Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Bosniaco

I know that it ridiculous, rise for what? He has not earn it yet.

I just read it on the goal.com and i can't believe it.
They say it was to much even for Kaka and now they wanna do the same thing with Ronnie? OMG I don't know what to say anymore.
All that complaining about lack of money and stuff.........hey, let's sell our best player and give his salary to his sidekick.



He'll get another raise when he turns 30 and will be even worse than Seedorf

Originally Posted by pirlofanusa

your saying this like Milan didnt try to buy the same player, after he failed his physical, for a few million less. if there was great injury potential then would spending a few mil less on his transfer make that much of a difference? NO, it means that we tried to be cheap

Less money invested makes it less of a gamble. Just because Milan tried to get him on loan with an option to buy or buy him for 10 million instead of 15 doesn't mean there isn't a problem. If it were just a matter of being cheap, Milan wouldn't have agreed to pay 15 before the physical.

Originally Posted by Rick

. If it were just a matter of being cheap, Milan wouldn't have agreed to pay 15 before the physical.

so your ruling out agreeing to the price that Porto wanted and then creating a medical condition to drive the price down? have you ever, once, heard of a player failing a physical because of his teeth?

Originally Posted by Rick

Sorry, but how could you possibly know that? Are you a doctor? Did you examine Cissokho? The condition found by Milan's doctors was never something that would have impaired his ability to play this season, but rather something that could easily cause problems with his spinal chord and his heart in the future. This is not such a big problem for a club like Lyon, from where most players move on to bigger clubs within two to three years anyway. But Milan was looking at Cissokho as a player who could become one of the cornerstones of the club for a decade or more. It boggles my mind that so many shortsighted fans can't understand why a potential spinal or heart problem would be a concern when you're investing a lot of money in a player. But everyone wants instant gratification.

ok, ok, ok, you are the calm one, we get it!

Now as far as my reasoning is concerned, it's the same i have said all along. His teeth problem was a no issue for both Porto and Lyon. Now you might argue that those teams don't see him as a long term player for them, but with spinal and heart issues, you never know when they are actually going to strike. So for those teams to approve his medical and transfer, to me, it means that the dental problems are not as serious as milan made them out to be. That is not to say that it is not a problem, just it is not that serious.

And here is the other part that makes me believe milan was in it for the money. They did not cancel the deal, they went back to try and lower his fees. If his dental problems are really that serious, then milan should have never signed him upon finding these results. Would you buy a wrecked car even if it is cheap? I wouldn't. And if it is true that his dental issues wouldn't have surfaced in the short term future, then why did milan try to loan him for one season? What difference would that have been made other than the fact that milan wouldn't have to pay the full transfer amount this year?

And lastly, we the fans have been more than patient with this management and team. Don't come here and act like you are superior to everyone here just because you would like to wait for 10 years before seeing another trophy. In the world of sports, the chances of signing great players are limited and once you missed it, it doesn't come back. You can sit there and talk all you want about how waiting is the best thing that can ever happen to this team, but the fact of matter is, the team severely lacks talent to challenge for its objectives. And because of that, we the fans are not happy and want to see some real actions in the market. You can have different views, but dont always act like your ideas are so much better than everybody else's. Not trying to start a fight with you here, just stating my feelings toward the issue. I apologize in advance if any of my language offended you.

Originally Posted by pirlofanusa

so your ruling out agreeing to the price that Porto wanted and then creating a medical condition to drive the price down? have you ever, once, heard of a player failing a physical because of his teeth?

It's a legitimate medical condition (I looked it up) and it could be a problem in the future.

Originally Posted by slifersd

ok, ok, ok, you are the calm one, we get it!

Now as far as my reasoning is concerned, it's the same i have said all along. His teeth problem was a no issue for both Porto and Lyon. Now you might argue that those teams don't see him as a long term player for them, but with spinal and heart issues, you never know when they are actually going to strike. So for those teams to approve his medical and transfer, to me, it means that the dental problems are not as serious as milan made them out to be. That is not to say that it is not a problem, just it is not that serious.

And here is the other part that makes me believe milan was in it for the money. They did not cancel the deal, they went back to try and lower his fees. If his dental problems are really that serious, then milan should have never signed him upon finding these results. Would you buy a wrecked car even if it is cheap? I wouldn't. And if it is true that his dental issues wouldn't have surfaced in the short term future, then why did milan try to loan him for one season? What difference would that have been made other than the fact that milan wouldn't have to pay the full transfer amount this year?

Again, it's a matter of risk. If you get a 33% discount because of finding a medical problem, it might be enough to assume the risk of signing the player. Thinking of him as a wrecked car is not an appropriate example. It's more like buying a model car that has history of certain parts of the engine or the drive train breaking down. You might be more willing to assume the risk if you get a better price. A wrecked car would be a better analogy for a player who has just had knee surgery. And a loan deal would have given Milan an entire season to probe further into the problem and hopefully find a way to rectify it. There's actually some logic to the whole thing if you think with your head instead of your heart.

And lastly, we the fans have been more than patient with this management and team. Don't come here and act like you are superior to everyone here just because you would like to wait for 10 years before seeing another trophy. In the world of sports, the chances of signing great players are limited and once you missed it, it doesn't come back. You can sit there and talk all you want about how waiting is the best thing that can ever happen to this team, but the fact of matter is, the team severely lacks talent to challenge for its objectives. And because of that, we the fans are not happy and want to see some real actions in the market. You can have different views, but dont always act like your ideas are so much better than everybody else's. Not trying to start a fight with you here, just stating my feelings toward the issue. I apologize in advance if any of my language offended you.

What makes you think I don't want Milan to win anything for 10 years? That's just about the funniest thing I've heard in awhile. The difference between me and people who think like you is that I don't think the situation is so dire that it's going to take Milan 10 years to win anything.

Braida has been extremely quite this mercato. Is he still with Milan?

Originally Posted by payne

Braida has been extremely quite this mercato. Is he still with Milan?

I thought he was in Brazil scouting for our next non-EU prospect

I'll wait till the day after we play Merda to ask where our scouts and key management are.

Does anyone know anything about this Rafinha guy? I mean i watched youtube vids, never seen him play in regular game to game basis but i'm just wondering why are we going after another RB if we have zambrotta antonini and oddo possibly oddo will leave in order to get rafinha but dont we need strengthening on the left? can he play lb?

Originally Posted by Itakid

Does anyone know anything about this Rafinha guy? I mean i watched youtube vids, never seen him play in regular game to game basis but i'm just wondering why are we going after another RB if we have zambrotta antonini and oddo possibly oddo will leave in order to get rafinha but dont we need strengthening on the left? can he play lb?

I have watched him many times play for Schalke, very very good pacey rigiht back. I never seeing him on the left. He is also young. We do have Zambro, Antonini for the left side if we get Rafinha on the right.

Grosso will sign for Juve, and aldough some dissagree with me that he is an excellent LB ( Geo mostly, but he has seen more of him in France lately t5hen me ), I think he'll play some excellent football in the backline with Canna, Chiellini and Buffon. Those players are all high class and have tons of experience + are playing in a WC year so the concentration will be high.

Only mistake Juve made is, as it looks right now, Criscito. Why Milan didnt go for him is beyond me. Probably he costed more then 0 euro's.

Rafinha - very good RB, but I dont see how we'll pay for him. Lets wait and see. If our solution is Zaccardo then really...

This already is the worst mercato I've ever seen and most likely the start of an end of Berlusconi's Milan, at least greedy bastard can sign one more good FB for this year so we can shift Zambro to the left and new RB into first 11.

Also, VdV is transfer listed, aldough he failed shortly at Madrid, he is an excellent player as well.

I hope Grosso signs for Jube,i really do,he is so crap its just unbelievable.The Juve defense isnt impressing at all.

Chiellini is a great defender,no doubt about it,but Canna has one good year left in him,the fullbacks are crap,Grosso...i mean come on,the guy is slow and cant find his WC2006 form anymore,im looking forward to see Pato against Grosso,Pato will humiliate him badly.

Grosso isnt what we need,he is too old and isnt fast enough to play our style of football,we need someone with more pace and speed,and Grosso doesnt have that,also we need someone way younger.

Juve is doing a stupid deal,Canna and Grosso will be in 2 years gone.

Grygera-Canna-Chiellini-Grosso.....Zambro-Nesta-Silva-Janku.......sorry but Zambro is two classes better then Grygera,Nesta and Silva are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better then Canna-Chiellini for sure,and Janku is better in attack then Grosso but Grosso is better in defense i think....so thats a tie.Our defense is better then theirs.

Van der Vaart aint coming....to bad,he could give us more options and he is a good player in form.

Do you guy's think we will sign a fullback ?. I honestly don't six days left in the mercato over 80 million euro taken in 60 million for the books , and we only spend half of Huntelaars cost 6.5 million euro pretty sh1tty.

The least MGT could do is spend money on a fullback it is really needed. Janku is hopeless and Zambro isn't theplayer he was. Nesta will not stay healthy for the whole season and cannot play 50 - 60 games even if he does.

Pirlo didn't do much against Siena hasn't performed consistantly good in 3 seasons. There is soooo much that needs fixing in this team its not even funny , Leo has said what we need and everyone knows it is true. The players he is asking for are not huge huge stars (but would add to the team) and not too expensive or overpriced. But Leo is ignored and IMO disrepected by Berlu.

You can not imagine how annoyed I am with this mercato. I cannot put it in words , Onyewu was signed even though he'll hardly play and now we have to pay his wages. Take Kaladze , Oddo , Seedorf , Dida these guys should be asked to take a pay cut. And if the don't release them (this would be tricky as they would have to agree) then there is Dinho getting a raise for what he played a good game against Siena. Its in his contract apparently a £2 million a year raise.

There is loads wrong at Milan from top to bottom , althougfh Im glad we beat Siena and played well at times , lets not get carried away if in april we have a 10 point lead over second place then we can start to believe.

Until then we are a badly managed club with the oldest squad probably in the world still (a title we cannot seem to shed) with a joke for a president. Who never shuts his plastic surgery ravaged face and after a narrow win over Siena gives Dinho a raise and makes stupid comments.

Originally Posted by Dutchie-Milan

I hope Grosso signs for Jube,i really do,he is so crap its just unbelievable.The Juve defense isnt impressing at all.

Chiellini is a great defender,no doubt about it,but Canna has one good year left in him,the fullbacks are crap,Grosso...i mean come on,the guy is slow and cant find his WC2006 form anymore,im looking forward to see Pato against Grosso,Pato will humiliate him badly.

Grosso isnt what we need,he is too old and isnt fast enough to play our style of football,we need someone with more pace and speed,and Grosso doesnt have that,also we need someone way younger.

Juve is doing a stupid deal,Canna and Grosso will be in 2 years gone.

Grygera-Canna-Chiellini-Grosso.....Zambro-Nesta-Silva-Janku.......sorry but Zambro is two classes better then Grygera,Nesta and Silva are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better then Canna-Chiellini for sure,and Janku is better in attack then Grosso but Grosso is better in defense i think....so thats a tie.Our defense is better then theirs.

come on man, grosso is still the classiest Italian wing back out there. he just glides up and down that line with ease and hasn't lost any crossing ability getting older.

I agree, that Leo and Braida made a good job with Kaka and Pato, because they were two of the hottest prospect that time and became champions, and also cost us almost nothing.
But since Pato has arrived I can't see any scouting activities from Braida (hope he will get me wrong), and what am I pissed off that Inter just signed almost for nothing one of the best prospect from Brazil last year, who will arrive next year and can be as good as Ronaldinho by time.
He is Coutinho, he would have been the perfect replacement for Kaka!
So Juve's and Inter's trequartista problem is solved for the next 5-6 years, but our phenomenon Ronaldinho has max. 3 more years and he is finished!
We need somebody next year who could be his long term replacement, now that Gourcuff has gone
I have heard about another brazilian hot prospect Neymar, he is a seconda punta, but very similar to Robinho!