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Originally Posted by GeoTav

Flamini as LB ?
Last season, and in Arsenal in some games, Flamini played as a RB and did well (even if he doesn't like that position). Does that mean he can be a good LB ? He played only once or twice there when he was in Arsenal and wasn't that good, do you think it's a good choice to use him there, to try him in a CL game ? And if Leo did it (the result could have been worse), everyone would have said that the loss was because of Leo's choice ...

Brilliant idea !!

Flamini didn't play RB for Arsenal but LB, and that wasn't for "some games" but for whole season, and it wasn't like "he wasn't that good", he was very good, Ashley Cole was injured for whole season and his absence didn't felt, because Flamini was good.

I've never said that Leonardo should "risk" with Flamini in CL game, I said that he should try him at LB EARLIER! Whatever you or anyone else here think about Leo, you must admit it's not logical to have three good players fight for one position, when we are short for (one) good cover on many positions. At the time, Ambrosini was our main DM, Gattuso was cover, Flamini rarely got the chance, even to come from the bench. He was used in cup games. It was logical that Leo tries him at SB sometimes before most important games of the season (i.e., CL elimination phase), because the man shoved he's capable of playing good, even great, games at both flanks, and at the same time we were short for cover at SB positions, and not just that, but our only good replacement CB was one of the starting side backs.

You don't have to say it, I will say it, Antonini's injury and Favalli's introduction cost us for losing the game we should won by any counts. If we had replacement side back who could step in so that our system stayed intact (which means, high defense and pressure game), we would surely win that game. Favalli's introduction meant that our defense can't play high anymore, which meant no pressure anymore, and a LOT of pressure on our 3-man aging midfield, that was left to fight all alone on enormously big space, with attack too high and defense too low, and that's was the reason we lost that game. If someone don't understand this, with defense playing high there's a LOT less unclosed space on the field, and that's why we dominated in first half and we were outplayed in the second. I drew a simple and quick picture in paint to demonstrate this:

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/6222/field.jpg

Now, with the simple calculation for rectangle, unclosed space surface is 1575 meters (35*45) for A, and 2250 meters for B. Which means, in every defensive action in second half every of our 3 midfielders theoretically had to cover 225 meters of space more than in the first half.

Knowing that, the fact that the cross leading to second goal came from Favalli's side means nothing comparing to what his introduction did with our game overall.

we are all talking out a**es off in this forum to try and discuss solutions to a simply .. useless squad. today's game against sampdoria shows the real deal. mancini is a retard. boriello considers it a sin to pass/ layoff the ball. gattuso is totally usless in possesion. oddo and bonera should not step their feet in a football pitch again........

Originally Posted by hishamilan

we are all talking out a**es off in this forum to try and discuss solutions to a simply .. useless squad. today's game against sampdoria shows the real deal. mancini is a retard. boriello considers it a sin to pass/ layoff the ball. gattuso is totally usless in possesion. oddo and bonera should not step their feet in a football pitch again........

Sums up how I feel about this squad.

Rosela going for the championship..
B&G 7th year without it..
and if we take last year away roma is every year inter's main opponent(if there was any).

when i said some weeks ago roma is the favourite(only because of the schedule),everyone mocked roma's attitude("loosers"..)
roma will 90% win it after this win..what does that make our team?

winners loosing to loosers i guess..

if things dont change,i dont want to imagine next year's championship..
no world cup motive for some "wc" players that we have,1 year older(again),coach=? and maybe without 1-2 decent players..

whereas inter(if they dont get down) will again reinforce especially if they dont win anything(most possible for me,maybe coppa italia)..

juventus have no choice but getting better..
roma will have more confidence..
and then none knows what will napoli-palermo-genoa,even samp(champions league budget?) do..

You want to know what really kills me about Roma winning the championship? The fact that they are in even worse financial situation than we do. They literally sell one of their top players every year and yet they are still a much better team than us. Man, it is depressing to think about milan these days. At least I still have the NBA playoffs to think about, GO LAKERS!

hahahha Lakers you are serious or ?
Cavs will ween eslyyy lebron is il fenomeno

abauth our disaster i m not surprise....
FORZA ROMA FORZA BARSA

Brasiliero......

What do you think of Andre on Santos. I didn't realize he was sooo young or big, but he might be milans best bet @CF if they aren't going to spend BIG on market for dzeko or benzema etc. he might be way to go. Like we've said, if milan cannot splash on 'stars' they should work on bringing them in before they reach there peak


also, PURELY HYPOTHETICAL... would you swap pato for Neymar? God everytime I watch Neymar, he exceeds the hype. If his head is on straight he is a future Balon D'or for sure...Kid is special

Originally Posted by Revolver

Flamini didn't play RB for Arsenal but LB, and that wasn't for "some games" but for whole season, and it wasn't like "he wasn't that good", he was very good, Ashley Cole was injured for whole season and his absence didn't felt, because Flamini was good.

I've never said that Leonardo should "risk" with Flamini in CL game, I said that he should try him at LB EARLIER! Whatever you or anyone else here think about Leo, you must admit it's not logical to have three good players fight for one position, when we are short for (one) good cover on many positions. At the time, Ambrosini was our main DM, Gattuso was cover, Flamini rarely got the chance, even to come from the bench. He was used in cup games. It was logical that Leo tries him at SB sometimes before most important games of the season (i.e., CL elimination phase), because the man shoved he's capable of playing good, even great, games at both flanks, and at the same time we were short for cover at SB positions, and not just that, but our only good replacement CB was one of the starting side backs.

You don't have to say it, I will say it, Antonini's injury and Favalli's introduction cost us for losing the game we should won by any counts. If we had replacement side back who could step in so that our system stayed intact (which means, high defense and pressure game), we would surely win that game. Favalli's introduction meant that our defense can't play high anymore, which meant no pressure anymore, and a LOT of pressure on our 3-man aging midfield, that was left to fight all alone on enormously big space, with attack too high and defense too low, and that's was the reason we lost that game. If someone don't understand this, with defense playing high there's a LOT less unclosed space on the field, and that's why we dominated in first half and we were outplayed in the second. I drew a simple and quick picture in paint to demonstrate this:

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/6222/field.jpg

Now, with the simple calculation for rectangle, unclosed space surface is 1575 meters (35*45) for A, and 2250 meters for B. Which means, in every defensive action in second half every of our 3 midfielders theoretically had to cover 225 meters of space more than in the first half.

Knowing that, the fact that the cross leading to second goal came from Favalli's side means nothing comparing to what his introduction did with our game overall.

beautiful post and tactical analysis. Some people don't understand how imperative our high backline is to keeping our old midfield working....

The only reason I can come up with for this is Flamini won't agree to play FB. He's been vocal on not liking it

Originally Posted by slifersd

You want to know what really kills me about Roma winning the championship? The fact that they are in even worse financial situation than we do. They literally sell one of their top players every year and yet they are still a much better team than us. Man, it is depressing to think about milan these days. At least I still have the NBA playoffs to think about, GO LAKERS!

Because they dont have Galliani...But we have...

Regarding Flamini,Flamini rejected to play at FB...he even declared it few times...

Originally Posted by Milano84

Brasiliero......

What do you think of Andre on Santos. I didn't realize he was sooo young or big, but he might be milans best bet @CF if they aren't going to spend BIG on market for dzeko or benzema etc. he might be way to go. Like we've said, if milan cannot splash on 'stars' they should work on bringing them in before they reach there peak


also, PURELY HYPOTHETICAL... would you swap pato for Neymar? God everytime I watch Neymar, he exceeds the hype. If his head is on straight he is a future Balon D'or for sure...Kid is special

Neymar is not ready for Europe yet in my opinion,he could go to a club like PSV or PSG like Ronaldo and Ronaldinho did and mature there,knowing Europen Football,getting stronger and be a stronger player then go to a big club...we didnt do it with Pato for instance or Real didnt do it with Robinho.that was the mistake,it really effected the progresses of the players...

i'd not change Pato with Neymar cuz they can play together,1 pato is not enough for scudetto maybe both of them will be enough for scudetto and CL...

Sorry you asked the questions to Brasiliero...im so inpolite nowadays Sorry again...

For Flamini, I think that nobody is asking him to play LB/RB for whole season. But we have 3 natural side backs (4 if you include Favalli), and we have problems at these positions for whole season, Abate (side midfielder or wing-back in 3-x-x) and Bonera (CB) were forced to play RB. Long before Manchester games we lost Oddo, which meant we were down to two natural side-backs and then a month before Manchester game we lost Zambrotta too, and suddenly our only natural side back left was Antonini. In a situation like that, I think that a player should look at team's interests before his personal, and I doubt that Flamini would have anything against playing at SB until at least one of injured players comes back. Anyway, does he wants it or not, it's not the question, the question is that he's should have been tried at the flanks as soon as we got such problems on that positions.

I think Neymar is ready for serie a in every sence. Maybe he needs a bit of phisical preparation but that will come with time. Neymar and PAto, as you said CAN play together and make a great duo. Pato as a CF... If Barcelona can go and play vs Real away with Messi-Pedro-Alves, so can Milan with Pato-Neymar and as AM.

The important think is to stop using Pato as a winger, which he is not by any means. He scores and plays well coz he is a genial player, not coz he is a great winger.

We need more cohesion in midfield, and as soon as we stop playing 4-3-3 the better for us. Our midfielders cannot play 4-3-3, we lack power and movement. Pirlo, Seedorf, Ambrosini, Gattuso cannot play in 3 man midfield. Only Flamini can from those we have. MAYBE Pirlo, of we buy a player like Essien etc. CAM is needed, a deep CAM, like Pastore ( a player like Rui or Boban were ).

Im still on for the idea of playing Thiago as a RB and buying CB that will pair Nesta. If Ivanovic ( who is a classic defender, with technique ), Stam(!), Chiellini etc., can play as FB's then Thiago can do it better then all of them. Speed, touch, shoot ( which hasnt been seen in Milan so far but is great!), pass, marking, moving - he has all fb needs.

We need to forget about Antonini and Abate as our fb's as those players are below every level needed by a big club. Abate's defending is ridiculous and he has no brains to play on a high level. Antonini is an ok player, for being in 18 of Milan.

One fb, one cb and our defence will be great again. But untill these fb's stay we will not be strong enough at the back for sure.

Whatever we do, I do not expect Milan to be competitive even next year becouse unless we invest huge amounts of money we lack too many players to be ok with just patching up in one summer.

Tuttomercato says Milan will start revolution with primavera players being added to the first squad. That is ok if that means 3 players that will rotate. But that will never be enough for serious results ( titles ). Every season in which Milan does not win a title is a failure. We are not Lazio or Roma.

Galliani says there are "problems with the confirmation of Leo". I'd choose Lippi if we have a chance, coz for sure he is a better coach then Tassotti, Galli etc. EDIT: Galliani says Leo will maybe leave for family reasons, its not a question of mercato... yeah right. Galliani should be a stand up comedian.

Its funny how we all think that Flamini can just fill in as a FB spot against ManU or any other games this season. Yet, Leo the coach, also someone who knows and understands the game better than all of us combine, on top of that he also gets to see all these players train daily, still decide not to do so. Now you can say that it was his arrogance that blinded him or his trust in Favalli or whatever the case, Flamini has not play one game as a FB for Milan under Leo. Why is that the case? COuld it be that Flamini said he does not want to? OR LEo is just being dumb? We will never know.
Now, I actually was one of the first here to state that Leo should have just put Flamini as FB with all those injuries esp since he ain't starting. What I think is that, ofcourse if Flamini played well, then everyone will sing praise to Leo but if he fails, then people will just attack Leo for playing a player out of position in one of the most important game.....

Originally Posted by Revolver

Flamini didn't play RB for Arsenal but LB, and that wasn't for "some games" but for whole season, and it wasn't like "he wasn't that good", he was very good, Ashley Cole was injured for whole season and his absence didn't felt, because Flamini was good.

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I agree that our problem is that the field of play is to big. But our defense is only part of the problem.

In my opinion the real problem is that when we're missing Pato our oponents can get away with defending really high up the pitch. Borriello, Ronaldinho or Mancini aren't gonna outrun anybody, meaning we don't have that threat of Pato outrunning the defense if they leave to much space behind them. It happened in the latest games all the time, Sampdoria and especially Catania were playing very high defensive lines, which completly kills our game.

@Revolver: Antonini was a side midfielder, like Abate. Even Zam was a side midfileder. Oddo & Fava are the only natural RB & LB.

Antonini plays well only if Dinho plays well (he'll have space to run forward and opponent attack less when Dinho is a big threat), right or left is not matter much, IMO.

Best case is we convert both Silva & Flamini to fullbacks and buy a great CB to partner Nesta.