Winter Mercato 2011

Ok so let's get this straight; we've had now two members on MM (Nando, Super Sheva) state that not only are we linked to Fernando Torres, it is very possible if not probable that we'll sell Pato and buy Torres. Also, there are rumors that Pato is trouble in the locker-room, a bit upset that Ibra is the focal point of the team, etc.

I can't believe this. Even if I see a source, I've never heard of these issues before. Also, in terms of quality, I believe Pato is better than Fernando Torres. Pato is faster, younger, and perhaps a better finisher. Also, Torres is injured all the time too, and he has no excuse because he's older.

I don't really want Balotelli, I didnt really want Cassano, but I certainly do NOT want Pato to leave. Instead, we must, and this is very important, get a player like Coentrao, Luiz, Ranocchia, Jucilei, Ganso, Lazzari,, and start replacing our Midfield and horrible defenders (Bonera, Oddo, Janku, Onyewu)

I'm not sure where this nonsense about Pato came from, but our forward line is NOT the problem...

Originally Posted by hitmannq8

agreed fully. Every single one of our strikers is better than Torres right now, by quite alot to. What ever happened to our youth players like Oduamadi, Verdi, Beretta, Zigoni? Are they that bad or are we that harsh in giving them chances?

Yea your right f. torres is not better than robinho , pato , or cassano do you realize what your saying ? , do you actually watch games ? , omg i swear , a healthy f. torres is as good or better than a healthy drogba or messi , height and strength always beats speed & dribbling , i guess roasting 6' 7" peu mertesacker for germany in euro 08 final is overated when hes barely 6'1" ? , go on youtube and watch the goal over and you'll see if any of our strikers besides ibra can do that , look you dont even have to respond , because i know you'll regret what you wrote ....

Originally Posted by Rossoneri Fuego

Yea your right f. torres is not better than robinho , pato , or cassano do you realize what your saying ? , do you actually watch games ? , omg i swear , a healthy f. torres is as good or better than a healthy drogba or messi , height and strength always beats speed & dribbling , i guess roasting 6' 7" peu mertesacker for germany in euro 08 final is overated when hes barely 6'1" ? , go on youtube and watch the goal over and you'll see if any of our strikers besides ibra can do that , look you dont even have to respond , because i know you'll regret what you wrote ....

It's silly to discuss this about Torres. I don't know why they would EVER sell him.. they plan to make a come back and get in the CL, they don't want to get relegated,

Originally Posted by Rossoneri Fuego

Yea your right f. torres is not better than robinho , pato , or cassano do you realize what your saying ? , do you actually watch games ? , omg i swear , a healthy f. torres is as good or better than a healthy drogba or messi , height and strength always beats speed & dribbling , i guess roasting 6' 7" peu mertesacker for germany in euro 08 final is overated when hes barely 6'1" ? , go on youtube and watch the goal over and you'll see if any of our strikers besides ibra can do that , look you dont even have to respond , because i know you'll regret what you wrote ....

Before being aggressive in your reply to somebody, read the post carefully: "Every single one of our strikers is better than Torres right now, by quite alot to" ...

Torres was amazing in Atletico Madrid, but IMO, he hasn't improved since that time, mainly due to the several injuries he has had !!

Right now, and since last season, Torres has been everything you want but constant/regular, actually, since he's been in Liverpool, he has been unable to make a complete season to high level. Actually, this season, I even think Torres is not as good as when he was in Atletico.

The guy needs to leave Liverpool and England if he wants to launch again his career, because I think that his problem is not only about injuries but also confidence and happiness (Liverpool, except Joe Cole, hasn't bought one good player in years).

So it's not a scandal to claim that right now, today, our strikers are better than him. Of course, a 100% fit Torres is WC, but he's far from being at 100% and as a consequence, he's no more a WC striker (I have no doubts he will be WC again in some months/years).

About the rumours regarding Torres, he's linked with Barcelona nowadays, I didn't see anything linking this player to Milan ...

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

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As far as stats go (source: ESPN), see below. I've shown Serie A stats only as that has been our primary goal this season and we're yet to see the same consistency in CL.

Ibrahimovic
Games played : 16 (0 as sub)
Goals : 9
Assists : 7

Pato
Games Played : 8 (2 as sub)
Goals : 6
Assists : 0

Inzaghi
Games Played : 5 (4 as sub)
Goals : 2
Assists : 0

Robinho
Games Played : 15 (4 as sub)
Goals : 6
Assists : 0

Ronaldinho
Games Played : 11 (4 as sub)
Goals : 0
Assists : 3

Ibra is our best performing forward if you look at goals and assists, but Pato has the best goals to games ratio. If we consider that his season has been dogged by injuries until now, then the statistics he has are phenomenal.

thx for searching for these stats....and they are exactly what i was thinking...Pato has an incredible scoring ratio...numbers don't lie

btw, i've been here for more than a yr now and always read everybody call u Dev but not sure why...would be nice to know

and for the guy who is attacking everybody for saying Torres is not good enough now...i suggest he watch some football

as for the 2 new members throwing around claims about Torres coming, well I couldn't care less and they can launch any transfer rumour they like....just don't go around throwing claims about Pato causing problems...not sure what the real reason behind doing that is...but i am sure it is not positive for Milan, so drop it plz

Originally Posted by LebRN

thx for searching for these stats....and they are exactly what i was thinking...Pato has an incredible scoring ratio...numbers don't lie

btw, i've been here for more than a yr now and always read everybody call u Dev but not sure why...would be nice to know

and for the guy who is attacking everybody for saying Torres is not good enough now...i suggest he watch some football

as for the 2 new members throwing around claims about Torres coming, well I couldn't care less and they can launch any transfer rumour they like....just don't go around throwing claims about Pato causing problems...not sure what the real reason behind doing that is...but i am sure it is not positive for Milan, so drop it plz

Could be Interisti?

Originally Posted by Rossoneri Fuego

[b]WTF !? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TORRES PLAYED INJURED IN THE WORLD CUP AND RIPPED HIS GROIN AT THE END OF THE FINAL IN EXTRA TIME ?

He got injured rite at the end, so nothing to do with his poor form. If a player is a true world class stuff, then he is useful even when 50% fit, e.g. Maradona-1990 & Totti-2006. Torres isn't world class anymore.

THATS WHY HE DIDNT START ! ? ,

He didn't start because of his pathetic displays in 5 matches in a row + they way David Villa over shadowed him big times & Spain had better quality players in Pedro, Silva etc

FLUKE 2 YEARS ? ARE YOU SMOKING CRACK ?

If some one scores 25 goals in one season & falls down to reality after that, that is called a fluke. Torres's first season with Liverpool was a fluke. Gilardino scored 17 goals in his first season with ACM & after that never really impressed.

I GUESS YOU FORGOT ABOUT ALL OF EL NINOS GOALS IN THE UEFA CL AND STILL WORKING HARD IN EUROPA LEAGUE ?

You will find 10 more strikers who will score the same number of goals if they play with Xavi, Alonso, Iniesta, Gerrard etc

HOW ABOUT WHEN HE SINGLED HANDEDLY DESTROYED CHELSEA THIS YEAR SCORING 2 GOALS BY HIMSELF WHEN THEY WERE ON FIRE ! ?

That's one match you are talking about. Chelsea also lost 3-0 at home to Sunderland. Does that mean ACM should also sign the scorers for Sunderland, Onuoha, Gyan & Welbeck?

I GUESS YOU DONT WATCH A LOT OF FOOTBALL DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE YOU MOUTH OFF AND DONT ANALYSE FOOTBALL ENOUGH ! ,

I think I watch more EPL football than anyone else on MM. So I guess I see more of Torres's than any other MM member. Plus you are forgetting the fact that I am the BEST PUNDIT on MM, period.

Originally Posted by Rossoneri Fuego

WTF !? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TORRES PLAYED INJURED IN THE WORLD CUP AND RIPPED HIS GROIN AT THE END OF THE FINAL IN EXTRA TIME ? , THATS WHY HE DIDNT START ! ? , FLUKE 2 YEARS ? ARE YOU SMOKING CRACK ? I GUESS YOU FORGOT ABOUT ALL OF EL NINOS GOALS IN THE UEFA CL AND STILL WORKING HARD IN EUROPA LEAGUE ? HOW ABOUT WHEN HE SINGLED HANDEDLY DESTROYED CHELSEA THIS YEAR SCORING 2 GOALS BY HIMSELF WHEN THEY WERE ON FIRE ! ? I GUESS YOU DONT WATCH A LOT OF FOOTBALL DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE YOU MOUTH OFF AND DONT ANALYSE FOOTBALL ENOUGH ! ,

I agree with many (not all) points on your posts, but seriously, stop using the f**kin all-bold and all-capitals. Others will think you're mental, mad, or something like that, and won't read your posts seriously. Besides, it's annoying.

Originally Posted by mzk57

Plus you are forgetting the fact that I am the BEST PUNDIT on MM, period.

Enough with this bull$hit.

Torres IMO is the best striker there is. no doubt about it. but he has been out of form for a long time now, mainly becouse of injuries. But I'm 100% he'll find his best form again, and than he's lethal!!

Drogba in england is better than him, but imo I'd prefer to keep Pato as IMO he's a better player at same age and will get better.

He's lost a bit of form and works the line well but as said I think our forwards will work better together than if we had Torres-ibra or whatever.

He wasn't great in Spain either. He was scored alot of goals from penalties.

He wasn't 1st choice for Spain due to injuries, but also because Villa is a better forward for Spain than Torres can hope to be.

Originally Posted by Jeff

We need to have a 'like' function in our website (see http://milanmania.com/forums/showthr...t=26762&page=2 why we may be losing functions and have you say there!), because Dev's post is classic.

Thumbs up to Dev. A wonderful illustration of what a great post is supposed to be.

Thanks Jeff, it's very much appreciated

Originally Posted by LebRN

thx for searching for these stats....and they are exactly what i was thinking...Pato has an incredible scoring ratio...numbers don't lie

btw, i've been here for more than a yr now and always read everybody call u Dev but not sure why...would be nice to know

and for the guy who is attacking everybody for saying Torres is not good enough now...i suggest he watch some football

as for the 2 new members throwing around claims about Torres coming, well I couldn't care less and they can launch any transfer rumour they like....just don't go around throwing claims about Pato causing problems...not sure what the real reason behind doing that is...but i am sure it is not positive for Milan, so drop it plz

No worries about the stats, it's something I was thinking about myself.

I'm called Dev as it's my name (well, nickname). Feel free to call me it if you prefer

There's a lot of talk of Torres lately and I must say I really see little point in getting him (if the so called rumours for which there are no sources at this point are true).

The player for me is an enigma, and one which I think is a huge risk for us. At Atletico he showed he had talent, but was always considered a player with great potential rather than a star. At Liverpool he took the step up and got himself acknowledged on the world stage. Nowerdays, he's still considered one of the best, but one who is suffering a lot due to injuries.

That's all fair and we all know he's talented, but it's not the complete picture, especially when looking at a supposed replacement for Pato. Torres wasn't a great goalscorer at Atletico, despite all the promise he showed. At Liverpool, his record in the league is outstanding (not far off a goal a game), but there's a considerable drop when he plays in Europe (less than 1 goal every 2 games) and this season his form has nosedived (of course injuries play their part too). For Spain Torres isn't exactly great, averaging a goal every 3/4 games or so. My question is why is this? In the Premiership he's brilliant, but otherwise he's not a great goalscorer (a necessity for a Pato replacement). One explanation could well be he's well suited to English football, but not necessarily other styles of the game. What worries me is if he comes to Milan and isn't the great goalscorer of the Premiership, then he will struggle in Milan.

I also have other hesitations. His injuries are a huge issue. If this is supposedly one of the reasons to replace Pato, then Torres isn't really our man.

He will also cost a fortune, which again is a huge risk for an injury prone forward who may not be a great goalscorer in Milan.

Finally, my doubt in Torres is his age. Pato has yet to reach the heights he's capable of, but he's also only 21. Torres is 26 and soon will be 27. We've already got Ibra, Robinho and pretty much Cassano within this age group, all very high quality forwards. We don't need another forward who is in his prime at this point. For me, a forward who we can build our future around is much better imo.

First off, Merry Xmas and wish that there are more presents from Berlu and Galli beside Cassano.

On the topic of Torres. When he is fit, he is one of the top strikers in the world and might be the best one on one against defender in the world since Ronaldo was skinny.
He is probably the perfect striker in a counter attack system due to his speed, size and one on one skill.
That's probably why he struggles in Spain Natl and will struggle in Milan. As Milan plays off Ibra.

What about Edin Dzeko?

Is he a penalty box striker?

He's an all round forward, much like Ibra in that he has the speed and technique to operate as wide player and also can pass well enough to drop into am.

Dzeko is more like Henry.