Winter Mercato 2011

Originally Posted by hitmannq8

The only problem with Pato is that his effort is abysmal, and his development has stopped for a while now. When we bought him at 17 we were hoping that by 2 years we would be seeing a ready world-class player...thing is, we still have the same 17 year old kid that's taller and stronger and more injury prone..... yes he scores goals, but we need more than that..... Messi and Ronaldo do have the goals, but they have so much more than just the numbers.

Pato doesn't seem interested at times to track back or put an effort, and the team members (from Ancelotti, Seedorf, Ambrosini and today Oddo) have told Pato to train harder and mature more. He doesn't seem to be taking any advice his team mates give him. His decision making is his worst aspect, he is amazingly good at doing the wrong decision, almost every time.

I agree with what you're saying and would also like to add that to get the best out of Pato I think he has to be played closer to goal. That way, the only thing he has to worry about is putting the ball in the back of the net. Seeing him try to build up play and missing 5 metre passes over and over again is quite frustrating given his immense potential.

That being said, he is very young and should be given time to develop. He has immense potential and I believe that if he fulfills it he'll become the best striker in the world.

Everyone keeps talking about how Pato is this and that on the pitch and in the dressing room, but has anyone ever considered his mentality over the past two years? The kid is like 20 now and already he's been through a host of injuries as well as a divorce. He's been touted as the next big thing and yet misses the chance to go to a World Cup, whilst kids like Neymar and Ramires got the nod ahead of him instead. Think of what that could do to ones emotional psyche.
You can all say how "as a professional" you should leave all your problems off the pitch, but lets face it, he's 20! In some countries he's barely able to smoke or drink. Do you really expect him to be able to handle that kind of baggage like a mature 30 or 40 year old? I think not.

He may be relying on his Talent a bit too much, and have all the help of Milan Lab to improve on his physical side, but I think emotionally and mentally, he may still be recovering from a lot of other crap.

Sheva touts him as his successor, I tend to agree. Sheva never really had to track back much, just to carry the line and score goals. Its just because formations have changed so drastically since the Ancellotti days that the need for everyone to track back has now been deemed a necesscity instead of a mere formality. The kid is playing catch-up, but it doesn't mean he's not improving. I have seen him track back before, its not his fault he can't push most italian defenders to the floor with his relatively lightweight physique.

First of all, Pato is currently one of the top 10strikers in the world.If you can name 10 strikers better, be my guess. What more can you want from a 21 yrs old?

Secondly, he is a striker, he does not need to track back, beside, if guys like Dinho and Seedorf don't track back, why should Pato do it.

Thirdly, Robinho and Cassano are in great forms at the moment, but they do have problems too, Robinho with his finishing and Cassano with his time bomb mentality. Thus they are not perfect and better than Pato, also, they played in a position that needs to track back.

Forthly, while nobody but Ibra could create any chances and scores against Lecce, why is Pato being singled out. and I don't see Pato being praised for scoring two goals, one extremely tough one against Udin?

Fifthly, Pippo can't pass, can't dribble and does not track back, on top of that, he always get caught offside on purpose, but he scores and we love him. While Pato is playing out of position, and learning to make better decisions with the ball, but he scores and a lot off people says thats not enough.

Lastly, he is only 21 and is already established himself as one of the top strikers in the world and the starting striker for Brazil.

Originally Posted by Ryo

Everyone keeps talking about how Pato is this and that on the pitch and in the dressing room, but has anyone ever considered his mentality over the past two years? The kid is like 20 now and already he's been through a host of injuries as well as a divorce. He's been touted as the next big thing and yet misses the chance to go to a World Cup, whilst kids like Neymar and Ramires got the nod ahead of him instead. Think of what that could do to ones emotional psyche.
You can all say how "as a professional" you should leave all your problems off the pitch, but lets face it, he's 20! In some countries he's barely able to smoke or drink. Do you really expect him to be able to handle that kind of baggage like a mature 30 or 40 year old? I think not.

He may be relying on his Talent a bit too much, and have all the help of Milan Lab to improve on his physical side, but I think emotionally and mentally, he may still be recovering from a lot of other crap.

Sheva touts him as his successor, I tend to agree. Sheva never really had to track back much, just to carry the line and score goals. Its just because formations have changed so drastically since the Ancellotti days that the need for everyone to track back has now been deemed a necesscity instead of a mere formality. The kid is playing catch-up, but it doesn't mean he's not improving. I have seen him track back before, its not his fault he can't push most italian defenders to the floor with his relatively lightweight physique.

I was going to post along similar lines. Last year he was the center of all attention the hero and what not.This year suddenly he's on bench with the arrival of Ib-Ca-Ro. That must be enough to jolt the psyche of a 20 year old. And it seems he's not taking it too well. What with the on the field frustrations and oddo giving him advice..

I firmly believe that the problem is mental than technical/physical.... Allegri should be the guy addressing this situation but somehow he doesn't seem like that kind of a guy.He's just a guy blessed with a very harmonious dressing room. But then again it's not like i drink with him every evening and know him in and out...

Give Pato re-assurance, making him realise what a great learning chance this is.Ibra/Cassano wont last forever... Pato has another good ten years for Milan...it will really be a pity if pato couldn't learn anything from Ibrahimovic/Cassano.....

Off late does pato seem arrogant to anybody else ? Or is it just having a bad hair day ?

Originally Posted by Elmago99

Real Madrid just signed Ruud van Nistelrooy from Hamburg for €2 Million.



Didn't they kick him out of the team? He's a good (Inzaghi type) player, and I bet he scores some important goals for them off the bench....

Now seriously, its the best time to get our legendary Jon Dahl Tomasson back. He is available for free this season. What ever Real can do, AC Milan could (potentially) do better. Good bye Inzaghi, welcome Tomasson!

Apparently we've signed Emanuelson from Ajax, according to Dutch media.
Oh dear..

Originally Posted by ThrusT

Apparently we've signed Emanuelson from Ajax, according to Dutch media.
Oh dear..

we just should list average left fullback whose contract is expired this summer. one of them would be signed by milan.

According to the newspaper De Telegraaf Emanuelson is already a Milan player

The Rossoneri have reached an agreement with the player, which should arrive in Milan in June.
Ariedo Braida, however, is in the Netherlands to deal with the immediate transfer of a player maybe paying a small fee

Urby Emanuelson from Wikipedia

When Marco van Basten took over as club coach in 2008–09, Emanuelson began on the left back position. But later, after numerous of disappointing matches and bad defending, Emanuelson was placed as left midfielder or left winger, letting him focus more on attacking play than defensive. Now, Emanuelson primarily plays as a left midfielder because of his weak defending abilities. He has since flourished in his new role on the left wing, frequently making runs and assisting from the flanks while scoring goals himself.

Emanuelson really never a fan of his tbh

Originally Posted by Vulli

Urby Emanuelson from Wikipedia

When Marco van Basten took over as club coach in 2008–09, Emanuelson began on the left back position. But later, after numerous of disappointing matches and bad defending, Emanuelson was placed as left midfielder or left winger, letting him focus more on attacking play than defensive. Now, Emanuelson primarily plays as a left midfielder because of his weak defending abilities. He has since flourished in his new role on the left wing, frequently making runs and assisting from the flanks while scoring goals himself.

Seriously, you're quoting wikipedia!

He's a decent young player that could have a big futre if we are lucky. Exactly the same problems as Coentrao, not a natural defender so any mistake will be highlighted. There is a real lack of genuinely good fullbacks. So Urby is worth a shot as much as Ziegler.

Originally Posted by Gabriel489

First of all, Pato is currently one of the top 10strikers in the world.If you can name 10 strikers better, be my guess. What more can you want from a 21 yrs old?

Secondly, he is a striker, he does not need to track back, beside, if guys like Dinho and Seedorf don't track back, why should Pato do it.

Thirdly, Robinho and Cassano are in great forms at the moment, but they do have problems too, Robinho with his finishing and Cassano with his time bomb mentality. Thus they are not perfect and better than Pato, also, they played in a position that needs to track back.

Forthly, while nobody but Ibra could create any chances and scores against Lecce, why is Pato being singled out. and I don't see Pato being praised for scoring two goals, one extremely tough one against Udin?

Fifthly, Pippo can't pass, can't dribble and does not track back, on top of that, he always get caught offside on purpose, but he scores and we love him. While Pato is playing out of position, and learning to make better decisions with the ball, but he scores and a lot off people says thats not enough.

Lastly, he is only 21 and is already established himself as one of the top strikers in the world and the starting striker for Brazil.

Agree with everything! Pato is definitely not a liability, he's one of the reasons we are were we are - top of the league. Wouldn't trade him for anyone. It's so unfair to criticise Pato just because we want him to be as good as Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo are right now.

Emanuelson... Another cheap average solution that will contribute as much as Yepes, Oddo, Papa, Onyewu?

I see he's described as a starlet which should suggest he's a young potential star. He's 24, he really should be more than just a talent? Hopefully he can convince us if he was to arrive...

If Emanuelson is in Milan to play as Left mid or left wing, like Serginho, then fine. If he is in Milan to play as a LB, then Milan's scouts are pure crap.

Originally Posted by Arildonardo

Emanuelson... Another cheap average solution that will contribute as much as Yepes, Oddo, Papa, Onyewu?

I see he's described as a starlet which should suggest he's a young potential star. He's 24, he really should be more than just a talent? Hopefully he can convince us if he was to arrive...

Yeah, I agree.

We have already decent backups for fullback positions: Zambrotta, Antonini, Oddo and Bonera. So we need a first team fullback, not AGAIN a backup fullback!