Banter 2009/2010

http://goal.com/en/news/10/italy/200...-shopping-list

I hope with ends up being true... Rafinha andn Hernanes would be great additions

how many non-eu spots do we have available for the winter transfer market?

Originally Posted by jvig12183

how many non-eu spots do we have available for the winter transfer market?

2 i think. We had one and then got another from releasing the Urguayans...

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

I believe in the sporting worlds, there are always the so call SUPER STARS(those Kaka, Ibra....), then KEY PLAYERS(Pirlo, Seedorf(when he was willing to run) Gattuso...), then ROLE players(Ambro, Emerson...). Quite frankly, Galli had been giving out SUPER STARS contracts to KEY PLAYERS and KEY PLAYERS contract to ROLE players over the past few years.

i 100% agree he gave out stupid contracts to people like kaladze, oddo etc. But it is mrket value for a 30 year old defender with there exerience. It speaks to fact why most teams don't carry 15 30 year old players... they make too much money. You get paid on your resume, not your projection. Thats y a 30 year old will make more than 20 year old.

I do disagree with your post on pirlo, seedorf etc. They werent key, they were stars. IMHO though, the worst thing he did was length.... its hard to transfer a player who is on high wages for 5 years.

Originally Posted by Vulli

Milan - Man City: exchange: Ronaldinho - Robinho ? what do you think ?

a dream that wont happen. Barca will cut it off, they will pay big for robinho

Originally Posted by mrki

It would be a ugly scene seeing Madrid with Alex at the back...huh...

I see the idea about T.Silva playing as a RB looks good to you also ( as we talked aboiut when he still couldnt play and I suggested we buy CB and play Thiago as a RB ). Absolutely, the idea that we could play him athe RB and Nesta-Alex as CB's is something that ( if Milan gets the money somehow ) needs to be done if there is ANY chance with Alex.

T.Silva is a player that plays the same way Puyol plays. Somehow we have bought a magnificent player that is not only doing well with NEsta, but if phisically saving Nesta's energy on the field. If they only had fullbacks to play with!!

I'd play him as a FB in this situation without a doubt, his speed, technique, SHOOT, passing and vision ( plus, tactical awarness ) make ideal defender possible. The way Puyol plays RB Thiago can also do.

Also, I saw Genova in UEFA League. I am afraid that 50% Genova vought from Juve is just on paper and Crscito will come back eventually to Torino and Moggi But if there is a chance, we need to go for him. That player will become tactically perfect and will be classical italian fullback who you can rely to in the biggest possible games.

I'd choose those solutions above all. After that I'd choose Santacroce, who I think Donadoni is not using well. There will be chances like this summer when Inter bought Lucio for almost nothing etc.
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I also agree its not easy to be responsible for dosents of milions for new talents, but the way Galliani and Braida have been operating in past years was simply comical and has nothing to do with serious work in MILAN's favour. (It was in favour of personal money making most likely ).

Yep, my friend... I remember you was the first one to bring this topic here. This just show that you know better Brazilian football than you believe

Since in Europe a CB can´t make runs too often like in Brazil, you guys still didn´t see what T. Silva can do running forward. Silva has some amazing goals in his career. He´s a freak. Alex can´t do that, he´s a shutt down CB. But Tiago can play even as DM.

Regarding the second bold part, I agree with you. the last 2 years our board is being horrible.

@ACMILAN1983: That "Luis Fabiano tooo old" jab wasn´t for you. Despite I desagree that the age thing, your points were always fair and not the cheap shot that I was reading at several Milan boards.
Just to clarify...

Originally Posted by pirlofanusa

2 i think. We had one and then got another from releasing the Urguayans...

Nope, only one. You're allowed two a year, and one was taken this year by Thiago Silva. To use the second you have to release a non-EU in your team, exit Viudez.

Originally Posted by Brasileiro

@ACMILAN1983: That "Luis Fabiano tooo old" jab wasn´t for you. Despite I desagree that the age thing, your points were always fair and not the cheap shot that I was reading at several Milan boards.
Just to clarify...

Don't worry I know it wasn't a shot at me I just thought as the Fabiano debate has come again I wanted to give my opinion (...again )

Edit - Couldn't see the point in creating a thread for this specifically, but thought I'd post the highlights of the recent Stefano Borgonova friendly. We won 2-0 with Simone and Fuser scoring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGZeukQybeI

I dont really want Robinio, he need defense and midfield much more. Huntelaar needs more chances I am really excited we bought him, once he is in form, he is a great player

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Don't worry I know it wasn't a shot at me I just thought as the Fabiano debate has come again I wanted to give my opinion (...again )

Edit - Couldn't see the point in creating a thread for this specifically, but thought I'd post the highlights of the recent Stefano Borgonova friendly. We won 2-0 with Simone and Fuser scoring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGZeukQybeI

Your opinions is always valid(and fair), even when I don´t agree

Thanks for the highlights, I heard about this game but forgot to look for some videos.

Regarding Robinho and Ronaldinho debate: I´m confortable because before Ronaldinho purchase, there was a little debate here, and at that time I said Robinho would be a MUCH better purchase than Ronaldinho. Today, there´s not even debate... at least imo.

Btw, he´s a much better group player(for the team, locker room...) than Ronaldinho. Also, his social life is more normal than people talk. In Spain they love to say that a player that is underperforming is a party boy. Only if it is a foreign of course. Such cowards...

Ronaldinho was know here in Brasil after some time in Barcelona as a party boy. That was one of the reasons for his debacle. Not only that, but we all know here that he never gave 100% on training sessions. And all that with the agreement of the coach some guys wanted here.

But they(spanish pappers) put Deco and Robinho on the same boat. Both guys have a normal social life. They are no Kaka, but you don´t see both in a party before a game, or at a big party after Brazil been humiliated in Word Cup(Ronaldinho and Adriano). A guy can´t take a beer or go to a club? So, let´s close Bundesliga. There are pics of Rafinha leaving a party in the mornig and tottal drunk on google but for some reason in Germany(thats a country that I like) they know a player can go party at the right time.

I can´t argue with Adriano, Ronaldinho, but Robinho isn´t on the same boat as both. Don´t believe in what AS and Marca started for Calderon to sell Robinho for to buy C. Ronaldo. Even Casillas jumps at that time to say people were lying about Robinho behaviour...
Edit: This is the guy that hold Alex there(he and Hiddink), even fighting against Mourinho. If this became true, I can see the Tank opting to go out.
http://goal.com/en/news/9/england/20...ne-for-chelsea
Edit2: There´s Carlo... I almost forget.

From r&b forum... thought you'd like...

For the German press rafinha has an agreement with Milan

rimbalzava this morning a voice insistent by Germany, rafinha has signed with Milan. At the moment there are findings official, but the player doesn't want know nothing more of Schalke, In the House to each lot shall be attracted booed just touches ball, the player to be at least three months has given a mandate to its prosecutor to find him a team as soon as possible, want to change air already from January magath and also now knows and does nothing to keep secret. The Milan has in hand this strong back Brazilian, be curious meanwhile see if the coach German tonight in big match Schalke-Wolfsburg it will employ the beginning.

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It's no secret he wont be w/ schalke next year. After the olympic fine, he's basically let it be known he'll article 17 next summer. So schalke may sell him in january just to recoup anything


Edit: Does anyone know if he has an EU passport, i heard he does, nonreliable though. If he does we can sign hernanes too which goal.com and TMW are claiming we r gonna

as for robinho.... i have no problem with him partying cause from what I've seen it really has never effected his performance. he's never got fat etc. I think he needs some motivation. Real Madrid paid him poorly and never respected his contribution, in general real madrid is not a place to go unless you are an established star. or spanish.... They were also a mess when he signed. Man City? That was never going to be a huge success.

He might be at right maturity now to come to milan.

Edit: and for Alex, on a free, definitely... he's a quality defender for free.

I would love to have Rafinha, he would fit great in Leo's system

Originally Posted by Milano84

i 100% agree he gave out stupid contracts to people like kaladze, oddo etc. But it is mrket value for a 30 year old defender with there exerience. It speaks to fact why most teams don't carry 15 30 year old players... they make too much money. You get paid on your resume, not your projection. Thats y a 30 year old will make more than 20 year old.

I do disagree with your post on pirlo, seedorf etc. They werent key, they were stars. IMHO though, the worst thing he did was length.... its hard to transfer a player who is on high wages for 5 years.

Like I said, Milan should have let the words out and let the players and their agents to see what is their value before giving out contracts to them. As players and agents will always think they are worth 5 mil a season for the next 5 yrs due to what they had done. But the reality might be that, teams would only go up to 3mil a year for a 4 yrs contract.... Then if Milan is offering 3.5 mil for 4 yrs, the players will sign and be happy.

Man City is our last (and only) hope, but I doubt they are that stupid. I would be happy if Berlusconi did not give R80 a raise or extension. If Robihno arrived, at least we would have one Brazilian NT player.