Ancelotti must go......

having sat through the worst 45 mins of the season i think its time for milan to start thinking of its next manager.

i couldn`t believe what i was watching and i can only blame ancelotti for all of this, here are my reasons why milan must find someone else....

first of all losing an unasailable lead has happened before. we saw it against deportivo and then again against psv, you would have thought ancelotti would have learnt something but he obviously hasn`t. if this had been capello or mourinho you could bet your last dollar that they`d have shored up after the first goal, revert to a 4-4-2, keep it tight close the space, but do something.

secondly why did he wait till they`d scored 3 goals to make a substitution? after the first one or at the very least the second he should have reacted to what was going on in front of him.

thirdly, he`s tactically inept.... and this has been shown against psv, deportivio and even some of the serie a minnows who we`ve drawn against thsi season. the only time i have seen him make a tactical intervention was against fiorentina when he switched to a 3-5-2 and sheva saved us once again.
it is also blatantly obvious that we rely on pirlo too much. why cant he devise new styles of play so that we can switch things up a bit during matches?! switching to differnt formations to beta other teams etc... also i think our subs offer no variety in play apart from serginho and this has to be looked at either by galliani or ancelotti.

finally i feel that his doubts of keeping things tight at the back is starting to have an effect on the players mentally. his uncertainity i think is now starting to rub off on the players and i have completely lost confidence in him.

sure his won a scudetto and a european cup, these were in the past. this is now. milan have the best squad in europe. to crawl into the semifinal and then lose after being 3-0 up at half time is simply not good enough.

id like to see either capello, mourinho or even hiddink at the helm of AC. the coach needs to be able to balance between attacking and defending therefore no wengers and no rijkaards please.....

what does anyone else think?

"We started the campaign by winning the Italian Super Cup, ended up second in the League after taking Juventus to the wire and only losing the Champions’ League on penalties after playing well.

"If someone offered me the chance now to finish second in the League and reach the European Cup Final next season I’d take it," he stated.

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This is what galliani said... well, i really disagree with that shamefull point of wiew!!!! How can our president say that its good enough that we put juve on wire and lost in the final!!! Its shameful!! Second place cant be enough for milan, ever!!! And they need to stop saying it is....
As for carlo, i believe that you know my poing of wiew that i exposed in " is carlo still in next season..." thread. Once again he shoved he is not brave and smart enough to run milan to series of wictories... ( lecce,siena,brescia,psv,juve,liverpool....) Nice way to end a season... We had 3-0 and game just couldnt be lost, there is no excuse! First half was magnificent, but we are 30-35% stronger than l'pool and still our midfielders stoped playing afted we conceded first goal. Something needed to be done to calm the situation down and stop liverpool wawe of attacks. He did nothing. Well **** this kind of managment!!

I'm too shocked and depressed to think about huge changes like that..I am so destroyed about this loss that it' s gonna take me a while to get some perspective. I just don't have the energie to analyze who's fault it is and who's to blame..

But on the other hand...maybe you're right, maybe Ancelotti is to blame. I wouldn't want to see Capello here again though, not even Mourinho cause I hate his character..I think he lacks class...but Hiddink sure looks like a good replacement..he's had success everywhere. If anybody is gonna replace Ancelotti..Hiddink would be a very good choice.

Bringing in Hiddink would be a very smart move. I want Ancelotti out! This has gone too far! We have what is probably the best team in the world on paper, but what we don't have is a world class coach. I haven't been impressed by the tactical side of Milan's game in a long time, and he obviously hasn't succeeded in instilling the right kind of mentality into our players. Now it's time to go, Ancelotti. Thank you for a ruined season.

PS: I CAN NOT believe Galliani said that. What kind of an attitude is that? We haven't won **** this season. Trophies are all that matters. God damn I am angry right now.

i think it maybe the fact that there is some sentimental affection with ancelotti at the fact he also an ex player....

there is no room for sentiment (look at man utd for example they should have got rid of ferguson years ago but they won`t cos of his success in the past....and look at how little man utd have won since...)

i also think tassotti could be an option with baresi by his side seeing as hes in charge of the youth squad....

seeing as its going to be ancelotti for at least another year i hope that he makes some smart moves in the transfer market (personally i just wish he`d implement some new styles of play and get them to defend like a unit from the "baresi" days....)

Ancelotti has another year after that I agree Hiddink or Scolari (he will be free after the World Cup) would be the perfect choice but we'll probably get Van Basten instead and my problem with that is he lacks cynicism.

you people seriously don't remember what it was like after Cappello left do you. We have had the cream of europe passing through our dressing room since then and no one has delivered anything like Ancelotti. I don't think he's the best coach in the world to be honest but I think out of all the coaches in the world no one is more suited for us. You all rave on about Hiddink, this man absolutely BOMBED at has last attempt of big team management.

Again I like to remind people that Ancellotti in 4 seasons has had one signing over 10 million (Nesta), I'm pretty sure Man U, Chelsea, Inter, Juve, Barca and Madrid had 5 or 6 at least. And yet before carletto came we where rubbish, same players, no results.

Carletto is owed some real payback and most of all he is owed respect.

Originally Posted by meazza

you people seriously don't remember what it was like after Cappello left do you. We have had the cream of europe passing through our dressing room since then and no one has delivered anything like Ancelotti. I don't think he's the best coach in the world to be honest but I think out of all the coaches in the world no one is more suited for us. You all rave on about Hiddink, this man absolutely BOMBED at has last attempt of big team management.

Again I like to remind people that Ancellotti in 4 seasons has had one signing over 10 million (Nesta), I'm pretty sure Man U, Chelsea, Inter, Juve, Barca and Madrid had 5 or 6 at least. And yet before carletto came we where rubbish, same players, no results.

Carletto is owed some real payback and most of all he is owed respect.

hold on a minute oscar tabarez was no world class coach and neither was alberto "3 man defence" zaccheroni.... the only coach i did like was fatih terim and his stay was cut short.

ancelottis glory is in the past and you would have thought things would have improved.

carlo should have learnt from his deportivo mistake!!!

you have to look at the context of where we are now and what has improved.

the only area that milan have improved is offensively, defensively we have gotten worst.

its so much more worse now cos oppostition teams will still think they have a chance even there 3-0 or 4-0 down. psychologically the team is screwed. any opposition manager losing 3-0 or 4-0 at half time will remind his team of milans losses to deportivo and liverpool, milan will no longer be feared by the opposition cos they know that if they attack them forcefully they`ll crumble!!

we need a coach who is going to win back our respect and dignity and ancelotti is not that man......

Originally Posted by meazza

you people seriously don't remember what it was like after Cappello left do you. We have had the cream of europe passing through our dressing room since then and no one has delivered anything like Ancelotti. I don't think he's the best coach in the world to be honest but I think out of all the coaches in the world no one is more suited for us. You all rave on about Hiddink, this man absolutely BOMBED at has last attempt of big team management.

Again I like to remind people that Ancellotti in 4 seasons has had one signing over 10 million (Nesta), I'm pretty sure Man U, Chelsea, Inter, Juve, Barca and Madrid had 5 or 6 at least. And yet before carletto came we where rubbish, same players, no results.

Carletto is owed some real payback and most of all he is owed respect.

Finally someone reasonable.

lets say that milan (god forbid)sack carlo. who CAN you bring in?? hiddink is good but commited to psv. please don't tell me rikard, cuz with his style we will always end 3rd in serie A. and please don't tell me baresi or donadoni cuz they didn't proove them selves yet, and milan shouldn't just assign a coach cuz he was one of their greats. Carlo is good for now and untill capello wants to join milan i don't want to c anyone sitting on milan's coach except him!

Originally Posted by sam_3

lets say that milan (god forbid)sack carlo. who CAN you bring in?? hiddink is good but commited to psv. please don't tell me rikard, cuz with his style we will always end 3rd in serie A. and please don't tell me baresi or donadoni cuz they didn't proove them selves yet, and milan shouldn't just assign a coach cuz he was one of their greats. Carlo is good for now and untill capello wants to join milan i don't want to c anyone sitting on milan's coach except him!

Hiddink would leave PSV for Milan. As I said earlier Scolari would be another obvious choice.

coach's don't usually leave their clubs if they are both successful and comfortable that is why i don't think we can get hiddink. explain to me why scolari is better than carlo?? at best scolari is like carlo. he took a side with great individuals and let them play and ended up in glory with brazil. with portugal he lost to the underdogs ( doesn't that remind u with carlo).

i think scolari is good a choice. hes not afraid of making changes early on (he replaced ferreria with miguel and couto with andrade after the first group game at euro 2004).

hes not afraid of making "big" desicions (repalcing figo with simao in the semifinal against england)

and hes tactically better than ancelotti (look at how he brought on rui costa, postigia and simao against england, when he knew england were sitting back he knew he could go for it and increase the pressure on england and secondly understanding that if u can`t go through the middle of a team then you have to stretch the pitch and look to get around the back of the defence which saw the introduction of simao...)

he was never afraid of making big descions with gremio in brazil and neither with the brazilian national team.

he knew how to win at all costs

scolari gets my vote....

Such changes done by scolari don't always work. do u guys remember how carlo was hailed last season when he braught in max against lazio last season. but if max didn't score the goal he would have been dubbed as stupid. and the thing about scolari having the guts to change a player don't forget that carlo benched RUI for kaka when some coachs might have waited some more time for such a transition especially that kaka was a kid and an unknown quantity. and about streatching out games. didn't u c what he did against fiorentina by introducing serginho. and he did the same thing against liverpool and it almost worked if it wasn't 4 some bad finished by jdt and sheva.


Carlo may not be a tactical genius when compared to mourinho or capello but he is good and milan is not in the place for changes.

Originally Posted by MATNAT

secondly why did he wait till they`d scored 3 goals to make a substitution? after the first one or at the very least the second he should have reacted to what was going on in front of him.

I will comment on this part only for its lack of logic is pretty much ubiquitous for the rest of your "glorious" post. I would gladly take it all apart but I am painfully bored with discussing the CL final after spending most of yesterday and today doing exactly that.
Did you even watch the game? Liverpool scored their 3 goals in 6-7 minutes. How do you see a substitution - and this didn't have to be a time-wasting sub but a tactically oriented/shrude one - to be made for this short amount of time. Milan started the second half right from where they had stopped the first - the first 10 min or so we came close to the 4-0 on several occasions and nothing, absolutely nothing served as a clue that the team was about to literary fall apart in a matter of a few minutes.
A tactically shrewd sub takes time to execute - the player has to warm-up for at least a couple of minutes (actually it usually takes at least 15-20min for a proper warm-up but I am taking matters to the extreme here) and after that it would take 3-4 more minutes until the 4th official and the ref get their acts together and make/authorize the substitution - checking cleats, players' lists, waiting for the game to be stopped, etc, etc.
Simple 101 math should tell you that when a team scores 3 goals in 6 minutes there is hardly enough time for a coach to react with a proper substitution - meaning not just making one for time-wasting. What made matters even less predicatble for Carlo was that right before Liverpool started their incredible comeback, Milan was as close to scoring for 4-0 as it ever got during the whole game and there were hardly any worrying signs for what was about to follow.
Of course one could argue that Carlo should have adjusted the tactics according the new line-up Benitez used but then again - Liverpool's new tactics weren't giving any signs at all that matters on the field were about to change so dramatically. I do believe that it wasn't Benitez's new tactics but Milan loosing their heads and literary falling apart that did the damage.