Milan - Juventus (30/10 - 20:45)

What does Allegri see in Seedorf and Pirlo, game after game, after game after game? Pirlo I understand, but he can't play all the time.

I hope a Milanista in the city does the Rossoneri a favor and take out Seedorf in a tackle on the street because Allegri seems to be the opposite of the coach we saw in the summer. Allegri will never learn how crap Seedorf is and will never understand PIRLO AND SEEDORF should not CO-EXIST.

Antonini - I hope everyone now realizes after the horror show today that he never was Milan level.

Pato - time to hear offers of the others while he is at this age and around his prime. We could probably get 60 million out of him which we could get both Ganso and Neymar and pay their wages for a few years.

Pato - time to hear offers of the others while he is at this age and around his prime. We could probably get 60 million out of him which we could get both Ganso and Neymar and pay their wages for a few years.[/quote]

EXACTLY what i thought !

Originally Posted by hitmannq8

What does Allegri see in Seedorf and Pirlo, game after game, after game after game? Pirlo I understand, but he can't play all the time.

I hope a Milanista in the city does the Rossoneri a favor and take out Seedorf in a tackle on the street because Allegri seems to be the opposite of the coach we saw in the summer. Allegri will never learn how crap Seedorf is and will never understand PIRLO AND SEEDORF should not CO-EXIST.

Antonini - I hope everyone now realizes after the horror show today that he never was Milan level.

Pato - time to hear offers of the others while he is at this age and around his prime. We could probably get 60 million out of him which we could get both Ganso and Neymar and pay their wages for a few years.

Finally, welcome on board buddy. Pato is perfect for a quicker team but not for us. He cant dribble or pass. But he is a great scorer if he has a open view.

its the kind of defeats i hate the most..
knowing that you deserve much much more is harder to accept..

Originally Posted by hitmannq8

Pato - time to hear offers of the others while he is at this age and around his prime. We could probably get 60 million out of him which we could get both Ganso and Neymar and pay their wages for a few years.

Originally Posted by SomeDevil

EXACTLY what i thought !

Originally Posted by OCmilano

Finally, welcome on board buddy. Pato is perfect for a quicker team but not for us. He cant dribble or pass. But he is a great scorer if he has a open view.

Seriously...

Originally Posted by Pedro

Seriously...

Million %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%


Is that serious enough?

I'm not so much disappointed for our loss tonight. It was clear that in the second half Juve will have a packed bus in front of their goal, and that exactly happened. Still, we were able to create something.

Whoever didn't watch the game, don't listen all the kids here blaming Allegri. Allegri's tactics was very good, he chose to play Pato and Robinho wide to attack Juventus' weakest point, full backs, and that was great decision. He totally outsmarted Del Neri, we were great in first 20 minutes, but then we've conceded a cheap goal because Antonini was bad placed and slow to react. Still, we've created 2-3 great chances after that in the first half.

In the second, Juve had all players behind the ball, still our play was good. We were going through sides, and we've created some chances that Ibra missed (he missed at least 4-5 good chances tonight). Then, another BIZARRE mistake by Antonini, he awfully missed the ball with his head, and that was 0:2. I really don't know what keeps Antonini in the starting 11, because for me he's probably the worst player in our all roster, the guy can't defend, can't cross, can't make even a simple pass, is afraid whenever he receives the ball when there is an opposition player 5 meters from him, all he's good at he's quick and has will to run up and down all the time.
Then, even at 0:2 after a shocking goal, we were playing good, until the final whistle, Gattuso and Pirlo NEVER stopped running. If someone can't see how great job Allegri did to resurrect those two players, he's blind. Gattuso was STUNNING, he had energy for 90 minutes, and that was a textbook DM performance. In the end, we had another chance to make it 2:2 but Sokratis missed a 5 meters header.

Allegri made a mistake by putting Seedorf in for Boateng, because Seedorf was looking like he just came off another 90-minutes game. He couldn't run at all. Still, Boateng was a liability tactically, he made some great runs forward, he was fighting great, but he wasn't too good tactically and was frequently out of his position.

However, it's clear from this game that we're lacking a real attacking midfielder. A player who can break defenses with his passes, can move, can score, can latch onto a loose ball on the edge of the box and can help midfield in defending. Let's be honest, Ronaldinho isn't an AM, neither is Robinho, so the sooner Allegri forgets about 4-3-1-2 - the better. Sneijder type of AM would make us one of the best teams in Europe. And get rid of Antonini please.

Revolver please tell me the formation we played tonight?

And Antonini is put in the line up by the coach you love so dearly.

And tell me about our defense in the midfield today as well, how we let Juve stroll to our half every single time?

Pato - crap today! dribbled every time he touched the ball. It worked out in the beginning of the game but then he started losing the ball every time. He's improved physically, but his decision making is still equal to that of a 17 year old.

Papa - crap today. The first goal should have been avoided with his clearance. Yet he decided to juggle on his head. Then played back to Abbiati who's clearance was horrible. That little "clown show" by both Sokratis and Papa put us under pressure out of which Juve got the ball, played it out wide, crossed and scored. Don't even get me started on the marking of the first goal. Nesta was the only one that looked like a professional defender in that.

Ibra - scored. But SHOULD have scored 2 more. We can't miss clear cut chances like this.

Robinho - not bad, but not good. Did good in the last 15 mins or so on the left. But I don't know what his role was. I wonder if he's confused too by this.

Boateng - bad.

Pirlo - bad. for the most part.

Seedorf - someone said he can't even play 20 mins now days. I absolutely agree.

Fullbacks - not second class. But a Serie C class today. Even if Antonini had an assist. It's still not good enough. Modern day football is many times run by fullbacks. Yet ours are just average. Both going forward, and staying back.


** From the day that we spent 20mil(?) on Robinho, I have been wondering why we did that and didn't invest in a fullback or a midfielder (AM or box-to-box). I have nothing against Robinho. It's obviously good to have the luxury or having someone like him step in from the bench or start a game. But it's very evident that we have much much bigger needs. I hope the management realizes this.

And no, I am not causing any panic. We are still only a point behind Inter. We lost the game against Juventus. It's a derby and anything can happen. Perhaps if we put our chances away (they did...as they only had about 3) then it would be different now. But that's not the point. It's clear that we are missing a link in the midfield and we are lacking big time in the FB area.

I am hoping things can improve....but our gameplay is absolutely terrible. The movement, the speed of our attacks and the way we defend (our defensive line is way too deep when we don't have the ball and we allow other teams free entrance until about 35 meters from our goal.....that's way too deep) are absolutely at a very low standard. We need to start playing...and we need to start doing it soon.

One thing that is positive is that we seem to be able to beat small teams this year somehow. And that might take us far. But I don't see us doing well in the CL playing like this. We can not allow this kind of space to big teams. They will pick us apart. We must take the pressure at least up to the half field.


Forza Milan!! As always. But can't deny the huge dissapointment. It's always fukin horrible to lose against Juventus. But losing against a pure Juventus like this one, hurts even more.

Originally Posted by OCmilano

Revolver please tell me the formation we played tonight?

And Antonini is put in the line up by the coach you love so dearly.

And tell me about our defense in the midfield today as well, how we let Juve stroll to our half every single time?

4-3-3, with Boateng constantly out of position. Robinho and Pato were instructed to stay wide, because we were supposed to attack their full backs, and we eventually did - just look at the number of chances we've created through sides.

I'm not loving Allegri "so dearly" please get serious, and don't act like a kid. Unlike you, I'm able to say everything good Allegri did, as well as everything bad he did. He was very good tonight, the only mistake he made is putting Seedorf in, but then, he didn't had a much choice, did he?

I don't know what you mean by defense, because our defense was great tonight. And so was the midfield. Our full backs were playing almost like wingers and still we've managed to keep Juve away from our goal.

Let's both be honest, it wasn't a great game from us, but we would won if it wasn't for two amateur mistakes by Antonini.

Originally Posted by Revolver

I'm not so much disappointed for our loss tonight. It was clear that in the second half Juve will have a packed bus in front of their goal, and that exactly happened. Still, we were able to create something.

Whoever didn't watch the game, don't listen all the kids here blaming Allegri. Allegri's tactics was very good, he chose to play Pato and Robinho wide to attack Juventus' weakest point, full backs, and that was great decision. He totally outsmarted Del Neri, we were great in first 20 minutes, but then we've conceded a cheap goal because Antonini was bad placed and slow to react. Still, we've created 2-3 great chances after that in the first half.

In the second, Juve had all players behind the ball, still our play was good. We were going through sides, and we've created some chances that Ibra missed (he missed at least 4-5 good chances tonight). Then, another BIZARRE mistake by Antonini, he awfully missed the ball with his head, and that was 0:2. I really don't know what keeps Antonini in the starting 11, because for me he's probably the worst player in our all roster, the guy can't defend, can't cross, can't make even a simple pass, is afraid whenever he receives the ball when there is an opposition player 5 meters from him, all he's good at he's quick and has will to run up and down all the time.
Then, even at 0:2 after a shocking goal, we were playing good, until the final whistle, Gattuso and Pirlo NEVER stopped running. If someone can't see how great job Allegri did to resurrect those two players, he's blind. Gattuso was STUNNING, he had energy for 90 minutes, and that was a textbook DM performance. In the end, we had another chance to make it 2:2 but Sokratis missed a 5 meters header.

Allegri made a mistake by putting Seedorf in for Boateng, because Seedorf was looking like he just came off another 90-minutes game. He couldn't run at all. Still, Boateng was a liability tactically, he made some great runs forward, he was fighting great, but he wasn't too good tactically and was frequently out of his position.

However, it's clear from this game that we're lacking a real attacking midfielder. A player who can break defenses with his passes, can move, can score, can latch onto a loose ball on the edge of the box and can help midfield in defending. Let's be honest, Ronaldinho isn't an AM, neither is Robinho, so the sooner Allegri forgets about 4-3-1-2 - the better. Sneijder type of AM would make us one of the best teams in Europe. And get rid of Antonini please.

Mate, I watched the game live on TV and I must agree with you here. A lot of the time we play with 3 in the middle, theres no one to run onto the loose ball that Ibra or Pato knocks back to the edge of the box and the ball gets cleared so easily. I find it eternally frustrating when a knock back is rolling around, completely free, in their area, but there is absolutely NO ONE to run in to even attempt a shot at goal. Their defense and midfield has all the time in the world to stroll over to recollect the ball, and then its another counter. I mean...... at least get the ball out of play and stop them from attacking.
The 4-3-1-2 with two on the wings and no one running up in the middle is definitely not working. We're a side that creates chance after chance, and yet when the first try gets blocked off, theres always NO follow through for a second attempt. Goalies won't be afraid of us if all they need to do for each attack is to snuff out the first onel, we need to make opposing defenses scramble around more!

Unfortunately for us, when we do try playing two on the wings, like Allegri does, then there really isn't anyone who can follow through like an attacking mid......... well....... except for Boateng, but he tends to sit back a bit more (more likely Allegri's orders)...

We were very unlucky today and made to pay for our terrible defense. Antonini isn't good enough for Milan and we need two new fullbacks.

Robinho was great when he had the ball, but he disappeared a lot of the time.

Pato wasted so many chances.

Are we ruined? Of course not. We lost a game we should have won, but we're still in the race and we'll be in it until the end. We can't win every game, we already won 4 in a row before this.

I'm not sure what we could have done differently. Had we scored first, it would have been a different game. Their first goal, it was a mistake by Sokratis and Antonini and whoever left the guy free to cross. The second, it was a terrible mistake by Antonini and I think Abbiati should have rushed to claim the ball in the mix-up. He just stood there.

Ibra needs to be ruthless and Pato has to free his mind, but they worked hard.

Pirlo was disappointing.

Juve worked really hard to close the spaces and they deserved at least a draw from the game, but not a win.

I can't remember a better refereeing performance recently. He was really great.

I guess what i'm saying is that we didn't deserve to lose, but had we some better cover for our injured (non-existent) defenders then maybe we could have done better.

To the people calling for us to sell Pato: Go **** yourselves. It's idiots like you that push the best players out of their teams. You can't expect them to perform 100% every game. You win some, you lose some. Get over it.

Of course we lack a real AM.. I mean: HELLO, GOOD MORNING??

Originally Posted by Revolver

I'm not so much disappointed for our loss tonight.

Whoever didn't watch the game, don't listen all the kids here blaming Allegri. Allegri's tactics was very good, he chose to play Pato and Robinho wide to attack Juventus' weakest point, full backs, and that was great decision. He totally outsmarted Del Neri,

Acid is not good for health man !
stop tripping !
write another post explaining the formation and strategy please

Originally Posted by OCmilano

Revolver please tell me the formation we played tonight?

And Antonini is put in the line up by the coach you love so dearly.

And tell me about our defense in the midfield today as well, how we let Juve stroll to our half every single time?

bingo ! can't agree with u more