Banter 2009/2010

Spend big, and you will become Real Madrid version 2.1 (just a copy of the current "Galacticos") ...
Spend smart, and you will become AC Milan version 2.1 (a winning team, nothing less, nothing more) ...

Originally Posted by Saliwonczyk

If this means getting Pastore though? This Argentinian could be our future as well, and knowing our state of finance, we won't be able to buy him outright... And how long can Flamini wait until Gattuso retires?

Considering how hard Galliani and Braida are actually pushing for Pastore, this deal could happen, like it or not...

From what I have heard, Braida rings up the Palermo chairman "every time" Pastore plays well, asking if he may come to Milan.

As for Abate, I would love to see us get a quality FB (like Cissoko sigh....) and give this guy a chance to play where he feels best, in attack. It's obvious to see this youngster's talent, and if we can utilize him right.....

Well, if to have a young and probably soon WC player, we have to give one of the few "young" and almost WC player, it's useless ...

Pastore in while guys like Kaladze are out is a good move, Pastore in while Flamini, or guys like Pato or Thiago Silva are out, that's just pointless.

The positive thing is that many players will leave this summer so that we HAVE to replace them! Dida, Kaladze, Jankulovski, Onyewu (?) Favalli, Beckham, Inzaghi (?), Mancini, Huntelaar (?), will all leave most probably.

Some players are already confirmed: Astori, Paloschi, Marcus Diniz.

So that means we still have to replace a lot of players.
As for the GK position, I think we could go on with Abbiati and Roma, but we need a decent backup.

The defence needs a few new players. especially a rightfullback. And also a good leftfullback (backup) to replace antonini when injured. Antonini has convinced me and should be given the chance next season IMO.
>Rafinha
>VD Wiel
>Rami
>M. Motta
>Bosingwa

just saying some names here

We also need a more than decent CD. I dont know how good Astori really is, IF he has the potential to be a starter in a few years he could be our man, but If he is only good enough to sit on the bench we need one more.
>Astori
>Kjaer (!!)
>Bonucci
>Ranocchia

many good options here!!

In midfield Flamini should be a starter. Pirlo and max, I dont know, they have their games but they do not totally convince me. especially Pirlo, I wouldnt mind replacing him; I want a running midfield, players with energy. + it would be nice to find the new Seedorf, a powerfull creative midfielder who can hold the ball. But I dont think there is anyone available like him, Seedorf is a exquisite player, one of the best in the last decade!
>Fabregas (dream signing)
>Hernanes (!!)
>Inler ?
>D'Agostino
>Anderson

In attack we need a new starting striker for sure. Borriello and huntelaar are not good enough. Borriello can stay as he is excellent against the smaller sides, the hunter can and will leave IMO. on the wing we have dinho and pato who are both great players!!! but we need at least 1 backup, someone like Krasic would be sweet. as for the striker, I think we dont need to look any further than Dzeko... becouse, who els is available of his quality?
>Dzeko
>Krasic ?
>Hazard (!!)


We could be really great again with 6/7 signings. not all have to be top quality players, also a few backups are needed. I would be happy with: Dzeko, Hazard, Hernanes, Kjaer, Motta/Rami + the youngsters who will come back, paloschi, astori & Diniz

I think the defense is pretty much set as Oddo, Janku, Fava and Kala are gone and Astori and Gouch coming back from injury are in.
Antonini should hold down a spot at either LB or RB
Zambro will fill in here and there.
Abate is good enough, I think another season as RB will do him good and he does have the potential to be a very good RB. Personally, maybe I am having too much faith in Abate to mature and be more consistent but I really don't see Rafinha, Motta, Bosingwa as a huge upgrade from Abate. I mean, this is only the first real season Abate is playing as RB.
Albertazzi should be able to play more next season and so is De Vito.
IF Bonucci or Santacroce come, great, but I won't be disappoint if no defender is bought in as I do have faith in youth such as Astori, Albertazzi, De Vito, Abate and even Darmian.

Hey guys, good news for those who support Flamini like myself....

He is said to be given a chance to prove himself for the remainder of the season, or be transferred, and I am suspecting Hunterlaar will be given that same chance as well.... As for an overhaul of the squad, it doesn't seemt o be happening, and I agree with that as well. Getting rid of Seedorf or Gatusso (however sentimental you feel to them, they are deadweight and holding others back...), and promoting a youngter is not overhauling.

Here is some news, if u trust Tribal: http://www.tribalfootball.com/ac-mil...g-squad-697821

And BTW, Astori is defs coming back, so Kala should make way for him....

Thanks

Originally Posted by Samaldinho

To be realistic, I think big money should be spent on Dzeko and another midfielder, my choice is Anderson, as I think he could come for 10-12, considering he was bought for 17 and has fallen out of favor at United.

Ok, I agree with you, if we could buy just two players that would be it. Dzeko and Anderson would be good. Though I agree we can wait with young keeper, because we have Storari as a cover for at least year or two, but I REALLY think we're struggling at side back positions and we really need a replacement for Nesta, first cover and later a permanent replacement. From everything I've heard, Bari's CB duo are super-hot prospects, some (for me) respectful people think that they both will be better than Kjaer. So, as Ranocchia is already Inter's, we should get Bonucci. There's always option to get Santacroce but the price tag would be high and he certainly has some major problems with his body.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201.../03/11/madrid/

I like this articel, but I think this guy forgot something... Where is the money going to come from? Maybe MGT should beg supporters for donations now....

The article simply states what NEEDS to be done, not what will be done. There is a big difference between the two. I think we can all see what's coming this summer. Galliani will fly around the world nonstop to negotiate with players and end up with nobody; Galliani will then go on a media circuis about how we are interested in about 3000 players and are working hard on building a strong team; we end up with nobody; B&G talks about how this team is perfect, the fans are ignorant to want new signings, the italian tax system has made it impossible to actually spend money on the team, etc. Same old garbage, same old garbage.

I think MGT are happy because they longer expect to or want to win the scudetto or champions league , they are happy with champions league qualification (finish in top 3) and to get out of the group maybe the quarters at best. This is why they will not overhaul damn I don't think anyone besides Paloschi , Astori and Diniz will come with Kala , Dida , Janku and Favalli + Oddo leaving.

Well thats their decision but the thing is if that happens I don't think our older players being another year older will finish in the top 3 or get out of a champions league group honestly. I mean next year the ages will be ridiculous Pirlo 31 and moving like Billy at 40 , Oddo 34 and gone as a player , Zambro 33 gone aswell , Nesta 35 just cannot play more 20 - 25 league games nevermind the champions league aswell , Seedorf 34 so inconsistent , Rino 32 done , Ambro 33 has 1 good game 1 ordinary followed by 3 bad , Dinho when he doesn't go the WC for Brasil will not care and will be 30 aswell .

And you add to that Bonera , Gooch , Abate , Antonini , Borri , Hunter , Astori who may or may not be good enough and some say he will be a starter in 2 or 3 years he will be 27 then if he can't start at almost 24 then he will never good enough, Diniz I know nothing about , Paloschi good potential but not a champions league level player , Adiyiah who knows .

That for me honestly only leaves Pato , Silva , Flamini that are good-great and could be amazing.
If there is no overhaul or at least 5 new handy players then we won't make the top 3 again next year .

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

I think the defense is pretty much set as Oddo, Janku, Fava and Kala are gone and Astori and Gouch coming back from injury are in.
Antonini should hold down a spot at either LB or RB
Zambro will fill in here and there.
Abate is good enough, I think another season as RB will do him good and he does have the potential to be a very good RB. Personally, maybe I am having too much faith in Abate to mature and be more consistent but I really don't see Rafinha, Motta, Bosingwa as a huge upgrade from Abate. I mean, this is only the first real season Abate is playing as RB.
Albertazzi should be able to play more next season and so is De Vito.
IF Bonucci or Santacroce come, great, but I won't be disappoint if no defender is bought in as I do have faith in youth such as Astori, Albertazzi, De Vito, Abate and even Darmian.

Abate isnt good enough IMO; both offensively en defensive, his crosses are not too good and his positioning in defence is awfull at times. I like him in midfield more becouse of his energy!

Abbiati

Rami - Nesta - Silva - Antonini

Flamini-Hernanes

Pirlo/seedorf

Pato-Dzeko-Dinho


this is a very good team, but also our current starting 11 aint THAT bad, the problem is our weak bench. when everyone is fit we are still a more than decent team. but Injuries will always be a part of football so... We need a decent bench.

Originally Posted by Filipéz 182

Abate isnt good enough IMO; both offensively en defensive, his crosses are not too good and his positioning in defence is awfull at times. I like him in midfield more becouse of his energy!

Abbiati

Rami - Nesta - Silva - Antonini

Flamini-Hernanes

Pirlo/seedorf

Pato-Dzeko-Dinho


this is a very good team, but also our current starting 11 aint THAT bad, the problem is our weak bench. when everyone is fit we are still a more than decent team. but Injuries will always be a part of football so... We need a decent bench.

Hernanes is a very must in midfield,i completely agree on it...

i dont know much about Rami so i cant comment on him.if im not mistaken he is a CB who can play at RB and plays for Lille...he is not the typee SB who can push up and offer so much offensive power...

Abate is weak defensively,he is a weak player,his pace is not enough to make starting line up...

Antonini,i dont think he is enough as well.he struggled vs great players such as Maicon...he had a great game at Siena for instance,then 1 week later,he did nothing vs Maicon...inform Antonini did nothing vs out of form Maicon.that says it all...

Flamini-Hernanes midfield is nice...i'd add a bench player who can play in starting line up in anytime...who can press,can keep the ball,quick and run up with the ball like United's Park's and Flecther...

For wingers,i'd sign Krasic and he would provide excellent alternative for Pato and Ronaldinho and Seedorf too...

Dzeko is great player and much better than our strikers...he scored vs United...yet i dont consider us signing 40 m euros on him...he doesnt cost as much as 40m euros...24 m euros is the maximum i'd give to him if you ask me...

i'd sign Simplicio for midfield,excellent bench player for midfield...he would offer so much from the bench...

Regarding GK...we have 4-5 GK yet still have problem with the GK...Abbiati is a nice GK yet he was never a World Class Gk in my eyes...he can concede a stupid goal anytime then after seconds he can make a miracle save...he never gives me some confidence...i knew United would score...

Tremenolunisa(sorry for spelling) for 8 m euros would be excellent buy for our LSB...

i always said that we need BTB players for this 4-3-3...i was never happy with Pirlo-Ambro and Gattuso/Flamini midfield...i was never happy with Borriello...

Hernanes has not ruled out a move to Italy but he clubs he mentioned are Juventus and Inter no mention of Milan now although it did say Milan were interested a year or so ago.The article also said that his price is 15 million which is too much for Juve but not Inter.
This is depressing if true (I know its just an article) I mean I know the mercato isn't even open but I guess Im still hurting from wed.

Dzeko , Krasic , Hernanes , Rami , Rafinha , V.D Vaart all dreams for us know maybe 1will come but who knows the truth is we need all of them.

I know some people think that with Dzeko and a Hernanes/Anderson type player we will be able to compete again added to that Paloschi and Astori and Diniz , but I don't that will just give us a striker who will get 20-25 goals and 1 betteer midfielder the Ambro's , Pirlo's , Zambro's and Gattusso's will still be slowing everything down.

I agree Abate is not and never will be a good RB he has no technique positioning sense for a defender he is rushed and his passing isn't very good.
Antonini while better than Abate hardly even 20% of Maldini on an ordinary day and not as good as Janku when he arrived. De Gennaro is just not up to replacing anyone. Paloschi is small and not very strong or fast a Pippo style player but his shooting is better than Pippo of the last 5 or 6 years.

What Im saying is we need a LB and a RB Astri and Diniz will do at CB , We also need a creative midfielder who can mix it up and defend when needed aswell. A winger like Krasic that has pace skill can beat people can cross and shoot and be used as an outlet . An actual goalscorer something we havn't had since Sheva left really a guy that will get 25 goals a season.

If that happens (some chance id say) then yeah we'd be looking good and genuine challenger's for major honours but until then we plod along with the same ol same ol easily outrun past it player's. Im greatfull for everything the guy's have done just Utd are greatfull to Berg , Beckham , P.Neville , V.Nistelrooy , Yorke and Cole but they moved on while most of our team have been there since 2001/2002 its not working its flawed and easilly beaten by good teams.

And now Nesta needs surgey on a broken knee tendon and will miss the rest of the season , he may go without surgery but that will just give a high risk of a worse injury that at 34 would end his career.

NESTA OUT OF THE SEASON

now lets hope for top 3..

Originally Posted by M.O.I.

NESTA OUT OF THE SEASON

now lets hope for top 3..

cmon M.O.I ..its still not official yet...and plus we have come too far to quit now...lets try to go all the way!!

Well he does have that Injury and at 34 the risk of a worse Injury without surgery is big. However if he is willing to try and rehab the knee without surgery and play on well thats up to him. But even without surgery how long will it take to get him back on the pitch ? , if anyone has any idea.