Milan - Juventus (10/05/09)

Originally Posted by soibui

Let's put this Dida issue to bed, the guy is a joke and the sooner he retires the better. Anyone who brings shame to the Milan jersey doesn't deserve to wear it.

Don't tell us that we should drop the subject and then post a purely idiotic statement like that. It only makes you look stupid.

Originally Posted by GeoTav

You didn't get my point actually ...
If we can say "Dida doesn't deserve his wage for X reason", why couldn't we say "Nesta doesn't deserve his wage for X reason" too ?

I think you didn't understand what I wrote. I already explained why. Those are the reasons (see post above).

Originally Posted by GeoTav

I'm not a fan at all of Dida, but it's boring to see on each topic a player of the team used as a target being bashed (Dida here, Ancelotti there, Kaladze then, or Seedorf, or R80, each page on the forum has at least one post with a player from our own team bashed).

Well, a good performance deserves an applause, why a bad performance can't get a critic? But again there are different type of critic : polite, rude, very rude one, etc.

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Then, you said, we can sell him: no, if Dida wants to stay, you can accept any deal with any club, if he doesn't sign the contract in this other club, he will stay.

You have to know that I wrote we CAN. It doesn't mean that Dida must accept but it's only a possibility for us that we CAN sell him. I don't see why a player wants to stay in a club if the club put him on a the transfer list. But again we don't do that (put him on the transfer list).

Originally Posted by GeoTav

What is seen like a good thing for Kaka' (loyalty towards the club) is seen like a bad thing for Dida (wants to be paid). One situation, two explanations depending on the player ...

That's a very different story. Someone who shows great performances and one of the most important player for the club is very welcomed to be loyal but a player who can only offer very bad play with huge wage is logically not welcomed to be in a club for a long of time except he can offer same thing like Kaka does : quality (which Dida yet starts to show again).

I am 100% sure if Dida did like Kaka did in the last 3-5 years with Milan (to be so important with Milan and had only some bad games) and Kaka did the same thing like Dida did in the last two years especially like last year, people will act the same (love Dida and bash Kaka). It's not about the name of the player but the quality (of performance) of a player can offer.

Huge wage is because of good-great performances, without them (the good-great performances) the player will be target to be criticised (if the player has got huge wage).

Originally Posted by Siregar

Well, a good performance deserves an applause, why a bad performance can't get a critic? But again there are different type of critic : polite, rude, very rude one, etc.

Did I say we can't criticize ? I criticize too ... but not in each post I write nor on each topic !!

Originally Posted by Siregar

You have to know that I wrote we CAN. It doesn't mean that Dida must accept but it's only a possibility for us that we CAN sell him. I don't see why a player wants to stay in a club if the club put him on a the transfer list. But again we don't do that (put him on the transfer list).

Again, let's take the example of Kaka so ... if we keep the official story, the club accepted to sell him !! So, why did he stay ? Accepting a deal is even a higher step than putting the player on the transfer list !!

For Kaka', it shows loyalty, for Dida, that means he's only there for money ... that's the point, one situation, two different interpretations depending on the player.

Originally Posted by Siregar

That's a very different story. Someone who shows great performances and one of the most important player for the club is very welcomed to be loyal but a player who can only offer very bad play with huge wage is logically not welcomed to be in a club for a long of time except he can offer same thing like Kaka does : quality (which Dida yet starts to show again).

I just showed above it's not a totally different story ... and you contradict (??) yourself at the end of this part.

Originally Posted by Siregar

I am 100% sure if Dida did like Kaka did in the last 3-5 years with Milan (to be so important with Milan and had only some bad games) and Kaka did the same thing like Dida did in the last two years especially like last year, people will act the same (love Dida and bash Kaka). It's not about the name of the player but the quality (of performance) of a player can offer.

I'm 200% sure you're wrong there ... we are all, without any exception, more or less biased in our comments because we have some favourite players.
The proof ? Kaka' is probably one of the favourite players from most of the people here (including myself), he did play horribly last season and until some weeks ago, but still, nobody bashed him.

Originally Posted by GeoTav

For Kaka', it shows loyalty, for Dida, that means he's only there for money ... that's the point, one situation, two different interpretations depending on the player.

You're saying that you believe Dida is loyal to Milan only because of the money?

Originally Posted by Blacktop

You're saying that you believe Dida is loyal to Milan only because of the money?

Exactly the contrary* ...
I say that when Kaka' says he wants to stay whereas a deal seemed to be accepted to sell him, people here say it is loyalty ... when Dida stays (we don't know if there was any deal accepted to sell him), people here say it's for money ...

* I try to explain why it's not really fair to say some things about Dida's wages. Then, we don't know what is the reason why Kaka' or Dida stay/stayed if there was any offer accepted by the club.


Kaka' seems to be ok for this week end (Calciomercato).

Originally Posted by Blacktop

Don't tell us that we should drop the subject and then post a purely idiotic statement like that. It only makes you look stupid.

How does that make me look stupid, in case you've lost your memory, Dida is the one who looks stupid with his antics in Glasgow, not me

Did I forget to mention Leeds too?

You guys are going way off the topic

Alright, back to topic. HEard Dida got injured again (what is it now, standing too long in goal??), who's going to be our keeper for the Juve game, Kalac?? Oh god.

Originally Posted by GeoTav

Exactly the contrary* ...
I say that when Kaka' says he wants to stay whereas a deal seemed to be accepted to sell him, people here say it is loyalty ... when Dida stays, people here say it's for money ...

* I try to explain why it's not really fair to say some things about Dida's wages. Then, we don't know what is the reason why Kaka' or Dida stay/stayed if there was any offer accepted by the club.

OK. In that case, you must be reading my mind, because I've felt the same way. I just didn't get the gist of what you were saying before.

we don't know if there was any deal accepted to sell him

If you're talking about Dida, there really haven't been any accepted deals to sell him that later fell through. Just before he signed his extension two years ago, there were rampant rumors of him being sold to Barcelona, which turned out to be BS.

Originally Posted by rt9

Dida got injured again (what is it now, standing too long in goal??)

Nice.

17:20 08.05 Milan
Recuperati Dida e Kakà

Here are some good news. Both Dida and Kaka sre OK and will face Juve on sunday evening...

i want revenge for that painfull defeat in turin!!!!
hope we will crush them!!!!

Originally Posted by gregapenny

17:20 08.05 Milan
Recuperati Dida e Kakà

Here are some good news. Both Dida and Kaka sre OK and will face Juve on sunday evening...

Thanks.

We'll kill Juve

Forza Milan !!!!! Batte La Vecchia Putana Di Torino !!! Juveee Merdaaaaa !!!!! Chi Non Salta Juventino E' E'

Ha ha, I dont know if Dida and Kalac being fit is necessarily good news to us, both can be pretty disastrous on their day. Come to think of it, since we're already paying Dida, maybe Carlo could try him out as our targetman/lone striker---he certainly has the physique

Alright, I htink there is enough cheap shot at Dida / Kalac. It's better to stick to the topic.