Summer Mercato 2010

Originally Posted by mrki

First: fLame - <our knowledge ( at least what you show in here ) is on a very limited and below standard level. Jokes are on the level of 12 year old kids in school. Things you say simply have no connection with football or with anything at all, and it keeps going on and on. Never mind it, but for once I'd love if you come in here and write your oppinion about some player/formation/coach and then explained it in details ( how come, why, etc. ).

It was all "bla bla bla" until the bold part. My replies to other members are usually football related, it's just that when I reply to you sometimes I can't take your posts seriously.

Anyway, if you are genuinely interested - I have no clue what to expect from this season.

1. We have signed an unproven coach (most likely not because he is a promising great tactician but because he won't demand much and we can make a scape goat out of him if all goes wrong)

2. 99% of all transfer rumours are jokes - these days we don't sign stars anymore, and if we do want to sign someone, we do it quickly. So, there's not point discussing that.

As far as I am concerned, so far we are anywhere between a mid table team to a top 3 team - depending on what squad Allegri has at the start of the season. (also depending on the injuries, etc)

I will have more to say, once our transfer season is over (though it might already be over).

Originally Posted by Jay Crisp

So in each of the last 7 year we have always made more than 200 million so lets say 200 million by 7 is 1.4 billion and he has spent on transfers and wage bills 467 million , where is the 933 million (that may be less or more) milan lab office staff travel rent of san siro ??? somewhere there is alot of money gone missing.

i think you mis interpreted it. He said he spent 467 mil out of pocket. Meaning on some level the operating budget is higher than actual revenues earned... at a tune of 70 mil a year.

There can be MANY factors, transfer fees, uncollected transfer fees (as far as i know we never got paid for oliviera and are taking zaragoza to sporting court).

Excessive wages, not getting paid by your vendors but you must make pay roll weekly.

It's a lot more complicated than just transfer fees and wage bill. And i don't doubt there was lots of frivelous spending. All Braida's trips to brazil with NO RESULT. Constant eating out, and excessive celebrations, who pays for that????

Milan are poorly run and imo it falls much more on galliani as CEO than anyone. It's speculation sure but from my understanding of how milan works and my understanding how corporations work, it makes sense. Simply put the business model of AC Milan does not work. They need to re-do EVERYTHING. They can't extent everyone, and need to make tough financial decisions... they need to be proactive in scouting and market. Things that haven't been done by milan EVER

edit: And i'm sure milan lab and insurance sucked a fair amount. God knows how many injuries milan has had by keeping overpaid pensioners for years...

Originally Posted by brk

Where did you hear about Dzeko asking to break his contract? You sure it's not just a transfer request?

I read it in a croation web site, which follows Dzeko closely....they know that they don`t have the power to ask for such a thing...but thats some kind of pressure and when u have your three best players doing that you have to rethink every detail. I never understood how Pandev won the case against Lazio...but why can`t it be done again!!??? Why Dzeko can`t have a case against Wolfz then!!!???

Originally Posted by Milano84

i think you mis interpreted it. He said he spent 467 mil out of pocket. Meaning on some level the operating budget is higher than actual revenues earned... at a tune of 70 mil a year.

There can be MANY factors, transfer fees, uncollected transfer fees (as far as i know we never got paid for oliviera and are taking zaragoza to sporting court).

Excessive wages, not getting paid by your vendors but you must make pay roll weekly.

It's a lot more complicated than just transfer fees and wage bill. And i don't doubt there was lots of frivelous spending. All Braida's trips to brazil with NO RESULT. Constant eating out, and excessive celebrations, who pays for that????

Milan are poorly run and imo it falls much more on galliani as CEO than anyone. It's speculation sure but from my understanding of how milan works and my understanding how corporations work, it makes sense. Simply put the business model of AC Milan does not work. They need to re-do EVERYTHING. They can't extent everyone, and need to make tough financial decisions... they need to be proactive in scouting and market. Things that haven't been done by milan EVER

edit: And i'm sure milan lab and insurance sucked a fair amount. God knows how many injuries milan has had by keeping overpaid pensioners for years...

feelin the R&B bluez?

Originally Posted by drucurl

feelin the R&B bluez?

obviously. I'm almost considering actually working while @ work :O

Originally Posted by Milano84

obviously. I'm almost considering actually working while @ work :O

see - you are slacking off at work, but then expect our players like Ronnie, Pirlo and Seedorf to run

I don't think we are having a successful transfer season at all. Of course if you think no major players departure means successful then I guess u had been listening to B&G too much.
Getting Amelia for loan is stupid as he won't end up in Milan for free is he Milan wants to sign him The following season also Stoari is a better keeper at this time, on top of that Boruc went to Viola for 1.5mil, who is a much better keeper than Amelia.

Getting someone like Yepes is a joke even if he manages to put in solid performance since Juve got Bonucci for like 7mil while Inter got Racchania for about the same amount. They won't be the Nesta or Canna but they are sure to be the heart of IT defense along with Chellini.

Papa is a solid player and it is a good signing but I would rather have the young duo I mentioned and Santacroce instead.

Im not liking the extension of Zambro extension or Oddo or Pippo this summer.Its the fact we thought that there would be some forced changes and now slowly 1 by 1 they are being extended Oddo's seems to make sense but it still doesn't hide the fact that he will be here for 2 more year's so MGT won't entertain the thought of having to replace him until 2012 when he will be 36.Also Zambro honestly has been rubbish since he came he has lost a bit of pace obviously as he's not 25 anymore , but he will also be here until he is almost 36 and until 2012 is that our new year for change ????? the Abbiatti extension is fine he's a keeper and a good one at that.But I do expect Ambro to be extended again and Seedorf and Janku and Kaladze in the next few months.

It annoy's me when people and pundits make fun of the age of Milan players and call it a retirement home.But I honestly have no argument the youth gets let go on loan or co-ownership and that always bits un in the ass.I really thought after last summer losing Kaka Gorky Carlo Maldini with none of them being replaced not even attempted to be replaced and Silva wasn't and isn't a replacement for Maldini they tried to get Paolo to stay.

But after a fairly mediocure season where any team regardless of quality that had a bit not even alot of pace troubled us and when we were BATTERED by Inter and Man Utd lost to Inter again lost to Palermo at home Roma it was a season full of disappointment and we only finished 3rd due to a pretty good run in November and again in Feb/March.

We know the way they work and there is nothing about Zambro's being spread like Oddo's.It just really disappoints me that the average of the team was a running joke 2 years ago and we have practically the same squad 90% the same starting team but even older.WHAT IN THE NAME OF GOD ARE MGT DOING HOW DO WE HAVE LESS MONEY AND LESS OF A PLAN THAN PALERMO SAMPDORIA NAPOLI GENOA FIORENTINA ITS RE-FU-CKING-DICULOUS.

Originally Posted by kastriot

I read it in a croation web site, which follows Dzeko closely....they know that they don`t have the power to ask for such a thing...but thats some kind of pressure and when u have your three best players doing that you have to rethink every detail. I never understood how Pandev won the case against Lazio...but why can`t it be done again!!??? Why Dzeko can`t have a case against Wolfz then!!!???

I was baffled at why Dzeko signed that extension last year. The only thing that made sense was the reported 20 million euro buyout clause, which obviously was a false report (even though Dzeko had it posted on his own website). He could have waited and come to Milan -- where he was claiming to be so desperate to play -- on a free transfer this summer and not had to do anything like this. It was a stupid move if playing for Milan is really such a dream.

Right now he's being linked heavily to Juventus. I hope and pray that doesn't happen.

Originally Posted by Jay Crisp

Im not liking the extension of Zambro extension or Oddo or Pippo this summer.Its the fact we thought that there would be some forced changes and now slowly 1 by 1 they are being extended Oddo's seems to make sense but it still doesn't hide the fact that he will be here for 2 more year's so MGT won't entertain the thought of having to replace him until 2012 when he will be 36.Also Zambro honestly has been rubbish since he came he has lost a bit of pace obviously as he's not 25 anymore , but he will also be here until he is almost 36 and until 2012 is that our new year for change ????? the Abbiatti extension is fine he's a keeper and a good one at that.But I do expect Ambro to be extended again and Seedorf and Janku and Kaladze in the next few months.

It annoy's me when people and pundits make fun of the age of Milan players and call it a retirement home.But I honestly have no argument the youth gets let go on loan or co-ownership and that always bits un in the ass.I really thought after last summer losing Kaka Gorky Carlo Maldini with none of them being replaced not even attempted to be replaced and Silva wasn't and isn't a replacement for Maldini they tried to get Paolo to stay.

But after a fairly mediocure season where any team regardless of quality that had a bit not even alot of pace troubled us and when we were BATTERED by Inter and Man Utd lost to Inter again lost to Palermo at home Roma it was a season full of disappointment and we only finished 3rd due to a pretty good run in November and again in Feb/March.

We know the way they work and there is nothing about Zambro's being spread like Oddo's.It just really disappoints me that the average of the team was a running joke 2 years ago and we have practically the same squad 90% the same starting team but even older.WHAT IN THE NAME OF GOD ARE MGT DOING HOW DO WE HAVE LESS MONEY AND LESS OF A PLAN THAN PALERMO SAMPDORIA NAPOLI GENOA FIORENTINA ITS RE-FU-CKING-DICULOUS.

I'm pretty sure Zambro got the same deal as Oddo, and it's being spread over the years. Same with Pippo I think. This means that the extensions aren't really affecting the budget overall, but make it look less per year, and we get an extra player for a year. I think it makes sense, in a twisted sort of way.

What I don't get is why the players agree to this? They can just play the last year, make the full amount, be out of contract at the end and find another club and a new contract. How is what they're doing now better? Make less but play for Milan?

Originally Posted by Rick

I was baffled at why Dzeko signed that extension last year. The only thing that made sense was the reported 20 million euro buyout clause, which obviously was a false report (even though Dzeko had it posted on his own website). He could have waited and come to Milan -- where he was claiming to be so desperate to play -- on a free transfer this summer and not had to do anything like this. It was a stupid move if playing for Milan is really such a dream.

Right now he's being linked heavily to Juventus. I hope and pray that doesn't happen.

I think it's some kind of showing gratitude to Wolfsburg for making him a player he is now. By extending the contract the club will get much more money if they decide to sell Dzeko, instead of none if he just see out his remaining contract. Now that it's done there's nothing much he can do about it and Wolfsburg can put any ridiculous price tag they like on him because they have the right to do so. Whether it's some kind of naivety on Dzeko's part or/and some kind of wickedness on Wolfsburg, you decide.


Whatever it is, it's totally different with Pandev-Lotito's saga. Pandev was on his last year and his desired salary for the next contract was rejected. Lotito then freezed him out. He even stubbornly, if stupidly, refused some quite lucrative offer from other clubs (Donetsk?). That way he just ensured his club would receive zero money, six months sooner than he must've expected. Dzeko, on the other hand, did sign a contract extension. At most he can ask to be put on the transfer list, but NOT to nullify the contract.

I wouldn't think Dzeko is able or would be willing to push for his contract to be rescinded Dzeko didn't just resign his contract with Wolfsburg to get a pay rise he must by now love the fans of the club and the club itself, as for voiding his contract well it depends on what terms are stipulated in the contract but i can't really see wolfsburg agreeing to a clause that allowed him to walk for free without some exceptional circumstances like the aforementioned pandev who was screwed over by managerial politics.

What Dzeko can do is weaken Wolfsburg bargaining position by some carefully released statements and rejecting the clubs attempt to make him stay the affect being a decrease in his transfer value but at best it would be a couple million euros.

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Originally Posted by Jay Crisp

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...cernet&cc=5739

I honestly hope that's true. He signed his contract. Wolfsburg was asking way, way too much for him (certainly more than Milan would be willing to pay at this time and more than they or anyone else should pay, in my opinion, although that was probably the point). If he seriously loves Milan and it's his dream to play there, let him move on a free transfer in 2013 -- he'll still be only 27 -- or at a more reasonable price in 2012. If he wants to go someplace else, that's fine too (as long as it isn't Juve or Inter).

Too bad for Dzeko, man is in love with Milan as much as we are. Maybe some day he'll wear our shirt and finish off Derby di Milano!

Untill then, new 1000 comical efforts by Borri and 6 world class volleys...