Banter 2009/2010

Originally Posted by GeoTav

You know what worries me the most now ? Not that Leo leaves but what said Galliani and hoped I would never read ("there is no rush to get a new coach" => and how will you know what to do on the market if you don't try to quickly get the new coach ?) ...

When was the last time the coach of this team actually get a say in what they do in the market? The Milan mercato has been run by Berlusconi and GAlliani for years and whoever the new coach is will not change that.

If it was Galli's bet, then it was a good one. Like it was Galli's bet on Cissoko, Gourcuff, and others.

I wonder who will be the next coach. I don't remember if Leonardo was announced as Milan's new manager right after Carlo, or was it a little time later? I think it was pretty soon after, which makes this time different.

I can't think of a particular manager at the WC that I would want. Lippi, maybe, but, I can't think of anyone else. Lippi would also want money at his disposal, and that doesn't seem to go with our current reality.

I also don't get why people want Ronaldinho to be sold. He has been the most creative player in Serie A, why would we want to sell him? Also, the President of Emirates in Italy said that if Milan sold Ronaldinho, they would have to buy a player of similar quality, i.e. marketing ability. I don't think that would be possible, as A) Ronaldinho is one of the most marketable players in the world and B) It doesn't look like we're going to be able to spend money on a marketable player, even if we did sell Dinho.

Originally Posted by Samaldinho

I am very sad to see Leonardo leave. I think he had great potential as a manger, and its a shame that we won't see him as Milan's manager, as I really think he could have become a successful manager here at Milan.

The problem at Milan is Berlusconi. It's very simple, he is the Prime Minister of a country with a bad economy, if he spends 30+ million it will look terrible and he'll come under even more pressure and he'll lose the Premiership. It's very simple, stop making it sound like its some grand conspiracy from Galli and Berlu to destroy this club. If they wanted to do that, why didn't they earlier? It's simple, Berlu can't spend money because of his position. Simple.

However, even if Berlu didn't want to spend money, why did Leonardo have to go? I wish Leonardo stayed, and just had more control over what little money would be at his disposal. That's where people confuse Galliani's job. It's not like Galli gives the transfer targets for the manager, Galliani simply gets the players he's capable of by finding what the owner and manager agree upon.

The theories that Milan is waiting for 2011 to get rid of all these contracts and then renew, is a fantastic theory. The only way that theory might seem more logical is to see what gets done this summer. It also will matter to see who becomes our manager this summer, but more importantly, what is our transfer season going to look like. If the players whose contract ends this year, leave (Dida, Inzaghi, etc) then I think we are actually looking at a genuine transition.

However, if Tassotti comes in, and we simply renew those players, and don't even attempt to buy anyone new, then I think we're looking at the management simply hoping for some sort of miracle, and that they've officially lost their minds.

This mercato will give us answers, real one's, not some random plot from our management to destroy Milan.

All due respect, Samaldinho, but that theory is not exactly convincing. Sure, Berlusconi would probably not look very good spending millions while being the PM of a country with poor economy. But, our low spending policy started before Berlusconi got elected to office or the world economy collapsed. Berlusconi was relected by 2008, and the world economy collapsed not too long after that. Our low spending transfer policy, however, started a bit earlier than that. Anyone still remember what we did with the money we got from the Shevchenko sale in 2006? Yeah, we pocketed it. If I remembered correctly, we weren't exactly pouring in millions the year before that either. It would seem to me that Berlusconi decided to stop spending money on Milan before he was reelected into the office or the world economy collapsed.

On the other hand, I don't know how valid the claim of Italian people will stop supporting Berlusconi if they see him spend money on Milan. Milan, in a way, is a company. And companies have expenses. Spending money in the transfer market is part of those expenses that occurs in a soccer team. Would a lot of people really be that upset if Berlusconi put some money in milan to make sure it operates sufficiently? I kind of doubt that. Sure, it would look bad if Berlusconi piss away 1,000,000,000 euros every year on Milan just for fun. But reasonable spending on the team is more than understandable for the people.

To me, this management has already proven to lost their minds. Why else would we sign the players that we sign and keep playing musical chairs with our coaching position? But if you need more convincing, then I guess you will get your answers by the end of the summer.

My guess is that as long as Leo wished to stay on, he could. It would be financially the best for B&G; yet Leo may seem to be a puppet, he is not; he doesn't want to be one. He is humble but he is not weak.

I just hope that Leo could go back to be the scout for Milan, though a few months earlier he stated that it would not happen like that.

i hope we shoot after marcelo lippi, it's too bad to see leo gone and he did what he could but the cold fact is we're not loosing capello,sir alex, or even vicente del bosque, it's bad that we're loosing a great scout leonardo but that's the fact guy's a scout, we're ac milan and we're a club that's larger than life, now get ready the media is going to write a infinite amount of stories why we'll be in serie c next year (sarcastic)

Originally Posted by slifersd

When was the last time the coach of this team actually get a say in what they do in the market? The Milan mercato has been run by Berlusconi and GAlliani for years and whoever the new coach is will not change that.

The coaches in Milan may not directly give names of players they want to B&G but they at least say what kind of player they want regarding the kind of tactics they're going to use ...

During the Ancelotti years, Milan never bought any winger (you could say that we bought Ronaldinho, but he didn't come to play as a winger).
Suddenly, Leonardo is at the head of the team, he plays a 4-3-3 formation, and look at the kind of player Galliani brought to Milan ?! Mancini, a winger ...

So, it's very important to quickly choose a coach as that will give more time to this coach to know what he needs and then tell it to Galliani who will have to make some moves on the market and negotiate (more time they will waste to choose this coach, less time they will have to give him what he needs to do what he has in mind with the team).

I have a feeling ManU and Milan will make a swap of Borri for Berba.

Honestly, I would actually think it is a good deal. Say all you want about Berba, he might not score goals but he is good at setting them up. Thus, if Hunter or Pato or Polashi is playing along side him, they will score a lot. Beside, he would fit right in with the others non running players in Milan-Slowdorf, Dinho and Pirlo. We can call them the WALKING FANTASTIC FOUR

the best exchange deal is the one that will include huntelaar - Diego.
diego is the kind of player we need, he is brilliant and would fit perfectly at seedorfs place.

but since we all know how the management think, i guess we are looking for trezeget, camoransi, grosso, canavaro, berbatov kind of player
a camponi, a reject and offcourse an old expensive one

i would like ranieri at milan, he brought in good talents for juve and did alot better then the coach they have now.. with a club like milan we just need a strong attitude and a coach with a brain someone who will speak up to fester and berlusconi when they need to.. a problem i noticed with milan is the bond between our elderly players and galli and berlusconi.. they keep the likes of pirlo gattuso etc.. at the club and pay them wages they really dont deserve just to sit on the bench so at every meeting or practice they can have a glass of wine and talk about how there all "champions" i can just see it favalli telling galiani how he cant run anymore so he should pay him double to stay at milan.. honeslty r mgnmnt needs big changes fasttt

Originally Posted by Lebanese

the best exchange deal is the one that will include huntelaar - Diego.
diego is the kind of player we need, he is brilliant and would fit perfectly at seedorfs place.

but since we all know how the management think, i guess we are looking for trezeget, camoransi, grosso, canavaro, berbatov kind of player
a camponi, a reject and offcourse an old expensive one

i agree ,, they have this obsession with FORMER big names,, they need to get in with the upcoming and buy some! our only good transfer so far was that of pato, and i wouldnt be suprised if next year hes playing in defense with silva that is if we still have either one of them by next year, never no maybe juve wil come along and offer trezeguet nd nedved theyll think its a bargain.. and if milan needs the moeny so bad sell dida favalli gattuso pirlo flamini zambrotta thatl bring in a good 30m+ we could easily spent that on diego and hernanes takes care of the midfield, then pull out another 30m and get a good winger and striker we could easily get berba as a back up and an alves type player ..

Originally Posted by GeoTav

From what Leo said, it looks like he never enjoyed his new role, he doesn't like being a coach and what is weird is the "I never felt as being the coach of Milan" part. That really shows that it was a bet by Galliani to use Leo there, and Galliani partially lost it (as we can't say Leo did a bad job, but keeping a coach only for one year is a failure, no matter the results).

Now, Galliani, instead of saying there is plenty of time to get the new coach, should do his work with Berlusconi to make a list of potential coaches with a hierarchy and start the first negotiations !!

PS: He said that there was a lot of time before the 20th of July ... which means that they want one of the coaches who will be in South Africa ??

I think we will almost certainly see Galli-Tassotti coaching Milan next season. Galliani's hinted at Galli praising him of late and also I think the management always had options in mind were Leo to leave.

I also trust the management in their choice of coach, as they have a fantastic track record. Sacchi, Capello, Ancelotti, Leo and even Zac were all successful picks from the management. The only real flop I can remember was Tabarez back in the mid 90s and to a lesser extent Terim (although he is a very good coach and not necessarily a bad choice).

All I really hope is that the next coach will try and build a team that's structurally very well organized and hard working. I read an interesting article on Guardian of late which mentioned how Sacchi once in training told pretty much our first team (except for the defence) to play a training match against Giovanni Galli, Tassotti, Costacurta, Baresi and Maldini. The rules were that if the attacking team were to lose possession or the ball to go dead (out of play) against the 5 men, they would have to restart 10 yards in their own half. Never did the team score against the 5 players.

Sacchi's reasoning was to show how important a well organized team is to success. In the modern game I would also argue it's necessary for the whole team to work in defence, but the concept still holds very true today.

Nilmar, our new target ?
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan...dnotizia=24800

It would be something great to have an attack with Nilmar, Pato, Borriello and Huntelaar ... but only if we don't play with the same tactics as this year !!

Hmm Nilmaar would be great and G.Rossi would be even better. But i want Boriello and Ronaldinho out. Thanks to both of them for having good seasons, but if ACM wants to move forward, then both should be sold to Man Utd and Man City respectively. Or maybe if Ronaldinho can be our new Pirlo .... ???

........Pato....Huntelaar.....Rossi.......
.....................Pirlo.......................

This would be some attack

Originally Posted by mzk57

Hmm Nilmaar would be great and G.Rossi would be even better. But i want Boriello and Ronaldinho out. Thanks to both of them for having good seasons, but if ACM wants to move forward, then both should be sold to Man Utd and Man City respectively. Or maybe if Ronaldinho can be our new Pirlo .... ???

........Pato....Huntelaar.....Rossi.......
.....................Pirlo.......................

This would be some attack

I completely ... disagree: Ronaldinho can't be our "new Pirlo", because Pirlo actually moves on the pitch, a lot more than Ronaldinho. And Borriello should stay if we plan to play with two strikers (Huntelaar too actually).

Luis Fabiano saying he's going to leave almost for sure Sevilla this summer as his contract ends in 2011:
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan...dnotizia=24799

Simplicio thanking his club and "saying goodbye" (and I ready somewhere else that he said he would stay in Italy):
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan...dnotizia=24796

Mancini should be bought (because of an agreement) and sold immediately:
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan...d&idtmw=207284

Aogo closer and closer from Milan:
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan...dnotizia=24793

And for fun, Mihajlovic saying he will never coach Milan or Palermo: don't worry, you're an Interista, no Milan fan ever wanted you as our coach !!
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan...dnotizia=24790

The way this team is going we need "Opposite of fantasy thread", like:

Borri - RvN
.....Rino.....