kastriot

kastriot · 10-01-2011, 05:30

Abbiati-Amelia
Nesta-Bonera
Pirlo-Seedorf
Flamini,Ambrosini,Boateng-Straser
Zambrota-Antonini

we had 5-6 first team players injured for this game. All of their replacement were either direct or indirect cause of the 4 goals conceded. In these circumstances and against highly motivated Udinese, we did well.

One more thing. IBRA OMG OMG....what an amazing player he is. Pato is great,but this guy is from another dimension. He has to be up there with C.Ronaldo and Messi,just not as flashy.

Siregar · 10-01-2011, 05:53

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Originally Posted by Gabriel489

I think the learning from great players in practice is such a horrible statement, just look at Kala.

I don't think it is horrible. The players themselves admit it. There is difference when you train and especially doing something to learn from the WC CB (like watching them, discussing with them, etc.) and train with only mediocre CBs. I bet a standard CB who trains with Nesta, Maldini and the likes will bring better performance averagely in certain number of games (20-30 games) compared to the same standard CB trains with Bonera, Legrotaglia, Barzagli, etc.

Ah tja, Kaladze was not that bad like people criticized. He was decent-good enough as CB and left fullback (in his about first three seasons with Milan) but getting worse and worse since problem with his brother. With Bonera I only remember he was good partnering with Maldini in some games a couple of years ago and then tested against Inter (big team) and he failed. In normal condition (without problem Kaladze faced) I choose Kaladze over Bonera.

patos older bro · 10-01-2011, 08:17

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Originally Posted by kastriot

Abbiati-Amelia
Nesta-Bonera
Pirlo-Seedorf
Flamini,Ambrosini,Boateng-Straser
Zambrota-Antonini

we had 5-6 first team players injured for this game. All of their replacement were either direct or indirect cause of the 4 goals conceded. In these circumstances and against highly motivated Udinese, we did well.

One more thing. IBRA OMG OMG....what an amazing player he is. Pato is great,but this guy is from another dimension. He has to be up there with C.Ronaldo and Messi,just not as flashy.

ibrahimovic's defo up there with messi and ronaldo.in fact i wud take him over ronaldo cos i think hes capable of producing more magic.and i think cassano has the talent to be as gud all of them(Lets just hope we see it)

Elmago99 · 10-01-2011, 09:43

Watching the game again, and as bad as Bonera is, I honestly think Seedorf could be worse. What happened to Seedorf's long range shooting. He's 20 or 30 meters wide of the post with every shot. Horrible. He loses the ball in the center of the field often, he jogs around, then he claps to the fans when he leaves?

Very confusing....

Enough of Bonera bashing, I think he won't be in the lineup again (I hope

)
However, Sanchez and Di Natale are very good players, and Di Natale's run and goal was World Class, so Bravo to him.

Ibra & Cassano, sit back and enjoy!!!

mzk57 · 10-01-2011, 13:01

The only person that doesn't understand that both Seedorf & Bonera are no more ACM starting material is Allegri, who is actually the coach of the team that is leading Seria-A table by some points. Just don't know what to make of this situation. Or maybe as the Joker said "It Chaos Time"

Codino · 10-01-2011, 20:11

dude, whoever you put in at the back from the bench will have the same problem. likewise with putting youths in the midfield. it was allegri's safest option.

let's just enjoy being first and have faith in the important players delivering. it could be worse... we could be Juventus.

#3Forever · 10-01-2011, 20:41

Really dissapointed about our preformance. Poor defending but luckily we have got oodles of attacking talent to make up for it. The team wasn't coherent enough and were easily broken down. After this game Bonera and Seedorf really have to be looked at by Allegri, and he needs to make the descision if they are good enough. At this point in time I think the answer is no. I understand all the injuries, but still pretty dissapointing. Well after this, I have come to the conclusion that Robinho can't play AM, and our strongest formation should be this.

------------------------------------------------------------Abbiati-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------Abate------------------------Thiago Silva-------------------------Nesta------------------------------Antonini*-----------
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Boetang--------------------Pirlo-----------------------Gattuso-----------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Cassano-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Ibrahimovic------------------------------Pato-----------------------------------

Bench: Amelia, Yepes, Oddo, Flamini, Ambrosini, Robinho, Oduamadi

I have put a star next to Antonini signalling that he needs to be replaced this January. For left back, these are, for me the acceptable options.

Fabio Coentrao
Diego Contento
Domenico Crisctio
David Luiz?

MilanMikey · 10-01-2011, 23:41

ibra is a great great player.. out of those options id pick coentrao no doubt.. for fullback d.luiz as a cb.. man coentrao would be amazing.. coentrao,david luiz,sanchez,lazzari would be a dream team man..

-----------Amelia------------
-Coentrao-d.luiz-silva-Abate-
-Boateng---Pirlo----Lazzari--
----Sanchez----Cassano----
-----------Ibra(pato)------- Your all probably thinking how we gona fit in robinho
and pato but, pato is still young we cant rely on him
to stay not injured the whole season, and robinho
can sub on for either cassano or sanchez every odd
game it would add alot of depth to the team, and
id absolutely love sanchez at milan..

---

Fear the Devil · 11-01-2011, 08:17

Wonderful display from our forwards except for robinho who was in and out for most of the game . Pato showed some Character ... hope this goes on . Ibra class play and sacrifised himself most of the times . I hope we get a Left Back in Jan ... cause that could change our destiny to win this league. Strasser needs more playing time ... needs to position himself in the right place .... he left too much of space and Gattuso did his best not to show Strasser at fault . Overall Milan needs a Left back soon or else we are gonna have a tough time once we play aganist the big guns in the Champions League . Hope Galliani does his magic again .

GeoTav · 12-01-2011, 12:36

Despite the two goals of Pato, I thought his performance was awful and hoped he would be replaced by Cassano (I didn't think Allegri would keep all our forwards on the pitch, something he didn't do when Ronaldinho was there) ...

Why ?

He missed almost all his dribbles, didn't really help to defend, and he wasn't that good in his attempts to score (because of all the lost balls when dribbling) ... His two goals are good and quite Inzaghi-esque.

Actually, for moment, by waiting to see him at full confidence and 100% fit, I think he should play like Inzaghi: not keeping the ball and dribbling, Ibrahimovic does it 10 times better than him, just trying to be at the right place at the right moment to score thanks to the work of his partners ...

ACMILAN1983 · 12-01-2011, 12:48

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Originally Posted by GeoTav

Despite the two goals of Pato, I thought his performance was awful and hoped he would be replaced by Cassano (I didn't think Allegri would keep all our forwards on the pitch, something he didn't do when Ronaldinho was there) ...

Why ?

He missed almost all his dribbles, didn't really help to defend, and he wasn't that good in his attempts to score (because of all the lost balls when dribbling) ... His two goals are good and quite Inzaghi-esque.

Actually, for moment, by waiting to see him at full confidence and 100% fit, I think he should play like Inzaghi: not keeping the ball and dribbling, Ibrahimovic does it 10 times better than him, just trying to be at the right place at the right moment to score thanks to the work of his partners ...

Must say I'm surprised by your assessment of him. I thought he was very good. What made you think he didn't help to defend, seeing as I'm pretty sure he was our most defensive forward in the second half?

GeoTav · 12-01-2011, 13:06

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Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Must say I'm surprised by your assessment of him. I thought he was very good. What made you think he didn't help to defend, seeing as I'm pretty sure he was our most defensive forward in the second half?

I saw him only once in defence (and he was our last defender) on a counter attack if I'm not wrong, and I was very surprised at this moment to see him there ... but I didn't see him helping the team that much, and more importantly, he lost the ball almost each time he tried to dribble an opponent, which is each time dangerous for the team (when you try twice or three times and that doesn't work, there is no need to try again and again).

Siregar · 12-01-2011, 19:40

I agree with GeoTav. Pato's good of moment was only the goals. He was just extremely bad at dribbling to pass the opponent and had zero or very low number of chances since he was just so often outside of PK area to play on the wing or to dribble to pass opponent on the flank. Like has been said, he should be more as Inzaghi, a target man.

What he has done with defensive duty should be also improved IMO until the like of a striker who play as most forward defender (as the first wall the opponent have to face when they are attacking). But for this I am not disappointed since what he has done in this new year is an improvement compared to last year regarding his involvement in defending.

patos older bro · 12-01-2011, 20:16

come on give the kid a brake he's only young.i no he is no ibra but u never no in a few years.i cant understand all critisism we shud be grateful tht we have one of the worlds best tallent's and tht he's not been snaped up by braca madrid or man city or all the other rich boys.(And incase anyone hasent noticed the world's not littered with world class tallent no more)

hitmannq8 · 12-01-2011, 21:10

I agree with Siregar and Geo, I thought Pato was absolutely aweful and quite lucky in how he controlled the ball for his second goal and shot it between the defenders legs.

I dont understand why Pato is not being criticized as much as Seedorf for his mistake, because if you look at Udinese's fourth goal, Pato gave them the ball careless by being selfish instead of doing a simple move, and that counter attack resulted in a goal.... and when Seedorf did that for the third goal everyone attacked him.

I am not defending Seedorf, infact f**K Seedorf

but I'm saying Pato should not be invincible and be free to make these mistakes that we ignore. He is young yea, but that does not mean he can do whatever he wants, He must learn from his mistakes and must improve his decision making...I haven't seen him improve in a long time and has been playing the same as he has last year and the one before. You can argue that he was injured, but the experience of a player always increases and his knowledge of the game as he grows older. I have not seen any development in Pato's case in terms of skill/understanding/football. His only development has been his height and weight, and he couldn't even cope with it given all of his injuries last year.

I believe in the kid, but he is not on the right track. He was our worst attacking player against Udinese.

10-01-2011, 05:30	#91
kastriot Moderator Join Date: 08 2006 Location: Macedonia Fave Players: The one and only MALDINI	Abbiati-Amelia Nesta-Bonera Pirlo-Seedorf Flamini,Ambrosini,Boateng-Straser Zambrota-Antonini we had 5-6 first team players injured for this game. All of their replacement were either direct or indirect cause of the 4 goals conceded. In these circumstances and against highly motivated Udinese, we did well. One more thing. IBRA OMG OMG....what an amazing player he is. Pato is great,but this guy is from another dimension. He has to be up there with C.Ronaldo and Messi,just not as flashy. __________________ Adesso e piu bello vincere - Carlo Pellegati

10-01-2011, 09:43	#94
Elmago99 Registered User Join Date: 06 2010 Location: New York Fave Players: Nesta, Pippo, Ibra, Rino, Maldini, Tevez, Drogba	Watching the game again, and as bad as Bonera is, I honestly think Seedorf could be worse. What happened to Seedorf's long range shooting. He's 20 or 30 meters wide of the post with every shot. Horrible. He loses the ball in the center of the field often, he jogs around, then he claps to the fans when he leaves? Very confusing.... Enough of Bonera bashing, I think he won't be in the lineup again (I hope) However, Sanchez and Di Natale are very good players, and Di Natale's run and goal was World Class, so Bravo to him. Ibra & Cassano, sit back and enjoy!!!

10-01-2011, 13:01	#95
mzk57 Registered User Join Date: 02 2006 Location: Madak Lasht, PK Fave Players: DM10 PM3 AN13 JZ4 GB9 FL8 PN11 WS10 DV7 JDT & KJH	The only person that doesn't understand that both Seedorf & Bonera are no more ACM starting material is Allegri, who is actually the coach of the team that is leading Seria-A table by some points. Just don't know what to make of this situation. Or maybe as the Joker said "It Chaos Time" __________________ On 3-7-2010 I thought I would quit watching football, but lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll "WHY so serious?....." Let's put a SMILE on that face! " Last edited by mzk57; 10-01-2011 at 13:06.

10-01-2011, 20:11	#96
Codino Registered User Join Date: 05 2009 Location: Sydney Fave Players: Van Basten, Baggio	dude, whoever you put in at the back from the bench will have the same problem. likewise with putting youths in the midfield. it was allegri's safest option. let's just enjoy being first and have faith in the important players delivering. it could be worse... we could be Juventus. __________________ the freewheelin'

10-01-2011, 20:41	#97
#3Forever Registered User Join Date: 08 2010 Location: New Jersey, USA Fave Players: Maldini, Pirlo, Baresi,	Really dissapointed about our preformance. Poor defending but luckily we have got oodles of attacking talent to make up for it. The team wasn't coherent enough and were easily broken down. After this game Bonera and Seedorf really have to be looked at by Allegri, and he needs to make the descision if they are good enough. At this point in time I think the answer is no. I understand all the injuries, but still pretty dissapointing. Well after this, I have come to the conclusion that Robinho can't play AM, and our strongest formation should be this. ------------------------------------------------------------Abbiati------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------Abate------------------------Thiago Silva-------------------------Nesta------------------------------Antonini----------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Boetang--------------------Pirlo-----------------------Gattuso----------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Cassano-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Ibrahimovic------------------------------Pato----------------------------------- Bench: Amelia, Yepes, Oddo, Flamini, Ambrosini, Robinho, Oduamadi I have put a star next to Antonini signalling that he needs to be replaced this January. For left back, these are, for me the acceptable options. Fabio Coentrao Diego Contento Domenico Crisctio David Luiz? __________________ -Headed away by John Clarke, using his head- Last edited by #3Forever; 10-01-2011 at 20:45.*

10-01-2011, 23:41	#98
MilanMikey Registered User Join Date: 02 2010 Location: Toronto Fave Players: Rivaldo,Ronaldinho,Pirlo	ibra is a great great player.. out of those options id pick coentrao no doubt.. for fullback d.luiz as a cb.. man coentrao would be amazing.. coentrao,david luiz,sanchez,lazzari would be a dream team man.. -----------Amelia------------ -Coentrao-d.luiz-silva-Abate- -Boateng---Pirlo----Lazzari-- ----Sanchez----Cassano---- -----------Ibra(pato)------- Your all probably thinking how we gona fit in robinho and pato but, pato is still young we cant rely on him to stay not injured the whole season, and robinho can sub on for either cassano or sanchez every odd game it would add alot of depth to the team, and id absolutely love sanchez at milan.. ---

11-01-2011, 08:17	#99
Fear the Devil Registered User Join Date: 12 2010 Location: Bangalore Fave Players: Maldini,Pirlo,Riquelme,Cassano,Ibra,Gattuso	Wonderful display from our forwards except for robinho who was in and out for most of the game . Pato showed some Character ... hope this goes on . Ibra class play and sacrifised himself most of the times . I hope we get a Left Back in Jan ... cause that could change our destiny to win this league. Strasser needs more playing time ... needs to position himself in the right place .... he left too much of space and Gattuso did his best not to show Strasser at fault . Overall Milan needs a Left back soon or else we are gonna have a tough time once we play aganist the big guns in the Champions League . Hope Galliani does his magic again .

12-01-2011, 12:36	#100
GeoTav Registered User Join Date: 02 2008 Location: Dunkerque (France) Fave Players: Almost all AC Milan players	Despite the two goals of Pato, I thought his performance was awful and hoped he would be replaced by Cassano (I didn't think Allegri would keep all our forwards on the pitch, something he didn't do when Ronaldinho was there) ... Why ? He missed almost all his dribbles, didn't really help to defend, and he wasn't that good in his attempts to score (because of all the lost balls when dribbling) ... His two goals are good and quite Inzaghi-esque. Actually, for moment, by waiting to see him at full confidence and 100% fit, I think he should play like Inzaghi: not keeping the ball and dribbling, Ibrahimovic does it 10 times better than him, just trying to be at the right place at the right moment to score thanks to the work of his partners ... __________________ One should not speak ill of the dead. So we should stop bashing Juventus ... Serie A Fantasy League The topic on MM The avatar to use by MM members

12-01-2011, 19:40	#103
Siregar Registered User Join Date: 02 2007 Location: Franken Fave Players: Marco Ezio FOSSATI & Simone Andrea GANZ	I agree with GeoTav. Pato's good of moment was only the goals. He was just extremely bad at dribbling to pass the opponent and had zero or very low number of chances since he was just so often outside of PK area to play on the wing or to dribble to pass opponent on the flank. Like has been said, he should be more as Inzaghi, a target man. What he has done with defensive duty should be also improved IMO until the like of a striker who play as most forward defender (as the first wall the opponent have to face when they are attacking). But for this I am not disappointed since what he has done in this new year is an improvement compared to last year regarding his involvement in defending. __________________ ´ If Tassotti, Baresi, Costacurta and I are going to have a coffee now, we would put us in line and keeping the space unintentionally.

12-01-2011, 20:16	#104
patos older bro Registered User Join Date: 01 2011 Fave Players: ibra pato pirlo	come on give the kid a brake he's only young.i no he is no ibra but u never no in a few years.i cant understand all critisism we shud be grateful tht we have one of the worlds best tallent's and tht he's not been snaped up by braca madrid or man city or all the other rich boys.(And incase anyone hasent noticed the world's not littered with world class tallent no more)

12-01-2011, 21:10	#105
hitmannq8 Registered User Join Date: 10 2004 Location: Montreal, Kuwait Fave Players: Kaka, Nesta, Rui Costa, Pato, Robinho	I agree with Siregar and Geo, I thought Pato was absolutely aweful and quite lucky in how he controlled the ball for his second goal and shot it between the defenders legs. I dont understand why Pato is not being criticized as much as Seedorf for his mistake, because if you look at Udinese's fourth goal, Pato gave them the ball careless by being selfish instead of doing a simple move, and that counter attack resulted in a goal.... and when Seedorf did that for the third goal everyone attacked him. I am not defending Seedorf, infact f**K Seedorf but I'm saying Pato should not be invincible and be free to make these mistakes that we ignore. He is young yea, but that does not mean he can do whatever he wants, He must learn from his mistakes and must improve his decision making...I haven't seen him improve in a long time and has been playing the same as he has last year and the one before. You can argue that he was injured, but the experience of a player always increases and his knowledge of the game as he grows older. I have not seen any development in Pato's case in terms of skill/understanding/football. His only development has been his height and weight, and he couldn't even cope with it given all of his injuries last year. I believe in the kid, but he is not on the right track. He was our worst attacking player against Udinese.

kastriot

Siregar

patos older bro

Elmago99

mzk57

Codino

#3Forever

MilanMikey

Fear the Devil

GeoTav

ACMILAN1983

GeoTav

Siregar

patos older bro

hitmannq8