Gourcuff-Ancelotti

That's one reason why I was against Emerson coming here in the first place. If they want to groom someone new (in this case, Gour), it doesn't make sense to bring in a crusty veteran for a quick fix.

Originally Posted by BMWTaylor

That's one reason why I was against Emerson coming here in the first place. If they want to groom someone new (in this case, Gour), it doesn't make sense to bring in a crusty veteran for a quick fix.

and it was wrong because they told gorcuff he would get more playing time....of course where have we heard that one b4 from the mangament if i was him i would leave milan...i mean realy he is getting treated like crap..

Would someone mind correcting the spelling of "Gourcuff" in the thread title? TYVM.

I think Gourcuff is meant to cover Pirlo in Carlo's mind which makes it very dificult for the guy as Pirlo is the brain of the team and rarely off field

As I watch him he resembles very much of him with his style of play as for AM positions he is not explosive enough, slows the pace but his tecnique is high also the passing so he is definitely good for creative DMF position

Carlo has done a perfect job with Gourcuff. He has given him a chance, he blew it, and now he is not playing.

Originally Posted by Rico

Carlo has done a perfect job with Gourcuff. He has given him a chance, he blew it, and now he is not playing.

ROFL yes of course Gourcuff has got plenty of chances, especially this season right?

At Arsenal we like youngsters, how you guys like olders. So do us a favour and give him to us, please. He rejected Arsenal to move to Milan, so I hope he has realised his mistake. Also what is Ancelotti's current stance on him, I read an article a while back stating all the players that were going to be let go(Favalli, Cafu and co.), I also saw Gourcuffs name at the end but no too sure about the credibility though.

with gallas and rosicky in return?

Originally Posted by kawiki

with gallas and rosicky in return?

I would give you Rosicky in a heart beat, but not el capitan. I am surprised many Milanista's regard Gallas as the better defender at Arsenal, because Toure is better than him. I guess he doesn't have as big a reputation as Gallas.

Originally Posted by outlaw_member

At Arsenal we like youngsters, how you guys like olders. So do us a favour and give him to us, please. He rejected Arsenal to move to Milan, so I hope he has realised his mistake. Also what is Ancelotti's current stance on him, I read an article a while back stating all the players that were going to be let go(Favalli, Cafu and co.), I also saw Gourcuffs name at the end but no too sure about the credibility though.

I dont think thats a mistake. Arsenal each year sign too many promising players, but only a few could play for the first team. I heard that french media even blame Wenger for destroying many youngsters.

Do you Arsenal fans really need a quite slow player with maybe potential but now only above average skills like him, or just join a psychological attack of Arsene Wenger.

Gourcuff is the only youngster came after Calciopoli, so everyone watched him, expected something from him. What he need is confidence and the experience with Milan way of play, which is extremly difficult because Pirlo, Seedorf and Kaka are unique players. This and last season Milan has problem with scoring and getting points, so we must field the best formation each match, newcomer like him could not have good chances.

He still has future with Milan, but if Arsenal wants him that much, take him . However, I doubt that.

Originally Posted by Aficio

I dont think thats a mistake. Arsenal each year sign too much promising players, but only a few could play for the first team. I heard that french media even blame Wenger for destroying many youngsters.

Do you Arsenal fans really need a quite slow player with maybe potential but now only above average skills like him, or just join a psychological attack of Arsene Wenger.

Gourcuff is the only youngster came after Calciopoli, so everyone watched him, expected something from him. What he need is confidence and the experience with Milan way of play, which is extremly difficult because Pirlo, Seedorf and Kaka are unique players. This and last season Milan has problem with scoring and getting points, so we must field the best formation each match, newcomer like him could not have good chances.

He still have future with Milan, but if Arsenal wants him that much, take him. However, I doubt that.

I say it's a mistake because he would have had a far quicker impact for us than for Milan. Whether it would be greater, that we don't know, but he certainly would have had more appearances.

I hear he is very slow but if he has a brain which thinks 5 seconds before everyone else than there should'nt be that much of a problem.

Your right having too many youngsters means many won't make it, however Gourcuff would be a slightly older player for us(yes even at 21) but if he is good enough than he would rise to the top.

In saying all that, how slow is he? As he would be played on the LAM or RAM for Arsenal, which needs decent pace at least.

Also where did you read about the french media? Not that I don't believe you, I'd like to see what they said.

Yeah, in France, medias are contrasted on Wenger: everybody knows he allowed to some young and good players to become very good players (Flamini was nothing in Marseille before going to Arsenal), but he also buys the guys too young sometimes, which is bad for the clubs that have no protection (they sign pre-contracts for example).

Same problem with Liverpool (principally when it was Houiller, now the same problem must probably appear in Spain with Benitez) ...

Originally Posted by outlaw_member

I say it's a mistake because he would have had a far quicker impact for us than for Milan. Whether it would be greater, that we don't know, but he certainly would have had more appearances.

I hear he is very slow but if he has a brain which thinks 5 seconds before everyone else than there should'nt be that much of a problem.

Your right having too many youngsters means many won't make it, however Gourcuff would be a slightly older player for us(yes even at 21) but if he is good enough than he would rise to the top.

In saying all that, how slow is he? As he would be played on the LAM or RAM for Arsenal, which needs decent pace at least.

Also where did you read about the french media? Not that I don't believe you, I'd like to see what they said.

About the media, I heard that long time ago, so please dont be angry at me if I cant prove that now. However, one of the contents said that Wenger use his vast knowledge of french football to steal many kids, and if they stayed, they could have steady improvement rather than unknowable future.

Of course, I dont support that saying. This is what people call football world. And Wenger has done his best for them, than any other managers.

What I want to say is the decicison of him joining Milan instead of Arsenal could not be counted as a mistake so easy. And what Wenger said that he ever wanted him annoy me a bit. I respect him, but he ever wanted almost all young players in the world. His list include even Rooney, C.Ronaldo, Torres, Pato,... If that list contain Gourcuff, who could be suprised. However the time he said that was when he know the next opponent is Milan, the Champion of Europe, World Champion and the Champion of Old Men , make me think of a normal argurment with Ferguson before than his need for a player like Gourcuff. The difference is that Carlo did not talk back.

If Gourcuff came in Milan one year earlier, when we still had Sheva, Rui Costa, Stam and was contender for both Serie A and CL. I think there is no problem. He is just young, he play or not doesn't matter, what he need is to gain experience.

However, he came in with so much attention (young, new Zidane) and expectation (Rui leaved), when Milan was weakened. We need him, but cant field him because we need points. This season is not different. He cost us just about 2M, if Arsenal buy 5, 6 players like him (you do that every season, right), no one could question.

Even the young blood Arsenal had hard time with youngster. Last season, Mu and Chelski were so strong, and you had injured Henry. The expectation was not high, so you could use many young players and Fabregas shined. However, when PL was just a battle of you and MU, what is. Almost matches had Henry, Viera, Cambell, Lungberg (sorry), Pires,... even the mighty Viera was overloaded, so how could you field youngster. Milan is like that, now (though we just fight for 4th, but both team need every point). But our Gourcuff has the attention, that is the difference.

I know that PL, specially Arsenal could help players improve his speed. However, if he really can think faster 5s than others, there no place better than Milan and Serie A, where that "chessmaster" ability is always needed for taticaly play.

Discusion about future should not last long. What I want to say is Gourcuff was just unlucky, not "mistake" like you've said.

If he could then move to Arsenal and become world class player, like Viera before, I will congrat him, just that. We did not regret much about Viera back then and Gourcuff's case, too. They were with us in hard time (Milan was in crisis). They are just "unlucky" more than "mistake".

At last, it is still early to talk about transfer. Lets wait for the imcoming match instead. Then watch Gourcuff untill the end of this season.

Fair enough, mistake was probably the wrong word. What do you think is the current stance of Ancelotti on Gourcuff?

Also could you possibly explain this part a bit more
"However the time he said that was when he know the next opponent is Milan, the Champion of Europe, World Champion and the Champion of Old Men , make me think of a normal argurment with Ferguson before than his need for a player like Gourcuff. The difference is that Carlo did not talk back."

I assume English is not your first language, so sorry if it's any inconvenience.

Originally Posted by outlaw_member

At Arsenal we like youngsters, how you guys like olders. So do us a favour and give him to us, please. He rejected Arsenal to move to Milan, so I hope he has realised his mistake. Also what is Ancelotti's current stance on him, I read an article a while back stating all the players that were going to be let go(Favalli, Cafu and co.), I also saw Gourcuffs name at the end but no too sure about the credibility though.

I would swap him with Sagna.