Summer mercato 2009

Originally Posted by Rick

Ideas? Yes. Good ones? That's a different story. Message board posters would soon have Milan either bankrupt or relegated. Or both.

Thank you Rick!!!
A good laugh in the morning makes me feel much better.

Mostly I really like your posts and your way of thinking.

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

You know, Geo...I´m now curious to play Football Manager. I mean, I saw in another forum one guy talking about a Brazilian young player that I never heard, and the guy said the kid was the real deal in FM

I did a research and found the kid profile in a Brazilian team(youth roster), and can´t believe they put him on a game. From what I read, they have(in game) zillions of kids from all most importants leagues in the world!! How can they do this? How can they put ratings on these kids? Crazy thing...

Ragarding forums, I have some friends(journalist) that some times write about international football(nothing big, just local pappers), and one of them was ready to make a article about Seedorf(full of praise, and calling him a fan favourite and one of the best...), when I said to him to go to MM, and read what Milan fans around the world think about the actual Seedorf... I even said to him to look for Gabriel posts in special

The guy deleted all the work he did

There´s a lot of crazy things around forum´s , but you can also find very good informations about the state of the team or players aroung the world.



You right, Anderson wasn´t a Ronaldinho type of player(Ronaldinho is unique), but since they came from Gremio and were offensive mid, the comparisson began. Now is Douglas Costa(a amazing prospect, no doubt), but that has his own style, but that the pappers aroung the world are calling the new someone...

Btw, a little of topic, but since you talk about Anderson. Alex Fergusson has a great history, but he´s killining(if not killed) one of the great Brazil´s talent of the last years. Anderson come from to be a amazing offensive mid, to become a good or above average central midfielder. What a way to kill a talent...the guy can´t even score anymore

You are making me into a Seedorf's hater.
I only think that any professional player at the highest level like Milan who does not perform at all for 90mins or 180 mins per week should be ashame of themselves.
Look at the facts, they are getting paid more than any great paying jobs in the world for something they had been doing and loving since 2. And yet, do they show it on the field? Like running

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

Just a hint: Braida, came here and buy this 18/19 old before the price raises more(just for example): He can be groomed as Ronadinho heir or play on the left or right in our mid...c´mon, it´s not that hard to find a talent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2E0_Y8tADI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PYEyiT4dnE

Glad to see you posting actively Brasileiro. A couple of quick questions if you don't mind...

1) who is that in your video? Some good goals there but any further info about him?

2) What do you think of Rafinha? As you probably know we're linked heavily to him this week and I would like to see your opinion as I'm sure you've probably seen him more than me.

Originally Posted by MiamiMilanista

I'm guessing (and hoping) that the only hope for an LB is going to be a Rafinha -(Oddo+cash) swap. I'm sure Schalke will take Oddo since he has the German League experience with Bayern last year. With them wanting 10m, it will probably be Oddo + 5 or 6 million.

Rafinha is a RB.

Originally Posted by Rick

Ideas? Yes. Good ones? That's a different story. Message board posters would soon have Milan either bankrupt or relegated. Or both.

Of course, the guy has to "study" the forum posts ... it is useless to come reading on the forum to know if Aguero would be a good addition to the team or if Messi is a great player !!

It is more about prospects ... there are a lot of names on this forum that circulated since some years, and some of these young players will be the ones we will see in the medias in 2-3 years (not all of them of course).

As for Football Manager, to reply Brasiliero, I think you can trust most of their statistics and ratings for players who are more than 16 (there are always some mistakes somewhere, but then, if you're using that game to do your scouting job, you have to go watching the player for real, so you will see from your what was wrong or true ... the game can help to do the scouting job, but it doesn't entirely do it for the scout !! ). Under that age, you can't rate the players as some of them constantly improve, some improve suddenly without any reason, some don't improve, etc ...

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Of course, the guy has to "study" the forum posts ... it is useless to come reading on the forum to know if Aguero would be a good addition to the team or if Messi is a great player !!

It is more about prospects ... there are a lot of names on this forum that circulated since some years, and some of these young players will be the ones we will see in the medias in 2-3 years (not all of them of course).

As for Football Manager, to reply Brasiliero, I think you can trust most of their statistics and ratings for players who are more than 16 (there are always some mistakes somewhere, but then, if you're using that game to do your scouting job, you have to go watching the player for real, so you will see from your what was wrong or true ... the game can help to do the scouting job, but it doesn't entirely do it for the scout !! ). Under that age, you can't rate the players as some of them constantly improve, some improve suddenly without any reason, some don't improve, etc ...

Milan has one of the biggest database containing all the players in the world, we have scouts everywhere around the world. Players we talk about on a forum are also known to Milan, don't worry, that's not the problem. They will know the players before we do, so I don't know why they should check the internet to find new talents?
The problem remains money and the will to buy these players.
Also our transfer policy the last couple of years kind of limited us in buying good youngsters.

Originally Posted by ThrusT

Milan has one of the biggest database containing all the players in the world, we have scouts everywhere around the world. Players we talk about on a forum are also known to Milan, don't worry, that's not the problem. They will know the players before we do, so I don't know why they should check the internet to find new talents?
The problem remains money and the will to buy these players.
Also our transfer policy the last couple of years kind of limited us in buying good youngsters.

I wouldn't bet about that ...

When you see the names that were linked with us since a while now (not only on the 2-3 last years), when you see sometimes the comments of our management about some players, I'm not sure about the fact we have so many active scouts in the world.

Or these scouts can't do their job, who was the last player from Croatia (because they have a lot of good, and probably great in some years, players who started to be known 2-3 years ago, and their price wasn't that high at this moment, ask Mrki, he will give you 3-4 names of players who could be useful in our team and probably worth to get a starting spot in our team) ? We can take many countries as examples.

I think we should say to our scouts that South America and Italy are not the only places to play football. Why were Drogba, Essien, and many other African players discovered in France or Belgium and not in Italy and especially in Milan if we have so many scouts around the world ? It's another example ...

When you don't have money to spend, you need excellent scouts to try to bring young talents, and obviously, we don't have much money but we keep trying to get 26+ years old players who cost a lot ...

he has one hell of a point the french league is such a important league, wenger constantly rapes league 1 every year for young prospects aka potential world class ballers.

Few days untill the Derby...

At the beggining special hello to my friend Brasiliero and (our loyal scout)!

Posts on previous few pages were great to read. Aguess in the lack of Milan's activities we started to talk about every possible aspect of worlds football mercato.

Thiago Silva always looked strong and smart defender. Nowdays, if we look objectively, BRasil has stronger defensive line then Azzuri: Maicon, Alves, MArcelo, Thiago, Alex, Lucio, Juan... Times change aguess.

Milan has huge problems inside the club's hierarchy, where the wage budget in not professionally balanced and where some players are hugely overpayed. Berlusconi was found himself a coach that will let him interfeer with the team and that will let him sign who he wants and when he wants ( CVarlo was that man ). Wage budget got unbalanced also coz of Galliani's huge misses in mercato, where he overpayed players like emerson, Amoroso, Oddo, Ronaldo, $heva, Dida, Seedorf etc. Some players werent brought in also from unprofesional reasons: Toni at his best for example. As I can see, our best purchases were made by Leonardo, who as it seems now has similar problems with the team as Carlo had ( we'll see what he'll do with "his" linaups).

Braida and Galliani signed bunch of rubbish players in football-money-laundry moves: Viudez, Grimi, Cardaccio, Mattioni etc. Those players were never ment to be Milan players for real. Good players were missed, players like Coutinho, Marcelo, young italian players etc.

In Milan today everything evolves around personal profits, more then before. And that hurts the club obviousely. Money pipes are closed for Milan. I dont know how can I expect that Milan will pay 8-10 mln for Rafinha when we had a great prospect Cissokho ( who was scouted by Leo ) and we couldnt pay for him. Our 15mln to Madrid for Hunter is suspicious to me, becouse that was a back up plan made by Galliani and Perez after we sold KAka' for less then we could!

Do not expect any big moves from Berlusconi, money is gone from Via Turratti. We'll now operate with exchanges, 0 euro players, cheep players from Barca and Madrid and few normal signings now and then. Books will be patched with sales of PAto etc. That sounds sad but that is our future unless somethings changes inside the club drastically.

Mattioni should have been given a better chance considering he has duel passports ITA/BRA,garbage cardaccio,viudez have had more time, i mean he has 10 mins of live action at the most with ancelotti, what was he suppose to do? score goals like dani alves? i hope we dont regret it.

Originally Posted by Maltese Charlie

Thank you Rick!!!
A good laugh in the morning makes me feel much better.

Mostly I really like your posts and your way of thinking.

Thank you Charlie. Greatly appreciated.

Originally Posted by Jeff

Well I'm glad you refer your friends to MM which is definitely the best in the world! (honestly, we have the most quality posts here - ok I'll be honest now I actually never go to any other forum ).

J

There´s no doubt, Jeff...

MM is in another level regarding Milan forum... Even with our board setting the tempers(and frustration) high with their mercato decisions, this is the more high level forum you can find in the net.

Nothing is perfect, no doubt, but there´s a huge gap betweeen MM ad the others

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

You are making me into a Seedorf's hater.
I only think that any professional player at the highest level like Milan who does not perform at all for 90mins or 180 mins per week should be ashame of themselves.
Look at the facts, they are getting paid more than any great paying jobs in the world for something they had been doing and loving since 2. And yet, do they show it on the field? Like running

That wasn´t my intention, Gabriel...sorry.

I said to him to look for your posts, because your feelings regarding Seedorf´s game and efforts, are the same that I have.
The guy became impressed(with our "love" for Seedorf), because he watched just a few games of Milan, and for coincidence, Clarence was very good. So, I had to explain him that unfortunlly, he can not deliver all season ike in the past.

Also, Seedorf still has a high reputation with some pundits(sp?) here, since he´s always in Brazil(vacations), is very friendly and speak a great portuguese. The press loves him...

One more time, it wasn´t my intention to make you a hater, hope that you have understood

Originally Posted by kris

Rafinha is a RB.

we could always slide Zambro to LB

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Glad to see you posting actively Brasileiro. A couple of quick questions if you don't mind...

1) who is that in your video? Some good goals there but any further info about him?

2) What do you think of Rafinha? As you probably know we're linked heavily to him this week and I would like to see your opinion as I'm sure you've probably seen him more than me.

Thanks, my friend... I´m always here(reading) even when I don´thave time to post.

1)This guy is Giulliano, midfielder from Internacional(currently, the best academy here in Brazil) de Porto Alegre.

I mentioned him in "kaka´s Father thread" some time ago, after Brazil NT to win the Under-20 South America Championship. In a team with highly regards propects was Douglas Costa, Walter and Dentinho, Giuliano was elected the MVP of the tournament...with his midfield partner and also Internacional player Sandro, elected the second best.

Giuliano
http://www.internacional.com.br/pagi...21&categoria=6
Is a offensive mid, but that also has show(at least in Brazil under-20) that can play in 3 position in the diamond mid. Imo, today, he´s better suited to Ronaldinho role(in Europe), but will have no problem to adapt to the left or right mid. Just this month cracked Inter first-11 and is playing at a high level... and Inter is loaded at midfield. A player that lead a Brazilian NT to a title can´t be overlooked. Several great player(and prospects) can´t do that, and handle the pressure... So, when I see a boy do what he did, and start to show it in the professional team, I start to think he can be real good...

The other that I talked, Sandro(DM; Holder):
http://www.internacional.com.br/pagi...28&categoria=5
... was the captain of under-20 Brazil NT and is a starter with Inter since the begining of Brasileirão. Was linked to Spurs. Actually, they bid for him, but Inter reject(lcheap money, and they just selled Nilmar), and even if they accepted, there´s the work permit question.

Two guys to keep an eye

2) I like Rafinha... No Daniel Alves, but a very good RB. He´s small, but is brave and tough for his height. Thats also a problem, since our central defense is amazing, but not that great in the aerial game. That said, he´s not a Cicinho or Ilsinho type of RB(soft), he can defend and can attack. The only thing that I don´t like is that he would take our last non-Eu spot.

Despite the fact I rate Rafinha really high, can´t see him to be a potential WC player like Alves, Alex, Hernanes or Giuliano for example. But since we are in a mess regardind fullback, I would welcome him with open arms.

Better him in the right and Zambro at the left, than Zambro at the right and Grosso at the left...imo.

Originally Posted by mrki

Few days untill the Derby...

At the beggining special hello to my friend Brasiliero and (our loyal scout)!

Posts on previous few pages were great to read. Aguess in the lack of Milan's activities we started to talk about every possible aspect of worlds football mercato.

Thiago Silva always looked strong and smart defender. Nowdays, if we look objectively, BRasil has stronger defensive line then Azzuri: Maicon, Alves, MArcelo, Thiago, Alex, Lucio, Juan... Times change aguess.

The great, MRKI

Yep, Brazil also can´t find a great holder for the midfield(Dunga deserve some blame to not test the young guys: Sandro, Rafael Carioca, Jean...)...a position we had a abundance of players in the near past. At the central defence, where we always had few great choices(sometimes just one for generation) we are loaded for 2010S. Africa dand for 2014 in Brazil.

Also, at RB, we only had Cafu for years, and now we have Alves, Maicon, Rafinha...we are also selling our best player

Times change...

thanks Brasileiro, your post is greatly appreciated. It seems my thoughts on Rafinha (from what I've seen from him) aren't too different to yours.