Winter Mercato 2011

Originally Posted by Elmago99

Can anyone brief me on why Palermo President Zamparini hates us?

From what I gathered, he was being nice to B & G by offering his best players to us in more than one occasion, but B & G mocked him....and turned out those best players actually had their best seasons right after they left Palermo.

In short, Milan can forget about anyone from Palermo unless he is on a free transfer or pay double to triple.

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Come on, a championship of reserve teams is nothing more than the Primavera players who are too old to play with the Primavera and some senior players coming from injuries ...

Actually, there are two ways to do it:
- English way, a championship between the reserve teams of Premier League
- French way, a B senior team playing in a real championship (with restrictions: if the first team is in Serie A, the B team can't play in a professional championship for example, so even if the B team wins its championship, they will stay in their division)

IMO, the best way to do it is the French way because the reserve/B teams of the Ligue 1 teams play in a real competition against teams who try to become professional and some others trying not to be sent in a lower division ... that makes a huge difference because they play against motivated players and as a consequence, they have to play seriously.

The Ligue 1 teams use the reserve team to give experience to their young players and they put the players coming back from an injury there for one or two games as it's less dangerous (the level is lower, so less risk to get a new injury by playing at 100% too soon).

In France, it's done like that:
Ligue 1 -> Ligue 2 -> Nationale -> CFA (Amateur French Championship) -> CFA 2 ...

I don't think I'm wrong there, the L1, L2 and Nationale championships are professional, CFA is the best amateur division, teams fight to go in Nationale, and the reserve teams are in CFA.

So Gabriel, if the French teams can do it, the Italian teams can do it too ... and about money, for the Serie A/B teams, it's like having a new junior team.

Geo, for starter I am not saying having a reserve team is a bad thing, I think it must be done if clubs want to build their team instead of buy and buy and buy players every season.

Point I am trying to make is that, as much as we mock or jeer these Serie A teams owners in transfer....they are all pretty brilliant people with great minds working with them but yet fail to see the thing that we see. Thus, that really must be problems and I think financial is one of them, as clubs must add at least 15 more players to their payroll, with another set of coaches, assistants, trainers and admin staff.

Now I am not saying that Ligue clubs are richer than Serie A clubs but it is just extra money that the owners need to spend. Since a lot of clubs are struggling already, that extra 4-5mil is a lot.

What I think clubs should do is increase the age limit on their youth team to 24 or 25. B/c lets face it, if you are 24 or 25 and still cannot break into first team football at the top level with any clubs(including loans), it is safe to say the player is just not good enough to play. On top of that, these youth teams should allow to play in the Coppa and play all reserve teams in all leagues.

Galliani is meeting Preziosi tomorrow for Criscito so i'm guessing that is pretty much done.

Again, i have to say that the few times i saw Criscito play, he was pretty poor, but given all the positive comments i read here, i'm gonna trust my fellow MM members and hope for the best.

On a more negative note, it seems Tottenham is going for Frey....it would be so much better to play against Gomes

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

Geo, for starter I am not saying having a reserve team is a bad thing, I think it must be done if clubs want to build their team instead of buy and buy and buy players every season.

Point I am trying to make is that, as much as we mock or jeer these Serie A teams owners in transfer....they are all pretty brilliant people with great minds working with them but yet fail to see the thing that we see. Thus, that really must be problems and I think financial is one of them, as clubs must add at least 15 more players to their payroll, with another set of coaches, assistants, trainers and admin staff.

Now I am not saying that Ligue clubs are richer than Serie A clubs but it is just extra money that the owners need to spend. Since a lot of clubs are struggling already, that extra 4-5mil is a lot.

What I think clubs should do is increase the age limit on their youth team to 24 or 25. B/c lets face it, if you are 24 or 25 and still cannot break into first team football at the top level with any clubs(including loans), it is safe to say the player is just not good enough to play. On top of that, these youth teams should allow to play in the Coppa and play all reserve teams in all leagues.

The club actually would need one more coach, that's it ... Because when you see the roster of our Primavera for example, we could easily do a second team. In the worst cases, we could have to add 4-5 young players, but what do they earn ? Something like 50K a year for the best ones, so it really wouldn't be a problem for most of the Serie A clubs.

It seems the French formation is good (the German one is the best nowadays), it's maybe thanks to this system (so, after what said Siregar, that means France and Germany use the same kind of system with B teams and their young players being used in them: is it a coincidence ?) ...

You say that 4-5M would be needed to make this kind of team, I would tell you that this is in no way the kind of budget needed to build an amateur team !! Amateur clubs don't have that money, or they have it to run the whole club, not only their first team, I really think 1M (seriously, less would be needed) a year would be in the highest budgets to run an amateur team as a B team for the Serie A clubs ... and for the clubs who don't have this money or don't want to use that kind of budget, they just don't register a B team. You musn't have a B team, you are allowed to have a B team.

Oh, and anyway, I never understood why Serie A clubs don't have a B team as when I look at the club of my city for example here in France, it's a small club, the first team is in CFA 2 (second amateur division), this club has 4 adult teams ... why Serie A clubs can't have several teams at several levels ?

GeoTav, why did you say that the German system is the best nowadays? I don't know so much about their system and I don't know what the DFB did that make their youngster seems better than others today (many clubs use young players and how many young players called up and played for German national team especially in World Cup 2010). The German federation should have done something good with their youth system but until now I still have no idea what they have done.

Originally Posted by Elmago99

Can anyone brief me on why Palermo President Zamparini hates us?

toni and amauri. galliani was cheap and hurtful.

Originally Posted by Elmago99

Wow that could complicate things....

Eheh, worse, Antonini and Criscito share their agent with ... Abate !!

Originally posted by leBRn

Again, i have to say that the few times i saw Criscito play, he was pretty poor, but given all the positive comments i read here, i'm gonna trust my fellow MM members and hope for the best.

Agree,Criscito has such medioc physical attributes;in best case,he is becoming a new tassoti.if something goes wrong,he will end up as a bonera.zapata might be a more secure investment if we want a CB-oriented full back,and I don't think it demands 18 million to aquire him.

Originally Posted by will4li

Agree,Criscito has such medioc physical attributes;in best case,he is becoming a new tassoti.if something goes wrong,he will end up as a bonera.zapata might be a more secure investment if we want a CB-oriented full back,and I don't think it demands 18 million to aquire him.

Zapata wasn't exactly Baresi against Milan. He got nutmegged i think twice (once for a goal), and I don't remember him doing anything outrageously well...

We'll see.. I think Criscito is certainly an upgrade to Antonini, but it will make things very complicated as Geo has said Abate, Antonini and Criscito share the same agent...and Criscito is not the World Class LB that we've been dreaming of... He's not going to fly up the line like Bale beating 2 guys and crossing like Cafu to Ibra..that's for sure...but he will be relatively solid defensively.

Originally Posted by Elmago99

Can anyone brief me on why Palermo President Zamparini hates us?

when luca toni was in palermo he was offered to us by zampa,but Galliani was all cocky and said he would be embarrassed to present toni to the san siro faithfuls...i think its something like this..

Originally Posted by Siregar

GeoTav, why did you say that the German system is the best nowadays? I don't know so much about their system and I don't know what the DFB did that make their youngster seems better than others today (many clubs use young players and how many young players called up and played for German national team especially in World Cup 2010). The German federation should have done something good with their youth system but until now I still have no idea what they have done.

An article i could find...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ion/index.html

shyt, inter is starting to look like the old inter again, milan needs to do something so we dont risk another udinese type game, cause i dont want to drop anymore points, and especially when we visit them and Leo later on in the season.

It's just the "new-boss" effect and maybe some of the momentum gathered after winning the CWC. I don't think it's going to last long. When they lose that 1st game, I believe they won't have the ability to bounce back. Same thing happened to us last year after the 2nd derby.

Originally Posted by shegs

It's just the "new-boss" effect and maybe some of the momentum gathered after winning the CWC. I don't think it's going to last long. When they lose that 1st game, I believe they won't have the ability to bounce back. Same thing happened to us last year after the 2nd derby.

dont think so. Inter simply got a high quality squad, they got many worldclass players and its pathetic from benitez that he got such results with that squad.

Inter is our main scudetto contender, and we have to watch out, they are really back!

RB and injury were the main factors for Inter bad form. They r just doing what they are suppose to be doing.