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http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy...mical-approach

If there is any truth in that, Milan is no longer a great club. I am sorry but thats a fact, you can hang on to the past and history for only so long. I mean Uraguary won 2 more WORLD CUPS than Holland and Spain, 1 more than England, and won the same number with Germany and Argentina, and only Brazil and Italy won more. But if Uraguarians claims that they are a football powerhouse country b/c of that, I will laugh at their faces. I am sorry if that offended any Uraguarians out there but thats how I feel if I start saying Milan is a powerhouse in European Football.

And it is completely different than the mid-late 90s, as Milan never came out and stated that they have no money for transfer or create dental problems to lower the price of the signed players.

Originally Posted by Lebanese

Livorno president said that milan are interested in Knezevic and Bernardini, and he is having a meeting with braida today. WTF do we need them for?

Who are they? Are they U-20 players?

Originally Posted by Siregar

Who are they? Are they U-20 players?

I think they are free

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

I think they are free

Ah, how could I think so positively.

We really need to get our cioach situation sorted , if it drags on no one will sign with the not knowing. Again on Football-Italia it says that Milan will focuse on signing youngsters , does this meam sign young guy's 20 - 23 or sign 15 year olds for the youth. On Goal.sh1t there is a little interview Marina Berlusconi where it basically says no signings no spending but cutbacks , Marina Berlu president of finivest.

I dunno it will be interesting or higly frustrating in the mercato , but Marina Berlu said pretty much it's going to be the same as last summer.

Originally Posted by Siregar

Ah, how could I think so positively.

Just believe in Berlu and Galli words and they directions of the club.
They are pioneers to this new football era. Where every big and becoming big teams are spending to make themselves into a better team. They are trying to prolong the careers of any players with modern technology-Milan Lab as long as they don't need to pay any transfer fees.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy...mical-approach

If there is any truth in that, Milan is no longer a great club. I am sorry but thats a fact, you can hang on to the past and history for only so long. I mean Uraguary won 2 more WORLD CUPS than Holland and Spain, 1 more than England, and won the same number with Germany and Argentina, and only Brazil and Italy won more. But if Uraguarians claims that they are a football powerhouse country b/c of that, I will laugh at their faces. I am sorry if that offended any Uraguarians out there but thats how I feel if I start saying Milan is a powerhouse in European Football.

And it is completely different than the mid-late 90s, as Milan never came out and stated that they have no money for transfer or create dental problems to lower the price of the signed players.

Germany have won 3 world cups , and Milan did not win there european cups and league titles 80 years ago.

But I do agree that Milan are no longer a top level club like Inter Barca Madrid Man U Chelsea even Bayern or Lyon.

You know our MGT seem t forget that it is perfectly normal to spend money and buy players , the average age was bad 3 or 4 years ago now its catastrophic honestly. I think they have gone beyond the point of repair.
All our young players will not make it through if 3 do and play a part in the coming years that will be great. I think MGT are hoping that all 20 of them will and then they can sell Pato Borri Hunter Flamini Silva.

Originally Posted by Siregar

So after given chance against weak team the player will be ready for importan game? NO! It's about the quality (the mentality) of the player itself.

Well we will never agree on this ...
Let's try young players in the next derby against Inter: they will discover their partners on the pitch (completely different from the training sessions), and will be killed by our rivals.
We'll be able to tell them goodbye after the game as we will never see them again ...

Originally Posted by Siregar

You give an example of game that is still important. What I said is game that is not important (like Carlo used to do in Milan for young players, fielding young players in the last 1-2 games that were not important at all for Milan). So, no point to discuss Siena vs Washington.

For me, it's in these games like against Siena or Livorno or I don't know what other team (most of the teams placed between the 11th and 20th place) that we should try our young players.
You talked about games that are not important because you probably thought that for me, our young players should only play in friendlies and Italian Cup games. I just explained more my thought about the games to be played by our young players. Then, if we agree, of course, no point to discuss it.

Originally Posted by Siregar

I never said Albertazzi will make hattrick or will win the game. What I said is that was the best time to trust your young player since :
1. No CB available
2. no other DM or goodfullbacks available aka Oddo is a joke fullback (how could be he a good defender?)

Nor did I ...
I was all against Oddo as a CB, but I wasn't for Albertazzi to start too. Leonardo had to make a choice, he did it. Both were a big risk.

Originally Posted by Siregar

It will be always same, if the player is weak mentally, he will be afraid to play again with the team but if he is a normal player regarding his mentality he will have more hunger to prove himself with of course supports from the coach is always important.

Ok, so let's take an example, a simple one, one we will all agree on !!
Kaladze, can he be called a mentally weak player ? Regarding his whole career, no, I don't think so, he was even very good ...
Look at what some very bad performances have done to him !! The peak of his bad form was his game against Italy with his Georgian NT.

If that can happen to a guy who won everything with clubs (CL, Serie A, Italian Cup, maybe some title in Georgy too), don't you think it could be worse for an inexperienced player ?

I thought Germany won two only, one with Caesar Beck. and the other with Mattaus and Kinsman.

Imagine you are the GM or Pres of, lets say Villa or Cantania or Bordeaux, you receive a call from Galli or Braida about wanting a player from your team, I think the first thing you will say is, " Is this April's fool, as Milan cannot afford these long distance call since they need to balance their book."

Originally Posted by Siregar

Who are they? Are they U-20 players?

They are not...

The one is a ex juve reject,the another is 23 years old defender...i'd rahter to have Astori...crap and useless defenders...

Oh Siregar, in regarding to playing Albertazzi or any untested young players. I think if Milan is firing on all levels and the team is playing reasonably well, then playing Albertazzi against Inter or in the CL final will be fine. But when the team in general is struggling, thats a pretty dangerous time to play youth. To me its has more to do with the comments and reactions from other players in the locker room and trainings after the match more than the mentality of the young player. Esp., if the match is a loss.

i dont blame them if they dont want to spend crazy amounts...we fans doesnt want them spend that much...we just want young and quality player and we are fed up with finished and very old players,who are still very high wages...we have very old roster...we cant win without Pato...

we dont want baby youngsters for Primavera...we just want young and quality players who can play and make a very good contribution to the first 11...

i understand we cant pay 40m euros on Dzeko...yet we cant spend 6-7 meuros on young and quality players?instead of keep paying 4 m euros to useless,crap,finished and old players...wages...

Aogo typee of players we should sign...not Zigoni..Berretta...

not Yepes...not Astori...

Reading the comments of the daughter of Berlu, I just remember what said Galliani about the European competitions ...

He once said that Italian teams have to remember they don't only play for themselves and their fans, but also for the whole Italy and Serie A and so, as a consequence, these teams, qualified in European competitions, have some kind of responsability.

Isn't it a contradiction with the way the club is run nowadays ?
If the recent rumours become true (no spending, the kind of players we're linked with), we will play for the second place of our group next season in CL (yes, I think we will qualify directly for the next CL), and if we manage to qualify, we'll probably lose against another big team, or if we are lucky, we'll play against a "surprise" and then will be eliminated in the next round by a big team.

Originally Posted by Rabia15

i dont blame them if they dont want to spend crazy amounts...we fans doesnt want them spend that much...we just want young and quality player and we are fed up with finished and very old players,who are still very high wages...we have very old roster...we cant win without Pato...

we dont want baby youngsters for Primavera...we just want young and quality players who can play and make a very good contribution to the first 11...

i understand we cant pay 40m euros on Dzeko...yet we cant spend 6-7 meuros on young and quality players?instead of keep paying 4 m euros to useless,crap,finished and old players...wages...

Aogo typee of players we should sign...not Zigoni..Berretta...

not Yepes...not Astori...

Zigoni seems to be promising, but he'll need to be developped rightly.
Beretta is better than Zigoni and is a striker for the NT. He is also very promising.

And we didn't spend that much to buy them nor for their wages.

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Reading the comments of the daughter of Berlu, I just remember what said Galliani about the European competitions ...

He once said that Italian teams have to remember they don't only play for themselves and their fans, but also for the whole Italy and Serie A and so, as a consequence, these teams, qualified in European competitions, have some kind of responsability.

Isn't it a contradiction with the way the club is run nowadays ?
If the recent rumours become true (no spending, the kind of players we're linked with), we will play for the second place of our group next season in CL (yes, I think we will qualify directly for the next CL), and if we manage to qualify, we'll probably lose against another big team, or if we are lucky, we'll play against a "surprise" and then will be eliminated in the next round by a big team.

I think it will be funny to see what Galli will say if Milan gets ko in the group stage of CL and end up in Europa League. Do you think Galli will say, lets concentrate on Serie A-knowing there will only be 3 spots instead of 4, or actually play hard in both? Once again, Galli should not have talk crap against Juve and others, as it will come back to haunt him.