult, simply because of the wily owner Zamparini. Post-calciopoli, he had said that he finds it difficult to see that Milan didn't get adequate punishment because we had allegedly bribed referees. He kept up with this kind of attitude. In 07-08 when Milan played at Palermo and after the match when Palermo directors came to shake hands with Galliani, he refused and told them that they weren't football people. Relations haven't improved since then.

This strain in relations doesn't discount the fact that Zamparini is the biggest a$$ in Serie A too.

but if there is a buyout clause they have to honor it right?

its more than just that, pre2005 zampirni was begging people to buy luca toni. He offered him to galliani discounted... and galliani said something to effect 'it would be a disgrace to milan shirt for some1 like luca toni to wear it'

I don't think this Zamparini guy likes us at all. And I have also heard about Galliani's hurtful comments regarding Toni. I don't think Galliani should/would ask for more insults which he probably deserves though.

Sorry guys, I hope this is the last post (By me anyway) on Gourcuff.

Originally Posted by Rick

No, it was you who misinterpreted what I said. When I said Ligue 1 was an inferior league, I was speaking in relation to Serie A. I was not saying that Ligue 1 completely sucked or that good players did not come from there (good players can come from any league). But Ligue 1 is a league that good players move from. Serie A is a league that good players move to. That's why I answered you like I did.

If youre only point by stating ligue 1 was inferior to Seria A then what was the point in stating the obvious?? When Oneywu signed for us, the whole reason people questioned the Belgian league and the signing was because they thought the Belgian league was that poor. I could only assume you were trying to make a similar point, because what would be the point otherwise??

Originally Posted by Rick

Samir Nasri was labeled "the new Zidane." Sofiane Feghouli has been labeled "the new Zidane." Hell, the other day I was reading something about some 6-year-old who has been labeled "the new Zidane!" It all means absolutely nothing.

Yeah yeah yeah, like I said some of these players seem to be delivering on the promise and Gourcuff's performances show he is more than just the latest gimic. I dont see anyone offering 15m for Meghni!

Originally Posted by Rick

You were claiming that those who disagreed with you were purporting to see the future, when in fact I was saying that nobody knows the future. And again, when Milan signed Gourcuff, I was one of his biggest backers (if you were as well, that's fine). But that doesn't change the fact that he did nothing in a Milan jersey to justify any particular confidence.

Nothing?? Thats your version of your truth. I saw a player with movement, guile and intelligence. I saw a player score on his CL debut. I saw a player try to move around the midfield. I saw potential. As much as it hurts you to admit it, some people saw a player for the future. If you didnt, that your opinion. But I am entitled to mine and for the umteenth time - we will see!!

Originally Posted by Rick

Well you keep mentioning that they should have done more, so tell me -- what should they have done? Should they have absolutely guaranteed him a spot in the starting lineup no matter how he played (even in the face of his previous failure in Serie A)? Should they have gotten down on their knees and begged him? Should they have given him half ownership in the team? Provided him with a different Italian prostitute every night? What do you suggest?

Why not guarantee him a starting place. Any fool knows he will have play well to keep it. If Wenger could lie to Klinsman and say he will make a powerful duo with Weah just before selling Weah to Milan then surely we could have encouraged Gourcuff a little more. And if Gourcuff was adamant on staying at Bordeux for another year before the world cup, we could have extended the loan. From Bordeux's point of view, we could have sweetened the pot a little with players we are supposedly desperate to get rid of - Dida, Oddo, Kaladze, Vuidez, Cardaccio e.t.c. Anybody remember how many players we loaned to A.Madrid? Oh and the prostitute would have been busy with a certain O.A.P.

Originally Posted by Rick

The deal was forged more than a year ago. Milan had no legal recourse. It was up to Bordeaux to meet the fee that had been agreed upon and it was up to Gourcuff to decide to accept a contract with Bordeaux. I just don't know what you expected to happen.

Like I said there were options available if Milan wanted to keep him.

Originally Posted by Rick

How is it material what he does in the future -- from this point on -- considering he is not a Milan player? That boat has sailed and the only thing that will change is how much you and others who want to worry about Gourcuff will agonize over what you see as losing something. As far as I'm concerned, that's immaterial.

Because whether you like it or not, any discussion about young players will involve the word 'potential' and what he may do in the future. Its ridiculous to think otherwise.

And as far as the boat sailing, has it sailed in the same was as Shevchenko who returned? The player has Milan history and when he plays against us the media will bring this back up. So you cant hid from him. Who knows he may even find his way back to Milanello.

Originally Posted by Rick

Which is exactly what I'm doing. I don't like the fact that so many can't let go of this Gourcuff thing and can't rid themselves of the sort of negativity that makes me wonder why they even bother to pay attention to a sport and a team that makes them so miserable and unhappy. So I'm saying it.

If you dont like my posts, tough, Im not going to change a thing.

Originally Posted by Rick

And I find it hypocritical that you would b1tch and moan about my b1tching and moaning over all the b1tching and moaning you're doing considering how much b1tching and moaning you're actually doing.

At least I dont try and enforce my opinions on others.

Originally Posted by Rick

And when I said "I don't know what to say to you" I was speaking of one specific subtopic in this conversation -- a subtopic that I said nothing further about.

So in other words, when you have no answer to a certain subtopic, that is your get out clause.