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This is sooo sad. Some of you route for inter so italy has 4 spots. LOL. **** i'd rather play in the uefa cup then let them win the title.


Forza Bayern. I can't believe you call yourselves Milan fans.

Originally Posted by bayern

Aogo is a very underrated player. I think no one really rates him because he is in the shadow of Boateng, who is a very good CB talent, but he is wasted often as a right full back this season.

Aogo is without a doubt Hamburg best fullback, way before Boateng.
I think he would adapt some time in Milan, but could become a solid/good player.

I wasnt really impressed by Boateng. Hes pretty athletic, but a little brainless. Aogo was good defending, good at getting forward, seems to have a good shot on him and took corners.

Jucilei according to Brazil journalist sold to Europe club. unknown yet. 8 Million Euros.

i just hope milan dont sign Ibra... what a "no show"... he always chokes in a big game... the best thing inter did was to sell him...

i hope your right haven't seen jucilei?

Originally Posted by slifersd

On his wikipedia page, it says Andrea Lazzarri is signed by milan for 10 million euros. I like the signing as he is young and talented and didn't really cost much. He is no Kaka, but he is a lot better than whatever the hell we have right now.

On the Leonardo news, we all knew this was going to happen, so no surprise there. As Milan fans, we should all lower our expectations. Basically, we should be happy as long as we are not playing in Serie D. My expectations for this summer couldn't be any lower unless Berlusconi actually sells my gf for cash. Whatever, man, I will just have to start watching another team.

I edited this Wikipedia page ... no, not true, but I could or you could or anyone could have done it.

Never trust Wikipedia (someone posted once that Messi wanted to come to Milan for example), no matter the subject.

Originally Posted by nefremo

Hitman, it's not official as Italy can still hold on to its third spot if the following happens:

- Hamburg loses today against Fulham
- Inter beats Bayern in the final

If that happens, Italy will stay on top of Germany

Italy - 64.357 (with Inter win over Bayern)
Germany - 64.207 (if Hamburg loses today and Bayern loses in the final)

as of now the difference is 0.15, can you explain to me how many points Inter alone gains if they win the CL game? and also does it make a difference if they win it over 90' minutes or in penalties (I think it would be considered a draw and each team gets points)?

I don't know what happens if the game goes to extra time. I am really not sure about that.

But without the extra time confusion, this is how it will work out:

As of right now -
3.Germany - 64.207 (1 team left, Bayern)
4.Italy - 64.052 (1 team left, Inter)

If Inter wins in the final then Inter gains 2 more points for Italy. That'll give Italy an extra 0.286 in the end (when averaged out) which will help them surpass Germany.

More elaborated:
-Italy right now has 106 points for the season. Which when averaged to 7 teams is 15.142 for the season. When you add 15.142 to the previous 4 seasons you get 64.052.

-Now, with an Inter win, Italy will go up to 108 points for the season. Which when averaged to 7 teams is 15.428 for the season. When you add 15.428 to the previous 4 seasons you get 64.338 (exactly 0.286 more then the present average, which is obviously more then the 0.15 that's keeping them behind now)

So then (with an Inter win) this will be the scenario -
3.Italy - 64.338
4.Germany - 64.207


So like someone said earlier, it is pretty much a final for the 3rd positions in the rankings between Italy and Germany.


Now like I said before Inter played Barcelona, I really don't care if Italy loses it's place for a year or two. Milan should be challenging for the title anyway which means that securing 3rd place "shouldn't" be a problem for us (yet the way things are going who knows).The fact that Italy is realying on Inter however is really bothering me because this is the team that sat around acting like a saint and taking all the prizes while Italy was getting deeper and deeper in the mud during calciopoli. While now it's evident that they were just as involved as everyone.

Having said all that though, if I put all my hate for Inter on the side for a second......I can't help but think that Milan might need the 4th spot in the future with the way things are going in our club. But who knows, maybe this will give Berlu a kick in the ass. Anyhow, there is no way that I will be cheering for Inter or celabrate their goals or anything crazy like that. I will watch the game with a "don't care" attitude. If Bayern wins then great, I'll enjoy watching the Inter b!thces cry and suffer. If Inter wins, then that sucks, but at least the scum will send some good towards our way by keeping Serie A up on top. And as much as we don't like that, it'll be huge help. More teams in the CL for Italy, more viewers. More coverage, more sponsors, more big players....MORE MONEY for the whole league IINCLUDING Milan.

Originally Posted by OCmilano

This is sooo sad. Some of you route for inter so italy has 4 spots. LOL. **** i'd rather play in the uefa cup then let them win the title.


Forza Bayern. I can't believe you call yourselves Milan fans.

that's the spirit! I am with you 100%.

if inter won and italy got to retain 4 seats, milan might still drop to 5th; if inter lost and italy only was left with 3 seast, milan could still get one of the 3. it is not inter, it is us!

Oh Revolver. I know you dislike Leo, but to say that he was asking for too much from the MGT is just non-sense.

As someone had already said, one of the things he asked was a better medical staff. Whats wrong with that?
Another thing he asked was more say in transfer, which basically every managers in Europe has been doing.
Then he asks for signing young quality players to replace guys like Kala, Seedorf and company. Now he is not asking for Xavi, CR9, Messi, Essien and others, he is only asking for players who are still under value in today's market.
All and all, I really don't see those requests as being stubborn or irresponsible as those are steps that require to rebuild a team/dynasty.
BTW, JM asked for a lot from Moratti and he pretty much got them. First he wanted two wingers-Mancini and Quesrma-which the failed but nonetheless, he got them, then he wanted a CB who can pass-Lucio, rebuild the midfield with better players-Motta for Veira, Snejder for Dacourt, a more clinical striker-Milito, a speedster-Eto and Pandev. I will bet any money that, if Berlu actually got Lucio(much better than any CB other than T.Silva and Nesta in Milan), Motta, Snejder(can work as the box to box that Milan desperately need), Eto, Milito and Pandev(those 3 are much better than having Hunter, Borri and Mancini) to Milan. I am pretty sure Leo will be leading Milan to a title and might still be running for CL too with some luck.
I remember you once stated that Leo took the job knowing full well what type of squad he was going to get. But didn't Berlu and Galli kept saying last summer that they got a huge present for Leo as their coach.....but that never materialize. The point is that Berlu just don't care about winning anymore as he stopped investing into a club which he claims he still love. Inter might not have been winning alot over the past years, but no matter what state they were in, Moratti kept investing.

Originally Posted by Xudong

that's the spirit! I am with you 100%.

if inter won and italy got to retain 4 seats, milan might still drop to 5th; if inter lost and italy only was left with 3 seast, milan could still get one of the 3. it is not inter, it is us!

Give Inter some credits for making it this far. Heck even when Milan was the best team in Europe a few yrs ago, they were never once close to winning the triple. And at that time the squad was much better than the one Inter has now.

Originally Posted by Stitch

Brilliant I'm stealing this for my signature, I hope you don't mind

Yep, you can use it if you want.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Give Inter some credits for making it this far. Heck even when Milan was the best team in Europe a few yrs ago, they were never once close to winning the triple. And at that time the squad was much better than the one Inter has now.

Inter remain inter, no matter how good their anti football are.

I have to stress, Inter ARE NOT close to win triple. They ONLY HAVE chance to win tripple. That is very different. If they already secured two Cups, they are close to win triple.

The way you described Inter is like they are much better than Milan a couple years ago. Look at how bad they are in Serie A. Their competitors in Serie A are (much) worse (the squad) than a couple of years ago before Calciopoli, otherwise they already dropped to the third or fourth place. The are in CL final right now and still have chance to win Coppa and Serie A, it doesn't mean they are better than Milan a couple of years ago. I know that Inter reached final is something unbelievable (could be suggested to be written in the Guinnes book of record ) but it shouldn't make us forget the objectiveness. They are good but not that good (they way Inter-Milan-fans described them).

Originally Posted by nefremo

Milan should be challenging for the title anyway which means that securing 3rd place "shouldn't" be a problem for us (yet the way things are going who knows).

It's actually the part I disagree, and like everybody seems to think that, I disagree with almost everyone ...

The fact is that in Italy, you have 4 big teams (historically and recently): Milan of course, Inter now, Juventus and Roma. So, these 4 teams should fight each year for the title if everything was ok, which means that Milan could finish 1st one year and 3rd the following, 2nd then and 4th the next season.

With Juventus coming back from Serie B and having lost several of their players because of Calciopoli (of course, they had to be relegated, the point is that they are still "in build"), that means we should have secured our 3rd place for the last 3 years (since the Calciopoli).

With the come-backs of Juventus and Napoli*, two historical teams (Napoli has a weird story actually and didn't win many titles) building their team slowly, with teams like Palermo also trying to build their team, and with Fiorentina* also trying to become big, you'll suddenly have 7 "big" teams in a near future.

*Fio and Napoli are Top 8 teams when you look at their results in Serie A, which means they are as able to be in Top 4 as they can end 6th or 8th.

So even if "for Milan, a 3rd place should be secured each season", the fact is that you can't forget that Milan isn't the only team in Serie A and there are other teams with money, able to build something more or less quickly and as a consequence, if they manage to do so, no team will have a secured place in the Serie A Top 3/4 (the fact is that it is perfect for suspens in Serie A, perfect for the level of the championship, but it can only be bad for Italy in the European competitions as the first 4 teams of Serie A could change every year).

PS: I don't talk about Sampdoria and Genoa as nobody knows if these teams are on the good way or not to build something, it's why I hope Samp won't qualify for the next CL because I'm afraid this team could be a one-season threat and nothing else.

Originally Posted by Acmir^

So who's lying now? Can Berlu and Galli agree what to say in public and not embarrass

themselves like this, stupid *******s.

They've had contradicting statements for a few years now, so unfortunately this is nothing new.

Originally Posted by Revolver

Some of members here have to get serious and act like a mature men. All I read is spend, spend, spend, like the money Berlusconi have falls from sky or something.

I don't know why it's all negative among Milan fans, for God's sake Inter hasn't won CL since 1965, that's 45 years! They haven't won Serie A from 1990 until 2005! 15 years! Imagine how their fans felt. On the other hand, Berlusconi and Galliani made an empire that was 8 times (count them: eight) in CL finals in just 18 years!

If Leonardo is sacked, it wasn't because B & G doesn't want to spend in the summer, believe me. What the f.ck is Leonardo?! Some holy paper?! I also want him to be sacked and I'm a Milan fan, and I'm not the only one!

Leonardo isn't and idiot, just like Berlusconi and Galliani are not a couple of idiots, every one of them knows the situation in the club. The hell with it, even Mourinho can't tell Moratti "I want this and this and this, or I'll go", but he's creating team just like puzzle, part by part. Last year, when they bought Sneijder, Moratti said "He wanted Sneijder, I think we don't need him, but I've bought him", and he didn't have to spend a cent because Ibrahimovic's transfer was enough to cover it all.

Wake up and think maturely and REAL. Money is earned, it doesn't falls from sky!

Before I get to the actual discussion, I think it's quite rude of you to regularly (this isn't the first time you've posted something like this) keep telling others to act mature here, simply because they talk about the changes they want to see in the club. People of all ages and background post on these forums and I think many would agree the general quality of discussion about this topic has been quite high, even if sometimes emotional.

Now moving on...

Berlusconi and Galliani have been the best management team in football over the last two and a half decades, and this is evident in the results we have achieved both nationally and Internationally. However, it is clear that right now the club is not in a healthy state. We have an ageing squad with little to no investment to build for the future. We have spent poorly by offering huge contracts to players who don't really deserve it, spending beyond our means without considering the consequences enough. This method of management was accepted over the past 2.5 decades, but now clubs need to manage resources as the sport goes forward and clubs try to ensure they avoid the problems Lazio, Roma, Fiorentina, Leeds and Portsmouth have suffered in the last decade.

Our spending policy since 2005 has been highly questionable in the least as we made many signings or renewals which quite frankly unnecessary and even damaging.

Inter, whilst enjoying success post calciopoli have not been managed well over the years. They spend insane amounts of money to get their players and have made many poor decisions over that time. However, they always had reason to hope as they have consistently kept getting some of the world's best players to keep the side competitive, something which Milan aren't even close to doing atm. Their fans during their years of failure were just as vocal, probably moreso, as Milan fans are right now despite Moratti's willingness to spend.

Sacking Leo isn't about not spending in the summer. Many respect Leo because the majority (fans and professionals) agree that he has achieved more than expected given the resources at hand. He also has given clear indications as to the kinds of players he wants to build for the next generation. The outcry against Leo's sacking is it's simply unfair for him to shoulder the blame when he's not got enough to work with in the first place, especially given his successes this year.

As for Leo's demands, I don't think many will think they're unreasonable for a club like Milan. A good fullback (Cissokho), a highly promising midfielder (Hernanes) and a potentially great attacker (Dzeko) were his main requests last summer, with none of them met. Compare this to Real Or Barca who were willing to spend 80-90m on individuals, when in reality with a budget of just around half of this we could have gotten the three aforementioned players. You say Mourinho can't request this and that player, but then contradict yourself when you say Inter got Sneijder Mourinho is a very demanding coach and he wanted guys like Sneijder, Lucio and
Milito and got them, despite Inter already having a massive squad.

Originally Posted by K77SH C

Watching Aogo for Hamburg against Fulham. Looks a good player, strong, athletic, technically good, quick.

Fulham just scored...Good for the points business...still cant see myself supporting Inter against Bayern though

He seemed solid but nothing great to me. However, I heard he was ill and only just managed to play, so I probably didn't see the best of him.

Originally Posted by bayern

Jucilei according to Brazil journalist sold to Europe club. unknown yet. 8 Million Euros.

Could you provide a source please?