Summer Mercato 2010

Originally Posted by Rossoneri Fuego

switching kala for camoranesi would be huge ..... that stubborn a - hole won't move because of his huge contract , since it seems asking for a attacking midfielder is a impossible request i'd love camo , i still hope hunteelar would be gone ... and we get either ibra or dzeko , we've played great without R80 i hope palmeiras and the galaxy don't give up , i'd even be happy that verdi or merkel start instead of R80 , i doubt that he can help us win Serie A or UEFA CL honestly our mercato is looking more brighter , remember allegri wants to play 4312 that means we always need a trequartista dinho is trash at that postion , so either merkel seedorf or pirlo would be our trequartista AND DONT FORGET ABOUT ABATE ! , i hope otamendi comes because zambro , oddo , are great bench players but trash aganst teams like barcelona , bayern , man united we would get sent to school without paper ...

I ask you a direct question after reading this sentence: what can Camoranesi bring us ?
The guy is a right midfielder, attacking right midfielder or right winger depending on the formations and the moments of his career, there is no way he could be efficiently used as a central midfielder, and he doesn't have the skills to play as a trequartista/AM ... and he's old.

Kaladze <-> Camoranesi (probably a trade of loans) = useless <-> useless.

We should concentrate on real targets to build a team for the next seasons, or in the worst case, looking to build a good team for next season, Camoranesi can't be involved in neither of these projects (respectively long and short term) IMO.

Originally Posted by Tony75

Also Rossoneri Fuego, Antonini is better than Otamendi

It should also be noted that Otamendi is a center back. Maradona decided during World Cup qualifying to give him a try as a fullback and he played well there, but center back is his natural position and the position he has always played at Velez Sarsfield. As a fullback, he's very inexperienced. It would be a mistake to count on him stepping into a starting role for Milan at that position regardless of who else is around.

Originally Posted by Kaka1899

anybody else seen this crap?

It's not crap.. I hate Inter, but the guy's right. Let's be honest, we suck....

The only way I'd be remotely happy at the start of this year is if we start with one of the following two formations:

------------------Amelia----------------
Sokratis--Nesta----T.Silva---Antonini
-------Flamini---Pirlo---Boateng-----
Gio dos Santos-----------Ronaldinho
------------------Pato-----------------

OR

---------------Amelia------------------
Sokratis--Nesta----T.Silva--Antonini
------Flamini--Pirlo--Ambrosini------
--------------Honda------------------
------------Pato--Dzeko-------------

If we have crap with Ambro/Gattuso/Seedorf starting all the time..and Borriello or Huntelaar playing ....I'm not WATCHING

Either you have 2 ridiculously dangerous wide players with Pato up top
Or you have honda dancing around everywhere with Dzeko up top...

Otherwise.. CAMBIASSO IS RIGHT

And.... Otamendi sucks....

Players can't be made in World Cups alone...

But they can certainly show you they SUCK in World Cups alone..

and Otamendi single handedly lost the Germany game..we have enough of those types of idiots on our team (Kaladze, Jankulovski) we don't need anymore...

grow some balls and Van der Wiel or Coentrao... or stick with what you have...i mean jeeze we have 20 defenders to choose from

if we really were smart we'd have bought Rannochia, Bonucci, and Santon A LONG TIME AGO

@Rossoneri Fuego, Offensive wing backs like Serginho, Cafu or Maicon is very important for 4-3-1-2, you cant do it with 2 defensive fullbacks.

Regarding Camoneresi, a big no from me, im okay with selling Kaladze for 0 euro, let them take Oddo, Jankulovski as well. maybe Onyewu as juve needs more CB's.

There is no way Kaladze will earn 4 m euros a year at Juve, if we sign Camoneresi, it should be 1 year and with very low fee.

Otamendi, i dont like him and dont rate him. Merkel is the deal not Abate or others. Merkek has that box to box potential, just let him develop in right place...

if we play with 4-3-3, what we lack for 4-3-3, box to box midfielders, Gattuso is useless in 4-3-3, we need Pato and Ronaldinho alternatives. Verdi is the man, except him we dont have ideal players for there. Camoneresi is not him.

Papa can do wingback job in 4-3-3, but not in 4-3-1-2. i'd rather to play Papa there instead Abate. maybe vs weak sides, we should try Abate.

We should sign a box to box midfielder with that money instead of spending it on Otamendi...

Then, we'll have a better first 11.

Originally Posted by Elmago99

It's not crap.. I hate Inter, but the guy's right. Let's be honest, we suck....

The only way I'd be remotely happy at the start of this year is if we start with one of the following two formations:

------------------Amelia----------------
Sokratis--Nesta----T.Silva---Antonini
-------Flamini---Pirlo---Boateng-----
Gio dos Santos-----------Ronaldinho
------------------Pato-----------------

OR

---------------Amelia------------------
Sokratis--Nesta----T.Silva--Antonini
------Flamini--Pirlo--Ambrosini------
--------------Honda------------------
------------Pato--Dzeko-------------

If we have crap with Ambro/Gattuso/Seedorf starting all the time..and Borriello or Huntelaar playing ....I'm not WATCHING

Either you have 2 ridiculously dangerous wide players with Pato up top
Or you have honda dancing around everywhere with Dzeko up top...

Otherwise.. CAMBIASSO IS RIGHT

What about this?

----------------Amelia/Abbiati----------------------
Papa-------Nesta-------------Silva--------Antonini-
----------Flamini--------Pirlo----------------------
-----------------Honda----------------------------
-Pato--------------Borriello------------Ronaldinho--

4-2-fantasia.

Originally Posted by Elmago99

If we have crap with Ambro/Gattuso/Seedorf starting all the time..and Borriello or Huntelaar playing ....I'm not WATCHING

Either you have 2 ridiculously dangerous wide players with Pato up top
Or you have honda dancing around everywhere with Dzeko up top...

Otherwise.. CAMBIASSO IS RIGHT

So unless we sign the players you want (which we do need and would make us better) you wil not support the team.
And you say players can not be made in a WC , well Honda had a good WC not great and he was good for CSKA but again not amazing and there is a good chance he could fail in Italy and with a so called big club.Im not happy either but it doesnt stop my love of the club.

i would of rather mancini than camoranesi on loan.
oh god... what am i saying. LOOK WHAT MILAN IS TURNING ME INTO

Originally Posted by Codino

i would of rather mancini than camoranesi on loan.
oh god... what am i saying. LOOK WHAT MILAN IS TURNING ME INTO

Anyway, Camoranesi, Mancini, useless, useless, nobody, what does that change ?

Oh and actually, it's maybe only rumours, because there is no mention about that on TMW at all ... nor about Otamendi (the last rumour I read about him is Porto being very interested today).

So everybody, relax !!

Our mercato should be ...

Out: Storari, Favalli
In: Amelia, Sokratis, Yepes, Boateng

Without talking about €, numbers, contracts, we can say that we reinforced the team by adding some players and by improving our depth ...

Who knows, if a last player, not mentionned at all by medias (like it happened for Amelia), a possible starter, was to come in the last days ?

PS: It seems obvious that we won't sell anyone now, I'm even sure that Huntelaar will stay despite all the rumours about him when he was far from Milanello (weird, since he came back last week in Milan, the rumours have slowly disappeared).

TO GEO : the reason cam would be better is we need a more attacking midfield im speaking as a whole .... since kala is a basicly a player taking up roster space wouldnt you rather have someone that can be useful ? camo can score goals not alott but is a threat or do you want to see ambrosini gattuso seedorf again ? if we have a mobile midfield we can press again , that way when we're loosing 2 - 0 to inter OR getting blown out by palermo in the first 15 mins its not a wrap because we can't run at them , antonini is 28 , 29 soon he's good but otamendi is so young you people speak of argentina that it was the back 4's fault reason they were trash no cambiasso or zanetti hell even samuel was hurt , they almost started 6 wingers aganst germany ( di maria can also become a winger )

TO Rabia : joakim loew started a back four of lahm mertesacker friedrch j . boateng aganst spain i use this as a example because thats 3 centerbacks , j . boateng is naturally a centerback but can be a wideback you need one good player to push up field , you dont have to have 2 , a back four of example

Arsenal : clichy vermahlen campbell sagna and the centerbacks will get roasted because the wing backs are too far out to go back and defend based on a counter , look at inter v barca knockout stages who got roasted on a sequence alves why ? because he pushed too far up infact look at chelsea v barcelona return leg knockout stages when hiddink was interim manager and he was getting roasted repeatedly ......

Originally Posted by Rossoneri Fuego

TO GEO : the reason cam would be better is we need a more attacking midfield im speaking as a whole .... since kala is a basicly a player taking up roster space wouldnt you rather have someone that can be useful ? camo can score goals not alott but is a threat or do you want to see ambrosini gattuso seedorf again ? if we have a mobile midfield we can press again , that way when we're loosing 2 - 0 to inter OR getting blown out by palermo in the first 15 mins its not a wrap because we can't run at them , antonini is 28 , 29 soon he's good

The thing is that I don't rate Camoranesi as a useful player.
So even if I agree that we need one more attacking midfielder to complete the team, I don't see Camoranesi as this solution.

And like I said, the fact that I've never liked this player, and the fact that he is a Juventus player, added to the fact I don't think he could be useful, make me say "I hope Camoranesi won't come, even if that means that our mercato is over and Kaladze stays in Milan".

I'm not Allegri (I think everyone knows it ), but I think the starting team he has in mind nowadays is:

Abbiati
? - Nesta - T.Silva - Antonini
? - Pirlo - Flamini
Ronaldinho (free to move)
Pato - Borriello

The "?" is because Allegri hasn't really given clues to let us know what he will choose at the end, I even doubt he already knows who to use himself.

At RB: He said Zambrotta could still deliver good performances, but he didn't really try him there, he mainly used him on the left. He used Sokratis 2-3 times, but he said that Sokratis was better as a CD, more solid, more reliable because he is unexperienced as a RB and has to improve (which means he isn't convinced by Sokratis as a RB). He also used Oddo, but with what he showed, I doubt Allegri wants Oddo to be our first option on the right of our defence. And yesterday, he tried for the first time Abate, but Abate seems so out of form that Allegri probably doesn't know where he could use him for moment (the bench ?) ... So if the club wants to make a move on the mercato, I hope they will give another defender to Allegri, but a real RB this time, it would be much smarter choice than Camoranesi.

At CM: Here, it seems easier to know what will happen. Allegri will use Pirlo as a "regista" (playmaker from behind if we sum up the role of the player, he has to dictate the tempo) and wants to give a more important role to Flamini. He also said that Seedorf will be the vice-Pirlo. That leaves us with Ambrosini, Gattuso and the soon-coming Boateng. The player who will have the best performances will probably get more playing time. But as he also said he wants to set a rotation system to always have players in good condition, everyone will get a chance. So I think we could have the following midfield ; Boateng/Ambrosini or Ambrosini/Boateng - Pirlo/Seedorf - Flamini/Gattuso. We also have to remember that Merkel could have a role to play in our midfield, but will Allegri try to use him here (his real position) or as an AM ? IMO, we don't need any new player here unless we suddenly have money and can buy the best central midfielders.

As you see, I agree with you Rossoneri Fuego, we need one more attacking midfielder, because then, if we try to analyze the AM position, we notice that we only have Ronaldinho (who isn't reliable, unless Allegri finds the magical button who will transform our Ronaldinho into the one of the Barcelona days), possibly an out of position and unexperienced Merkel, and another unexperienced player, Verdi (he can play as AM/RW/LW/SS, actually, I'm unable to find what is his prefered position on the pitch, he played in all these positions with the Primavera, and he only played as a second striker with the first team, and showed some good things). If we imagine that Verdi will be a kind of last sub for our attack, that lets us with Ronaldinho and Merkel, it's not enough.

As a consequence, and I think everybody here agrees actually, IF our management is still working on the mercato, I hope they will try to bring a RB and an attacking midfielder, and when I say such a thing, I mean serious players, not a 18yo and unexperienced player, nor a 32+yo player who won everything but just comes for a last contract.

If they can't bring us these two players, it's better not doing anything on the mercato as it will only mean we waste money.

Camoranesi, Grosso (source: Gazzetta or Sky Sports Italia) and Otemendi are all linked to Milan? Oh dear...

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Anyway, Camoranesi, Mancini, useless, useless, nobody, what does that change ?

Oh and actually, it's maybe only rumours, because there is no mention about that on TMW at all ... nor about Otamendi (the last rumour I read about him is Porto being very interested today).

So everybody, relax !!

Our mercato should be ...

Out: Storari, Favalli
In: Amelia, Sokratis, Yepes, Boateng

Without talking about €, numbers, contracts, we can say that we reinforced the team by adding some players and by improving our depth ...

Who knows, if a last player, not mentionned at all by medias (like it happened for Amelia), a possible starter, was to come in the last days ?

PS: It seems obvious that we won't sell anyone now, I'm even sure that Huntelaar will stay despite all the rumours about him when he was far from Milanello (weird, since he came back last week in Milan, the rumours have slowly disappeared).

yeah i guess so. to be honest, that usually happens with us. Galliani is the king of the "smoke screen".

Amelia , Yepes , Sokratis , Boateng ????? not an impressive mercato even by our low standards now not even good really same as last year as soon as Nesta is out Pirlo is tired and if something happens to Silva or Pato we will be in trouble again and struggle .I just do not know how there was no money to spend at all its weird but beggers cant be choosers.Yepes is an upgrade on nobody Sokratis if bought and played as a CB then yeah good signing but it seems he will play at RB where he looks lost , Amelia same as Storari , Storari was better last year , Boateng even on loan if it happens you will see what a mistake it will be.

Rumour of the day: Milan offers 10M + Huntelaar to Ajax to get Suarez.
I would love to see this player in red and black, but like I said in my previous post, buying a striker is maybe not our priority ...