Ancelotti must go......

Originally Posted by MATNAT

so just because someone doesn`t agree with YOUR point of view your dismissing them as people with not stable ideas?

what makes you such an expert on there opinion?

and if not these people on the boards then theres the italian journalists (like i quoted in this thread), whose opinion i think you`d respect, there all asking the same questions and saying the same thing. just read la gazetta or la stampa etc...

this is not something dreamt up over night, but merely an accumulation of events that have just so happen to bear fruition after the champions league final.

the fact is all ancelottis achievements and failures are there for all to see...

if he was such a good coach we wouldn`t be having this conversation.. the reason why i joined this forum was because i needed to air my views to other people to see what they think.

ive spoken to people on bbc website etc.. and they ask the same questions of why milan are so mentally unstable?
why ancelotti doesn`t rotate the squad etc... i feel you need to see eveyone elses opinions of those not associated with milan and you`ll see that there asking the same questions too....

Matnat, welcome to the discussions! I've observed that it often takes something like this to bring people in here. Ignore those people who have nothing better to do than criticize those whose opinions diverge from their own. It's not worth it. The fair minded and respectful members of this forum far outnumber the small minded ones.

People seem to have forgotten what Milan were like just before Ancelotti came in. You would have been overjoyed to even qualify for the CL.

If you mini-Morattis want to fire Ancelotti, I want to know who you'll put in his place.

Originally Posted by Ruffian

People seem to have forgotten what Milan were like just before Ancelotti came in. You would have been overjoyed to even qualify for the CL.

If you mini-Morattis want to fire Ancelotti, I want to know who you'll put in his place.

Why does some many people on this forum bring Inter into this discussions? Inter are not our strongest rivals, Juventus are, how they do things isn't how we do things. Capello was fired for less in his first spell in charge. As far as Berlusconi is concerned if we don't win the European cup the season is a failure, that is why there are question marks over Ancelotti. Scolari is the obvious replacement.

Originally Posted by Ruffian

People seem to have forgotten what Milan were like just before Ancelotti came in. You would have been overjoyed to even qualify for the CL.

If you mini-Morattis want to fire Ancelotti, I want to know who you'll put in his place.

Why the pessimism? Do you really think that Carlo is the only manager that can achieve results from our squad? Please. It wasn't before Ancelotti came in, it was before Nesta, Pirlo, Seedorf, Cafu, Rui and Kaka and others came in, not Ancelotti. The quality of our players has something to do with it.

Originally Posted by sf_esq

Why the pessimism? Do you really think that Carlo is the only manager that can achieve results from our squad? Please. It wasn't before Ancelotti came in, it was before Nesta, Pirlo, Seedorf, Cafu, Rui and Kaka and others came in, not Ancelotti. The quality of our players has something to do with it.

It did seem that way after Cappello left. Sometimes you need an understated coach at a club of super stars, no one rates Del Bosque but has Real Madrid had a more succesful manager since?

And could those who are nostalgic for the Capello era remind me of how many CL/European Cup titles he holds.

Originally Posted by sf_esq

Matnat, welcome to the discussions! I've observed that it often takes something like this to bring people in here. Ignore those people who have nothing better to do than criticize those whose opinions diverge from their own. It's not worth it. The fair minded and respectful members of this forum far outnumber the small minded ones.

i want to hear more opinions from others...

i`d like to know from TRINIMAN what he thinks especially as he told me this...

"and trust me as far as my smart "arse" answer goes....that was just a broad attack...i have not even begun to tear apart your comments...i could take an entire day doing that and destroying almost every word you said...but i have better things to do with my time that to come here and argue with someone here who's lifespan here in MM will probably be shorter than that of a mosquito"

how are you right and i`m wrong? im just intrigued to know.....

Originally Posted by MATNAT

i want to hear more opinions from others...

i`d like to know from TRINIMAN what he thinks especially as he told me this...

"and trust me as far as my smart "arse" answer goes....that was just a broad attack...i have not even begun to tear apart your comments...i could take an entire day doing that and destroying almost every word you said...but i have better things to do with my time that to come here and argue with someone here who's lifespan here in MM will probably be shorter than that of a mosquito"

how are you right and i`m wrong? im just intrigued to know.....

I can't answer for others, but what message board doesn't have strong personalities?

Originally Posted by Ruffian

If you mini-Morattis want to fire Ancelotti, I want to know who you'll put in his place.

Mini Morattis, thats the funniest thing iv read in a long time

If you think about it there are only two managers better than Ancelotti right now, Benitez and Mourinhio. Please dont talk about Capello (Who said he wont ever go back to milan anyway) Benitez isnt suited to our players. Hes way to defensive. Mourinhio, honestly there isnt a club owner in the world who wouldnt have him. If anyone can make this Milan team stop bottling it its him. But it doesnt look likely hes coming any time soon so the best man is still Ancelotti and hopefully if he can prove all his doubters wrong once again then we still have a coach in training.

Originally Posted by Ruffian

And could those who are nostalgic for the Capello era remind me of how many CL/European Cup titles he holds.

capello has one european cup like ancelotti .
however the difference is the fact that capellos milan teams had an "air" of invincibility.

agaisnt marseille in 92/93 we were unlucky, against ajax 95/96 we were unfortunate to lose savicevic before the match but still dominated the game (remember the stunning volley from simone?!) right up until the last minute, they were all close games.

capello was a tactical genius against barca in 93/94

capellos teams were never weak mentally, i cant recall them caving in like ancelottis has to deportivo, psv or liverpool.....

Originally Posted by sf_esq

I can't answer for others, but what message board doesn't have strong personalities?

my point exactly SF_ESQ!!!

i want to know what other people think?!

Yeah i have been disapointed with ancelotti up till now,and i am still grieving for our loss,because i even dreamt of maldini lifting the 7th champions league trophy but unforetunately it didn't happen

but in my own opinion sacking ancelotti is not the best option,let's give him another chance shall we?

Originally Posted by MATNAT

so just because someone doesn`t agree with YOUR point of view your dismissing them as people with not stable ideas?

what makes you such an expert on there opinion?

and if not these people on the boards then theres the italian journalists (like i quoted in this thread), whose opinion i think you`d respect, there all asking the same questions and saying the same thing. just read la gazetta or la stampa etc...

this is not something dreamt up over night, but merely an accumulation of events that have just so happen to bear fruition after the champions league final.

the fact is all ancelottis achievements and failures are there for all to see...

if he was such a good coach we wouldn`t be having this conversation.. the reason why i joined this forum was because i needed to air my views to other people to see what they think.

ive spoken to people on bbc website etc.. and they ask the same questions of why milan are so mentally unstable?
why ancelotti doesn`t rotate the squad etc... i feel you need to see eveyone elses opinions of those not associated with milan and you`ll see that there asking the same questions too....

I am not really sure that you even read what I said but just assumed that it was something and immediately commented on it.
I didn't call everyone with an opinion different than mine "people with not stable ideas" or anything like that. I meant that for those people who one week hail Carlo and then a week later are creating posts headed: "Carlo must go ..." or something of this type. I would be more than willing to discuss this with someone who, no matter what, has one RIGID and NONFLOATING oppinion no matter whether it is AGINST or FOR Carlo staying as a Milan coach - this I also pointed out in my last post, whose meaning you so "kindly" DISTORTED, whether intentionally or not, I quite frankly DO NOT CARE.
I have nothing against people asking Carlo to be sacked but as long as they are consistent, no matter what the team does on the field, in their opinions, reasons, motivations, etc. However, I have a lot against those ignorant "FLOATERS" who, without any solid arguments, in week A they call for Carlo to be sacked, then in week B call him the "best coach around" or something of this type and then in week C it is again Carlo the "failure must go"
Again, good luck with the role of the shepherd of these "FLOATERS" for they definitely need someone to guide them in their search for an identity.
And next time try actually reading what you are about to comment on - it often helps a lot.

Honestly, who has ever thought Carlo was a world class manager?
I admit he had the opportunity to prove himself on Wednesday but couldn't because he isn't.

The victory against juve in the CL final was sweet but a penalty shoot out is always can go either way (as we found out ourselves on wednesday)

If we had won the cup i would have been happy for carlo to remain at the helm. but i would not have praised him for being a great manager. Afterall we were playing a team with no experience on CL finals, a poor league position in their domestic league and no silverware, a manager in his first year in charge at a foreign club and in gerrard 1 world class player (if that). So they weren't the Liverpool of old. They were a mediocre premiership side.

But the truth of the matter is we are MILAN and all of us here remember how formidable we were and that is what we aspire to.

Winning cups is great. But to win how we have won by striking fear into the hearts of everyone before us, is truly great. And, we have been the complete opposite of this in recent times.

Please remember who we are because failure is a dirty stain that embellishes our history.

Originally Posted by K77SH C

If you think about it there are only two managers better than Ancelotti right now, Benitez and Mourinhio.

Benitez is so good he's taken his team all the way up to fifth place in the EPL. And we're complaining about Ancelotti finishing up second. How long do you think Benitez would last in Italy? Not to mention that nobody knows if he can deal with superstars instead of underdogs. Give Ancelotti credit for his man management skills.

As for Mourinho, he lost to Liverpool just like we did. I really don't see Milan's players falling under his spell like Chelsea's seem to have done. And I don't think his and Berlusconi's egos could coexist.

Originally Posted by MATNAT

capello has one european cup like ancelotti .
however the difference is the fact that capellos milan teams had an "air" of invincibility.

Right. Capello has been coaching for a lot longer than Ancelotti. He's had some terrific teams in Milan, Real Madrid, Juve and even Roma, who are volatile but can play astonishing football, and he's managed just one victory in Europe. "Airs" are all very nice, but I'd rather win. We didn't make it this time, but I don't see anyone better than Ancelotti to give it another try.

I'm hoping that Ancelotti will try to correct the problem in our players' mentality. However, he can't be blamed for everything. The players are grown men, highly paid professionals with lots of experience. They shouldn't have lost it like that. Liverpool didn't.