OCmilano

OCmilano · 02-10-2010, 21:44

Not really happy this game. Against Ajax we had waaaay better movement. Im happy we won, Im happy R80 didnt hug the sideline.

Im still not happy with the coaches ideas.

brk · 03-10-2010, 02:54

I think we learned a lot from this game. Allegri said that the reason why he played Ronnie in the center was because Parma played a 442 and he would have been doubled up on on the left. That's a very telling statement, and it shows that he's flexible when it comes to our tactics.

We actually played a Xmas tree against Parma, with Robinho and Ronaldinho much closer together behind Ibra who had the freedom to roam the front line. This meant that we had 4 bands instead of 3, which meant that we had many more options to move the ball forward. It was a great move by Allegri. I'm guessing once we have Pato back we'll even have the option to play 4312 regularly, along with our wide 433.

What I didn't like was his substitutions at the end. Bringing in Pato was a terrible mistake which we could have been punished for. We should have done the same thing as with Ajax and converted to a 442 at the end, bringing on Boateng and Flamini for Gattuso and Robinho. That way, Seedorf and Boateng will cover the flanks instead of watching Pirlo, Boateng and Seedorf run around like crazy trying to help out our fullbacks. It was suicidal and watching Pato play like DM for most of the time he was one proves it was a mistake. Maybe he was expecting us to hold on to the ball more, but it wasn't working.

Anyway, it was great seeing the Xmas tree again. It works well against the right opposition, and having the flexibility and depth to change our formation is great news.

mzk57 · 03-10-2010, 04:40

Only 63 posts here. Are MM members losing hope or what?

My bad luck, i missed the game

A 1-0 victory, just the type of the game I prefer to watch & I missed it

But great to see AC Milan winning

BTW, any one following EPL must know what great form VdV is showing for Tottenhum. What a player ACM has missed

ACMILAN1983 · 03-10-2010, 05:13

An excellent game on the whole and I'd argue our best this season so far. Lecce was a higher scoring affair where we were totally dominant, but the quality of the opposition made it very easy for us. Last night, not only were we dominant, but we played against a pretty decent side (one which is better than it's position in the standings suggest). Progress is being made, and that's vital for us.

We started out with a 4-3-1-2 with two shuttlers either side of Pirlo. Seedorf was predominantly the more attacking of the midfield trio meaning we generally were on the offensive through the left, or middle left, something somewhat reminiscent of Ancelotti's Milan. Dinho played in the hole behind the forward line and found space as Parma focus a lot on attacking the wide areas, leaving just two in the middle who were often occupied with Seedorf and Rino.

Our weakness early on was actually our lack of width as fullbacks were pinned back by Angelo and Marquez, and very hesitant to push up. This forced (although it was part of the gameplan too) Ibra and Robinho into the wings. Had our midfield pushed up to run through the openings, then we would have found more openings earlier on. Either way, we were creating chances, even though it took a Pirlo special to open the scoring.

After the goal I think we had our best period. We completely dominated Parma, pressed high all over and were clearly looking to end the match. Parma were fortunate as we still lack clinical finishing and Mirante was a massive presence. That said, we were excellent during this period until Antonini went off.

Due to Antonini's injury, we lost our balance for a while as we lost our structure. Parma gained momentum and attacked us well in wide areas, really looking to push knowing our struggle both tactically and physically. We held on through this period and in the last 10 minutes or so we regained control, partly through Boateng's presence in the middle and partly as we looked to push our defensive line up again.

Overall, a very positive performance and result. We're still a work in progress, but we are starting to see what Allegri's Milan is about.

Players...

Abbiati - Had actually very little to do. One save from a long distant shot and stopping Crespo late on. Was very alert though
Zambrotta - Defensively sound but offered little going forward.
Nesta - Very solid performance, he offered assurance to the backline
Thiago - Like Nesta a good performance where he covered for Antonini well too
Antonini - Another relatively weak showing. He didn't look solid against Angelo and wasn't always pushing up as desired. He made one excellent run though which almost lead to a goal
Pirlo - A great outing and goal. His goal was superb and he was very good in midfield, always keeping our flow going.
Gattuso - Another dominant performance. He's admitted to having issues with Leo and it shows. He can't keep it up for 90 minutes now, but he's proving very useful
Seedorf - Wasn't exactly in the game throughout, but tactically very good
Robinho - Still lacking sharpness but he's making the right movements in the team.
Dinho - Good game. Doesn't always track back but was a creative force in the middle and actually moved well.
Ibra - Decent game, just a shame he missed so many chances.
Pato - Glad to see him back, even if not 100%
Boateng - An important sub as he offered a greatly solidity in front of the defence. A big performance coming off the bench.
Abate - Solid offering after coming on. Sometimes gave the Parma winger too much space.

SomeDevil · 03-10-2010, 05:26

I really like the way we retained possession for long periods.
if seedorf gattuso etc play for the team like they did
they can be useful this season. though i hate it when dinho doesnt track back
there was this moment when i remember him walking back while the play was all around him as milan were trying to win back posession, which i must say we did pretty well today. Maybe r80 can work in the center ? we will have to see some more games and figure..

ACMILAN1983 · 03-10-2010, 06:34

Video of Pirlo's match against Parma, which has pretty much every touch he made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kSdC...layer_embedded

Aficio · 03-10-2010, 06:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Video of Pirlo's match against Parma, which has pretty much every touch he made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kSdC...layer_embedded

Thanks.

It is amazing when one of our stars shine.

And when all of them shine

M.O.I. · 03-10-2010, 07:47

yesterday i was happy to see the space between the lines defensively after a lot of time were pretty fine,we are so lucky to have nesta and tiago(for me nesta is a phenomenon, honestly..i dont care about the ajax goal),they play for 4 people..our fbs are so weak its getting rediculous..every opponent knows it and takes advantage of it..

for once more a coach seems to not trust flamini, so for me its clear that he is not trying or he is just not that good..carlo trusted rino and ambro more, leo trusted ambro more and as it seems allegri trusts rino more and we'll see about ambro..

ibra seems finally happy playing for us,he seems motivated and he is really getting into our tacticks(i was kind of worried of the time needed for that)..

if pirlo continues this kind of performances then we're blessed.
imo seedorf is on his worst season,dont get me wrong he helps,but he is clearly not the wc player he used to be,its so sad we dont see him shoot anymore btw..

anyway we are on a good track BUT we have so much work so as to be a top team again,and it seems possible..

ps lets hope for a good fb on jenuary,only that for now..

mzk57 · 03-10-2010, 08:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by M.O.I.

....... (for me nesta is a phenomenon, honestly..i dont care about the ajax goal) ......

King Nesta is the last true super star of the golden generation of ACM-2002-07. Seedorf, Pirlo, Gattuso & Inzaghi are not the shadow of what they were during that period. Nesta is still close to his very best. A few mistakes here & there can be forgiven at any time. After Paolo Maldini's retirement, King Nesta is AC Milan now. I hope he plays for 2 more season. I just feel Nesta has one more UCL to win. Could be this season

GeoTav · 03-10-2010, 08:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by mzk57

Only 63 posts here. Are MM members losing hope or what?

My bad luck, i missed the game

A 1-0 victory, just the type of the game I prefer to watch & I missed it

But great to see AC Milan winning

BTW, any one following EPL must know what great form VdV is showing for Tottenhum. What a player ACM has missed

I missed it too ...

I knew I wouldn't be at home yesterday, so I planned to record the game few days ago, and I made a mistake in the date, instead of 02/10/2010, I put 02/11/2010, I was very upset when I understood my mistake !!

mrki · 03-10-2010, 08:28

I miss the game ONCE and we did well...

ccc...

mzk57 · 03-10-2010, 08:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeoTav

............. and I made a mistake in the date, instead of 02/10/2010, I put 02/11/2010, ................

Let me guess. You have seen the movie 'Sweet November' just recently, so therefore you were unintentionally thinking about November

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrki

I miss the game ONCE and we did well...

ccc...

Is it because you knew Pirlo's gonna score, so you skipped the game

Elmago99 · 03-10-2010, 11:11

Funny that so many of us missed this game.. better to miss Parma than Inter, Juve, Real Madrid, etc...

Thank G0d I have DVR.....had the game recorded....

I thought R80 played better as a trequartista, but agree with many that he's so lazy. If you compare him with Pastore, Hernanes, Xavi, Fabregas, Diego, Sneijder, Ozil.... his workrate is "embarassing".... He reminds me of Totti a little in that position.. getting the ball with back to goal, turning and chipping, barely moving .. not passing and running.. just distributing nicely with beautiful chips...

as for Gattuso, I still wouldn't use him more than once per week, but my g0d he seems to be back, it's amazing and a wonderful surprise...

Aficio · 03-10-2010, 11:16

Lazio top the table now, their form is great, so the draw against them was not bad.

Inter will lose tonight

edysupriadi · 03-10-2010, 12:21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eQZ_zmL8Q

out of topic guys ! de jong's tackle (1:32) is punishable by a shot in the head..really, that was horrible and no card given !

02-10-2010, 21:44	#61
OCmilano Registered User Join Date: 08 2006 Location: Southern California Fave Players: All that wear Red & Black	Not really happy this game. Against Ajax we had waaaay better movement. Im happy we won, Im happy R80 didnt hug the sideline. Im still not happy with the coaches ideas. __________________ ROBINHO TIME

03-10-2010, 02:54	#62
brk Registered User Join Date: 05 2008	I think we learned a lot from this game. Allegri said that the reason why he played Ronnie in the center was because Parma played a 442 and he would have been doubled up on on the left. That's a very telling statement, and it shows that he's flexible when it comes to our tactics. We actually played a Xmas tree against Parma, with Robinho and Ronaldinho much closer together behind Ibra who had the freedom to roam the front line. This meant that we had 4 bands instead of 3, which meant that we had many more options to move the ball forward. It was a great move by Allegri. I'm guessing once we have Pato back we'll even have the option to play 4312 regularly, along with our wide 433. What I didn't like was his substitutions at the end. Bringing in Pato was a terrible mistake which we could have been punished for. We should have done the same thing as with Ajax and converted to a 442 at the end, bringing on Boateng and Flamini for Gattuso and Robinho. That way, Seedorf and Boateng will cover the flanks instead of watching Pirlo, Boateng and Seedorf run around like crazy trying to help out our fullbacks. It was suicidal and watching Pato play like DM for most of the time he was one proves it was a mistake. Maybe he was expecting us to hold on to the ball more, but it wasn't working. Anyway, it was great seeing the Xmas tree again. It works well against the right opposition, and having the flexibility and depth to change our formation is great news. __________________ BELIEVE IN ALLEGRI

03-10-2010, 04:40	#63
mzk57 Registered User Join Date: 02 2006 Location: Madak Lasht, PK Fave Players: DM10 PM3 AN13 JZ4 GB9 FL8 PN11 WS10 DV7 JDT & KJH	Only 63 posts here. Are MM members losing hope or what? My bad luck, i missed the game A 1-0 victory, just the type of the game I prefer to watch & I missed it But great to see AC Milan winning BTW, any one following EPL must know what great form VdV is showing for Tottenhum. What a player ACM has missed __________________ On 3-7-2010 I thought I would quit watching football, but lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll "WHY so serious?....." Let's put a SMILE on that face! " Last edited by mzk57; 03-10-2010 at 04:43.

03-10-2010, 07:47	#68
M.O.I. Registered User Join Date: 08 2008 Fave Players: nesta,paolo,kaka,sheva(not $heva) and me..	yesterday i was happy to see the space between the lines defensively after a lot of time were pretty fine,we are so lucky to have nesta and tiago(for me nesta is a phenomenon, honestly..i dont care about the ajax goal),they play for 4 people..our fbs are so weak its getting rediculous..every opponent knows it and takes advantage of it.. for once more a coach seems to not trust flamini, so for me its clear that he is not trying or he is just not that good..carlo trusted rino and ambro more, leo trusted ambro more and as it seems allegri trusts rino more and we'll see about ambro.. ibra seems finally happy playing for us,he seems motivated and he is really getting into our tacticks(i was kind of worried of the time needed for that).. if pirlo continues this kind of performances then we're blessed. imo seedorf is on his worst season,dont get me wrong he helps,but he is clearly not the wc player he used to be,its so sad we dont see him shoot anymore btw.. anyway we are on a good track BUT we have so much work so as to be a top team again,and it seems possible.. ps lets hope for a good fb on jenuary,only that for now.. __________________ AC Milan Prediction League Champion 2008-09 Serie A Prediction League Champion 2008-09 "2+2=5" Last edited by M.O.I.; 03-10-2010 at 07:49.

03-10-2010, 08:28	#71
mrki Registered User Join Date: 04 2005 Location: Croatia Fave Players: Maldini, Boban, Inzaghi	I miss the game ONCE and we did well... ccc... __________________ "Where others have succeeded, I have always failed..." Jacques Clouseau

03-10-2010, 05:13	#64
ACMILAN1983 Registered User Join Date: 01 2004 Location: England Fave Players: Maldini, Pirlo and rest of Milan	An excellent game on the whole and I'd argue our best this season so far. Lecce was a higher scoring affair where we were totally dominant, but the quality of the opposition made it very easy for us. Last night, not only were we dominant, but we played against a pretty decent side (one which is better than it's position in the standings suggest). Progress is being made, and that's vital for us. We started out with a 4-3-1-2 with two shuttlers either side of Pirlo. Seedorf was predominantly the more attacking of the midfield trio meaning we generally were on the offensive through the left, or middle left, something somewhat reminiscent of Ancelotti's Milan. Dinho played in the hole behind the forward line and found space as Parma focus a lot on attacking the wide areas, leaving just two in the middle who were often occupied with Seedorf and Rino. Our weakness early on was actually our lack of width as fullbacks were pinned back by Angelo and Marquez, and very hesitant to push up. This forced (although it was part of the gameplan too) Ibra and Robinho into the wings. Had our midfield pushed up to run through the openings, then we would have found more openings earlier on. Either way, we were creating chances, even though it took a Pirlo special to open the scoring. After the goal I think we had our best period. We completely dominated Parma, pressed high all over and were clearly looking to end the match. Parma were fortunate as we still lack clinical finishing and Mirante was a massive presence. That said, we were excellent during this period until Antonini went off. Due to Antonini's injury, we lost our balance for a while as we lost our structure. Parma gained momentum and attacked us well in wide areas, really looking to push knowing our struggle both tactically and physically. We held on through this period and in the last 10 minutes or so we regained control, partly through Boateng's presence in the middle and partly as we looked to push our defensive line up again. Overall, a very positive performance and result. We're still a work in progress, but we are starting to see what Allegri's Milan is about. Players... Abbiati - Had actually very little to do. One save from a long distant shot and stopping Crespo late on. Was very alert though Zambrotta - Defensively sound but offered little going forward. Nesta - Very solid performance, he offered assurance to the backline Thiago - Like Nesta a good performance where he covered for Antonini well too Antonini - Another relatively weak showing. He didn't look solid against Angelo and wasn't always pushing up as desired. He made one excellent run though which almost lead to a goal Pirlo - A great outing and goal. His goal was superb and he was very good in midfield, always keeping our flow going. Gattuso - Another dominant performance. He's admitted to having issues with Leo and it shows. He can't keep it up for 90 minutes now, but he's proving very useful Seedorf - Wasn't exactly in the game throughout, but tactically very good Robinho - Still lacking sharpness but he's making the right movements in the team. Dinho - Good game. Doesn't always track back but was a creative force in the middle and actually moved well. Ibra - Decent game, just a shame he missed so many chances. Pato - Glad to see him back, even if not 100% Boateng - An important sub as he offered a greatly solidity in front of the defence. A big performance coming off the bench. Abate - Solid offering after coming on. Sometimes gave the Parma winger too much space.

03-10-2010, 05:26	#65
SomeDevil Registered User Join Date: 02 2010 Location: Goa/Bombay Fave Players: Maldini, baggio,Maradona,Van basten	I really like the way we retained possession for long periods. if seedorf gattuso etc play for the team like they did they can be useful this season. though i hate it when dinho doesnt track back there was this moment when i remember him walking back while the play was all around him as milan were trying to win back posession, which i must say we did pretty well today. Maybe r80 can work in the center ? we will have to see some more games and figure..

03-10-2010, 06:34	#66
ACMILAN1983 Registered User Join Date: 01 2004 Location: England Fave Players: Maldini, Pirlo and rest of Milan	Video of Pirlo's match against Parma, which has pretty much every touch he made. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kSdC...layer_embedded

03-10-2010, 11:11	#73
Elmago99 Registered User Join Date: 06 2010 Location: New York Fave Players: Nesta, Pippo, Ibra, Rino, Maldini, Tevez, Drogba	Funny that so many of us missed this game.. better to miss Parma than Inter, Juve, Real Madrid, etc... Thank G0d I have DVR.....had the game recorded.... I thought R80 played better as a trequartista, but agree with many that he's so lazy. If you compare him with Pastore, Hernanes, Xavi, Fabregas, Diego, Sneijder, Ozil.... his workrate is "embarassing".... He reminds me of Totti a little in that position.. getting the ball with back to goal, turning and chipping, barely moving .. not passing and running.. just distributing nicely with beautiful chips... as for Gattuso, I still wouldn't use him more than once per week, but my g0d he seems to be back, it's amazing and a wonderful surprise... Last edited by Elmago99; 03-10-2010 at 11:13.

03-10-2010, 11:16	#74
Aficio Registered User Join Date: 11 2006 Fave Players: Maradona & Paolo Maldini	Lazio top the table now, their form is great, so the draw against them was not bad. Inter will lose tonight

03-10-2010, 12:21	#75
edysupriadi Registered User Join Date: 05 2006 Location: the most peaceful city , JAMBI - INDONESIA Fave Players: Maldini, Nesta, Pippo, Cantona, Kaka	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eQZ_zmL8Q out of topic guys ! de jong's tackle (1:32) is punishable by a shot in the head..really, that was horrible and no card given !

OCmilano

brk

mzk57

ACMILAN1983

SomeDevil

ACMILAN1983

Aficio

M.O.I.

mzk57

GeoTav

mrki

mzk57

Elmago99

Aficio

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