Banter 2009/2010

Start rioting hitmannq? You want to make us look like those Merda supporters who threw flares into the field and broke players' car. Well, while we're on it we might as well chant out racist song then kill an officer as a bonus. With all respect my friend, your suggestion is stupid.

I think what we're doing this year is more appropriate: stop buying the season ticket. This, and not violence, is the best way to show our disagreement with how our beloved is run by those two baldies.

I think we just bought Mario Yepes on free transfer =)

You know what will happen.

RVN will come to Milan for free, and in Galli's words, he will be a mentor for Hunter.....
Ballack or Deco will come, Berlu or Galli will say that he adds depth to the midfield as he can play in Pirlo or Seedorf role.
Since Yepes is the CB, we can all forget about anyone younger than 24.

Back to more serious matters, the reason why ManU is doing as well as they are after selling CRonaldo is mainly b/c they play with a system and stick to their transfer plan. Fergie is smart enough to know that the only player to truly replace and upgrade from CR7/9 is Messi. Since there is no way of getting Messi, he just went out and got players who can fill in that role-Valencia and Obertan. Both are fast, can dribble and can cross. Ofcourse, we all saw what Valencia can do at CL.

As I said before the CL games, Park, Fletcher and Carrick might not be as talented as Pirlo, Dinho, Seedorf and Beck, but those three compliment each other very well. And it shows.

Personally, I think Fletcher is very close to become a WC CAM. He plays exactly like Ambro(when in form) except he manages to do that more consistently. Park is just an engine and is someone who will annoy you, as he is not a rough and tough house but he never gives up on the pitch. As for Carrick, he is not spectacular but he does everything well above average. I am mentioning these three b/c when they first broke into the BIG screen, they were not the most talented players around, but they worked hard and become good to great players. Something that in time, I hope Abate and Antonini can become.
I think the problem with the rapid decline for Milan players are that they were never a hard working, constant running unit rather a team blessed with great individual talents. Thats why when one or two starters are missing or off forms, the team most likely will struggle.

I am all for MIlan signing and developing players like Abate, Verdi, De Vito, Antonini....but as long as they sign players who are 34 yrs old and extending contract to a 33 yrs old...those young players will never get a chance to play. Yeah, Manu got G. Neville, Scholes, Giggs and VderSal, but beside the GK, the rest of them are squad players. Actually G Neville is their 3rd choice RB.
Having Yepes as back up is okay, as long as guys like Kala, Janku, Oddo, Favalli, even Gattuso and Seedorf make way for younger players next year.

Dont mention Antonini is that way. He is not young and is not a player of a highest quality, or is a player for Milans first 11. Its obvious.

Galliani is continuing to do what he does, nothing good. Yepes? Come on...

Havent you read the article from some journalist who says Silvio wanted Galliani and half of the Milanello out, but its not easy to fire man who is here for 25 years and knows things that cannot leave Milannello? So Silvio and Fininvestclosed the bank and Galliani is working with what he creates. That started with milions Galliani and Braida spent of half-players who are half-signed and never came to MIlan,trips to Brasil for private fun and signing players that also never played for us... Not changing doctors coz they are Galliani's choice and he defends it ( even Silvio had personal problems with diagnosis in Milanlab..), not selling after 2007 and creating wage debts that needed to be fixed afterwards, not signing what scouts said ( Modric, Jovetic for 3mln etc. ), not investing in primavera for TEN years etc.

Galliani hasint signed decent player from serie a for ages and we have no relationships with any team. We sign players after then play good 90min against us. Pathetic. LAst player Galliani signed was Gila, with the halp from Berlusconi who called in and payed the rest! Flamini was a good move, and Kaka' and Pato were Leo's jobs as LEo was begging to trust him. Also Thiago...

Galliani created this **** is the club and created a roster that needs 10 new players and has players like Kaladze, Dida, MArek etc., who are payed like they are CAmbiasso, MExes and Cesar!

Also, ned GM was supposed to be Leo, as Silvio's choice. But Galliani made him a new coach, so if Leo succedes Galliani did a great job, if Leo failes, he is out of the club and out of the reace for the position.

First choice was always MAldini, but Paolo refused to work with Galliani and in that enviroment. Its well known Maldini doesnt like today's Milanello sistem or younh vs old "development". Players do what they want and have hierrarchy that is not professional. Back when Cappello was a coach no phones were available in Milanello, no family visits on days basis etc. Today its high-life with no results!

Galliani never defended Maldini after his last game and incident vs Curva coz Maldini was never with Galliani in this whole thing.

You ask why Galliani does this? Coz being a GM of AC Milan makes you so much money you cant even immagine. Specially if you use 10mln per year for Brasil trips and "scouting" that never happens. Playing scouts in Africa, France, Balkans etc., and not finding any players! Buying Adiyiah after seeing him in 6 games. Even I saw he is no good for us!!

Talking about PAstore ( who is a genious by the way...), Ibra etc. And actually he did nothing, coz his "campioni" had wages that no other club wanted to pay and do not want to leave the club and cannot be sold as they are injured and old.

Didnt said yes to Yoan and his first team football, coz Seedorf, super Pirlo, Beckham are great campions bla, bla... and he is paying the absurde money to walk around.

Player he brought from MAdrid was Huntelaar coz he can sell Hunter wery well in the summer, not coz Hunter was our solution.

We are in "transition"? Dont tell me anyone believes in that ****.

As fast as galliani goes, faster we'll get back to being serious club.
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I also have to say and be fair, as I was vs Carlo, that Idont like what Leo is doing. Let the man scout and work on his coaching, this is no good. There are coaches like Prandelli ( who will leave Viola ), players like Bonucci, Rannochia, Bale, Hernanes, Krasic, Aguero, Dzeko, maybe Ballottelli, Montolivo, Vargas, De Silvestri, Hamsik... we cannot say that if we bring Yepes to be 3rd or 4th Cb with Bonera, one FB, CM, and Dzeko we solved something... Still Gattuso will want to play, Seedorf, Pirlo older by one year, Dinho who is a narcis, PAto as a RW, MilanLab who doesnt work, injured NEsta, Abate that cannot defend, half-quality player like Antonini, Oddo, Zambrotta ( horrible ). Who will be 2nd CF, Borriello? Hahaha! He can go back to Genoa and play this ridiculous rugby-calcio he plays.

People talk about Paloschi - have you seen him play? He is not a player that can lift Milans game, not now.

We need 7 players, not less. And that is not possible. Years will pass untill we see great Milan back.

Originally Posted by catennacio

I think we just bought Mario Yepes on free transfer =)

An embarassing move, as if we would have a problem with a squad, that is too young...

mrki you've made a lot of accusations and comments about Galliani, Berlu, Maldini and others. Do you have any reliable sources to back all this up?

Originally Posted by Samaldinho

Giorgos, I agree, Man Utd has utilized a plan very well. But they might have gotten rid of Phil Neville, but they still have his older brother Gary (35), they also still play Scholes (35), and Giggs (36), and a 40 year old GK in Van der Saar, and they depend on these players, and that's fine, but the reason why they are able to play as long as they do is because they have players who are not WC, are not starters, but prolong the playing career of these players.

Originally Posted by Samaldinho

It is what i said, they have some old players that they give to some important games... 3, because VDS is a GK (they play in old age in this position). In contrast we have a lot... who don't give anything... F.E we all love Pippo but he cant' play with that contract...



I think we will get rid of Dida, Janku, Kaladze, and I think we'll be bringing in more players like Abate, Antonini and the like. Yepes is a great first step.

I wish but i don't think so... Yepes is a veteran also...


get new investment, Berlu wants to spend money, or we can identify targets like Kaka and Gourcuff, who will come for far cheaper than Pastore.

I am sure Berlu will not invest (he invest only to cheaks an dto Plastic Surgeons), Kaka is not playing in Real (let him in their bench), Gorky must have been in our team ... he is what we need fresh and talented legs..

Antonini as you said is not Def is a MF... so is not for defense...

But hey, Giorgos, since you are a PAOK fan, do you remember Shikabala? I think he'd be great for Milan, what do you think?

Shika was an excellent player... but immature...

Originally Posted by mrki

Dont mention Antonini is that way. He is not young and is not a player of a highest quality, or is a player for Milans first 11. Its obvious.

Galliani is continuing to do what he does, nothing good. Yepes? Come on...

Havent you read the article from some journalist who says Silvio wanted Galliani and half of the Milanello out, but its not easy to fire man who is here for 25 years and knows things that cannot leave Milannello? So Silvio and Fininvestclosed the bank and Galliani is working with what he creates. That started with milions Galliani and Braida spent of half-players who are half-signed and never came to MIlan,trips to Brasil for private fun and signing players that also never played for us... Not changing doctors coz they are Galliani's choice and he defends it ( even Silvio had personal problems with diagnosis in Milanlab..), not selling after 2007 and creating wage debts that needed to be fixed afterwards, not signing what scouts said ( Modric, Jovetic for 3mln etc. ), not investing in primavera for TEN years etc.

Galliani hasint signed decent player from serie a for ages and we have no relationships with any team. We sign players after then play good 90min against us. Pathetic. LAst player Galliani signed was Gila, with the halp from Berlusconi who called in and payed the rest! Flamini was a good move, and Kaka' and Pato were Leo's jobs as LEo was begging to trust him. Also Thiago...

Galliani created this **** is the club and created a roster that needs 10 new players and has players like Kaladze, Dida, MArek etc., who are payed like they are CAmbiasso, MExes and Cesar!

Also, ned GM was supposed to be Leo, as Silvio's choice. But Galliani made him a new coach, so if Leo succedes Galliani did a great job, if Leo failes, he is out of the club and out of the reace for the position.

First choice was always MAldini, but Paolo refused to work with Galliani and in that enviroment. Its well known Maldini doesnt like today's Milanello sistem or younh vs old "development". Players do what they want and have hierrarchy that is not professional. Back when Cappello was a coach no phones were available in Milanello, no family visits on days basis etc. Today its high-life with no results!

Galliani never defended Maldini after his last game and incident vs Curva coz Maldini was never with Galliani in this whole thing.

You ask why Galliani does this? Coz being a GM of AC Milan makes you so much money you cant even immagine. Specially if you use 10mln per year for Brasil trips and "scouting" that never happens. Playing scouts in Africa, France, Balkans etc., and not finding any players! Buying Adiyiah after seeing him in 6 games. Even I saw he is no good for us!!

Talking about PAstore ( who is a genious by the way...), Ibra etc. And actually he did nothing, coz his "campioni" had wages that no other club wanted to pay and do not want to leave the club and cannot be sold as they are injured and old.

Didnt said yes to Yoan and his first team football, coz Seedorf, super Pirlo, Beckham are great campions bla, bla... and he is paying the absurde money to walk around.

Player he brought from MAdrid was Huntelaar coz he can sell Hunter wery well in the summer, not coz Hunter was our solution.

We are in "transition"? Dont tell me anyone believes in that ****.

As fast as galliani goes, faster we'll get back to being serious club.
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I also have to say and be fair, as I was vs Carlo, that Idont like what Leo is doing. Let the man scout and work on his coaching, this is no good. There are coaches like Prandelli ( who will leave Viola ), players like Bonucci, Rannochia, Bale, Hernanes, Krasic, Aguero, Dzeko, maybe Ballottelli, Montolivo, Vargas, De Silvestri, Hamsik... we cannot say that if we bring Yepes to be 3rd or 4th Cb with Bonera, one FB, CM, and Dzeko we solved something... Still Gattuso will want to play, Seedorf, Pirlo older by one year, Dinho who is a narcis, PAto as a RW, MilanLab who doesnt work, injured NEsta, Abate that cannot defend, half-quality player like Antonini, Oddo, Zambrotta ( horrible ). Who will be 2nd CF, Borriello? Hahaha! He can go back to Genoa and play this ridiculous rugby-calcio he plays.

People talk about Paloschi - have you seen him play? He is not a player that can lift Milans game, not now.

We need 7 players, not less. And that is not possible. Years will pass untill we see great Milan back.

Best post I read since I'm here.

I said this earlier, we have to work on our hierarchy first. We need new general manager (i.e., CEO). Galliani obviously isn't good anymore. Maldini and Leonardo should take Galliani's and Braida's respective places. Also, we need to get rid that redundant "scouts". For example, we appointed Gullit to be our scout in Netherlands and a year pasts and not even a sign that we are after some talented player from Erdevisie.

Then, Leonardo is not a coach, he could be a great coach in five years time, but how his coaching and his tactics are joke. He should take one of management positions as I said above. He's a scouting genius and it's a waste, because he can't scout a sh.t while he's a coach. We need to get a serious coach. Prandelli is about to live Firenze after this season and we should snap him even before this season comes to end.

We should've done all this even before this season, we needed to take Spaletti, but no, Galliani chose to get rid of his "opponent" by giving him a coach position.

And for "transition". Every Milan fan knows that this year transition didn't exist. Management stayed the same, we took worse coach than we already had, and this year of "transition" resulted in absolutely NO new players evolving since last season. At the end of last season we had many problems in our squad, but now we have even more! I don't know if you people understand that we didn't fixed ONE position during the course of this season! Not even one player to say "Oh he's evolved, we don't need a player there (on that position)". Only Thiago Silva and he's here from last season.

So, this season was about to be the start of transition (finally!) but that didn't happen. We lost another season.

There's no help in buying all the players we need. And we can't fix that not for one summer, but for two summers or more; 6 or 7 players, we can't to that in two years with this management and this coach.

We need new, proved coach, Prandelli, Hiddink would be great (Prandelli is available) and we need a management to tell him "There's your squad, see what you can make out of it" and then management, ALONG with coach makes a two years plan what needs to be done and how to do it. Right now we need 6 or 7 players, but a coach like mentioned two can make it less, i.e. he can make an average player into a good team player in his system, just like Ferguson is doing with Fletcher, Brown, O'Shea, Carrick, etc.

That's what I wanted to add to the post that perfectly summarizes post-2007 (or even -2006) Milan.

Hypothetical question here, if we could sign one or the other but not both who would you prefer to sign Balotelli or Dzeko?

Originally Posted by Kaka1899

Hypothetical question here, if we could sign one or the other but not both who would you prefer to sign Balotelli or Dzeko?

Dzeko. He's almost a world-class player already, and Balotelli may never become world-class with his attitude...

Originally Posted by mrki

...tl;dr...

wow nice science fiction story...
can you cite a source for any of those "insider facts" you talked about?

so supposedly Berlusconi has power rivalry with Galliani?! Dude, use common sense, it's Berlus club and he can fire whoever he has problems with.

then you say Galliani offered Maldini spot? lol source?

dude... seriously ... I can too make myself look like a genius if I start making up insider stories detective Colombo style...
I guess you have too much time on hands and a lack of "exciting conspiracy theories"

Originally Posted by Kaka1899

Hypothetical question here, if we could sign one or the other but not both who would you prefer to sign Balotelli or Dzeko?

they're both huge milan fans,so -they would both be welcomed..
dzeko has achived more till now and he is a more safe choice,mario has just showed some gr8 talent..

the only pro of balotelli's capture,would be that he has played for inter since a kid,but is declaring his love for they most hated team without any fear!so if he succeded with us,he would be a gr8 symbol,especcially for the fans!

http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=20407

By Luca Serafini, he is a journalist I thnk.

flame, if you could actually think while you read and not only like a sick demented person ( which seems you are ) think about what are you gonna say about me in advance, you would see I wrote "havent you seen the article.." And also that Silvio wanted Maldini, Galliani had nothing with wanting Maldini at helm etc.

To conclude, I wrote to you about the article by the journalist I found on milannews and that was discussed and translated in "milanezi sa balkana". But since some people dont mind to actually read what it says I need to post it aguess.

To story about Maldini not wanting to work with Galliani is old, and year or so back I posted it from an interwiew with Kaka' made by Boban in croatian papers.

The story is not mine, I just bring it to you. BUT, all the thing I said about Galliani stand, and if someone doesnt agree it was moronic to lead the aquarda that way, then he is crazyer then galliani.

Originally Posted by mrki

http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=20407

By Luca Serafini, he is a journalist I thnk.

flame, if you could actually think while you read and not only like a sick demented person ( which seems you are ) think about what are you gonna say about me in advance, you would see I wrote "havent you seen the article.." And also that Silvio wanted Maldini, Galliani had nothing with wanting Maldini at helm etc.

To conclude, I wrote to you about the article by the journalist I found on milannews and that was discussed and translated in "milanezi sa balkana". But since some people dont mind to actually read what it says I need to post it aguess.

To story about Maldini not wanting to work with Galliani is old, and year or so back I posted it from an interwiew with Kaka' made by Boban in croatian papers.

The story is not mine, I just bring it to you. BUT, all the thing I said about Galliani stand, and if someone doesnt agree it was moronic to lead the aquarda that way, then he is crazyer then galliani.

I'm sorry Mrki but that's an "article"/text from a fan like you or me ... the guy says he was inspired to write this "article"/text after reading a sentence in the article of the Luca Serafini who is probably a journalist ("Berlusconi would want to change the staff", it's the only sentence the guy took from this article, all the rest is HIS point of view).

I generally never read these "Lettera del tifoso" articles (meaning: "mail of the fan"). We already read that on the forum, but at least, here, we can reply, comment, have to prove what we say, etc, whereas on this website, you can't reply and as a consequence, what say the people can be seen as truth. Be careful about the sources of documents, and when you read this kind of text (won't call that an article anymore), you have to read carefully without taking anything said as something true, real ...

Originally Posted by mrki

Dont mention Antonini is that way. He is not young and is not a player of a highest quality, or is a player for Milans first 11. Its obvious.

Galliani is continuing to do what he does, nothing good. Yepes? Come on...

Havent you read the article from some journalist who says Silvio wanted Galliani and half of the Milanello out, but its not easy to fire man who is here for 25 years and knows things that cannot leave Milannello? So Silvio and Fininvestclosed the bank and Galliani is working with what he creates. That started with milions Galliani and Braida spent of half-players who are half-signed and never came to MIlan,trips to Brasil for private fun and signing players that also never played for us... Not changing doctors coz they are Galliani's choice and he defends it ( even Silvio had personal problems with diagnosis in Milanlab..), not selling after 2007 and creating wage debts that needed to be fixed afterwards, not signing what scouts said ( Modric, Jovetic for 3mln etc. ), not investing in primavera for TEN years etc.

Galliani hasint signed decent player from serie a for ages and we have no relationships with any team. We sign players after then play good 90min against us. Pathetic. LAst player Galliani signed was Gila, with the halp from Berlusconi who called in and payed the rest! Flamini was a good move, and Kaka' and Pato were Leo's jobs as LEo was begging to trust him. Also Thiago...

Galliani created this **** is the club and created a roster that needs 10 new players and has players like Kaladze, Dida, MArek etc., who are payed like they are CAmbiasso, MExes and Cesar!

Also, ned GM was supposed to be Leo, as Silvio's choice. But Galliani made him a new coach, so if Leo succedes Galliani did a great job, if Leo failes, he is out of the club and out of the reace for the position.

First choice was always MAldini, but Paolo refused to work with Galliani and in that enviroment. Its well known Maldini doesnt like today's Milanello sistem or younh vs old "development". Players do what they want and have hierrarchy that is not professional. Back when Cappello was a coach no phones were available in Milanello, no family visits on days basis etc. Today its high-life with no results!

Galliani never defended Maldini after his last game and incident vs Curva coz Maldini was never with Galliani in this whole thing.

You ask why Galliani does this? Coz being a GM of AC Milan makes you so much money you cant even immagine. Specially if you use 10mln per year for Brasil trips and "scouting" that never happens. Playing scouts in Africa, France, Balkans etc., and not finding any players! Buying Adiyiah after seeing him in 6 games. Even I saw he is no good for us!!

Talking about PAstore ( who is a genious by the way...), Ibra etc. And actually he did nothing, coz his "campioni" had wages that no other club wanted to pay and do not want to leave the club and cannot be sold as they are injured and old.

Didnt said yes to Yoan and his first team football, coz Seedorf, super Pirlo, Beckham are great campions bla, bla... and he is paying the absurde money to walk around.

Player he brought from MAdrid was Huntelaar coz he can sell Hunter wery well in the summer, not coz Hunter was our solution.

We are in "transition"? Dont tell me anyone believes in that ****.

As fast as galliani goes, faster we'll get back to being serious club.
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I also have to say and be fair, as I was vs Carlo, that Idont like what Leo is doing. Let the man scout and work on his coaching, this is no good. There are coaches like Prandelli ( who will leave Viola ), players like Bonucci, Rannochia, Bale, Hernanes, Krasic, Aguero, Dzeko, maybe Ballottelli, Montolivo, Vargas, De Silvestri, Hamsik... we cannot say that if we bring Yepes to be 3rd or 4th Cb with Bonera, one FB, CM, and Dzeko we solved something... Still Gattuso will want to play, Seedorf, Pirlo older by one year, Dinho who is a narcis, PAto as a RW, MilanLab who doesnt work, injured NEsta, Abate that cannot defend, half-quality player like Antonini, Oddo, Zambrotta ( horrible ). Who will be 2nd CF, Borriello? Hahaha! He can go back to Genoa and play this ridiculous rugby-calcio he plays.

People talk about Paloschi - have you seen him play? He is not a player that can lift Milans game, not now.

We need 7 players, not less. And that is not possible. Years will pass untill we see great Milan back.

CAN you link the said journalist article, pleasE?