MOURINHO instead of ANCELOTTI???

haha, thanks Andreea... you're right... sorry... let's go back to football

Ego, you dont have the strength to admit your mistake, so dont come and try to show your atitude here. The forum dont need it.

Like i said earlier, show me evidence that Berlu is stupid and what behaviour exhitbits his stupidness? Your little conclusion can get you in trouble with the forum and if you r lucky, the law too.

Originally Posted by Egoistka

Fair play and CLASS are different things....(in my opinion at least)

No sweetie, I beg to disagree, they are part and parcel of each other, and you cannot have one, without the other.

Fair play demonstrates class, while class is also partially defined by exhibiting fair play.

The bottom line for me, is that Mourinho doesnt have the "class" to coach/manage a team of Milan´s stature. He can go and play his version of "Championship Manager" with Abramovich´s money (still without obtaining the ultimate target, 2 seasons running), and with a club that previously hadnt won anything for 50 years.

Milan have never gone 25 years without winning something.

There are very few people in Europe (apart from perdenti and Zebra fans) who have ill to say about Milan, from players, to managers, to opposing fans.

Capello is the only coach that can claim to have something against Milan (though Terim also has a case), and this (these) for me is (are) the exception(s) that prove the rule.

I think it is unfair of you to also criticise our president, without whom, we would probably be in Serie B, and none of us would be having this discussion!

While I am closer to your side of things in the sense that I dislike him as a person, mainly for his right wing policies, I adore him as a fellow Milanista, a fellow fan who puts his money where his mouth is...he came from humble beginnings, and is now a billionaire...stupid people dont accumulate that much power and money.

None of our recent success, and I mean the 20 years under his presidency, would have been possible without his patronage. None. The terrific trio of Gullit Kijkaard, and Van Basten were lured to Milan because of Berlu.

Rui Costa came to Milan on his intervention, and his intervention alone. Shevchenko is staying at Milan because of his good relationship with our president. Gilardino came to Milan again through Berlu´s involvement (not that you care for him, the future of Milan´s strikeforce...but on an aside: How many players, new to a club, comes in and scores 15 goals 3/4 way through his first season?)

Rui Costa, in the event you didnt know, is a gentleman, and exudes class...he would have scorned Milan had he felt Berlu to be crass, or classless, as some owners can sometimes be.

Suffice it to say that I think your response to Gio was an example of "Classlessness" in the extreme, and your use of language such as those directives about where on your anatomy he could "lick", wont be tolerated here.

I say that not because we are disagreeing on this point, but because we pride ourselves on being, like our club: classy, and those that dont have that level of class, are invited to post elsewhere...or support other clubs, who are as classless as they are.

We do not tolerate personal attacks, nor the use of foul or abusive language.

Thanks for your attention.

From theguardian:http://football.guardian.co.uk/Fiver/0,,1727393,00.html

The Fiver, a so-called comedic piece, gives us:

MULTIPLE QUOTES OF THE DAY, IN WHICH PROFESSIONAL NAYSAYER EAMON DUNPHY CONTINUES HIS BATTLE WITH FELLOW RTE ANALYST JOHN GILES FOR THE TITLE OF NARKIEST ENGLISH-LANGUAGE PUNDIT

And they go on to say:

On Jose Mourinho: "He's a bluffer who just got found out. He will never be at the tactical level of Milan or Barcelona, he doesn't even have the footballing intelligence to know why Barca beat him. Look at his claims that the best team didn't win. Ridiculous. He's a Bengal lancer."

Need I say/quote more?

/me gets popcorn,this fight is geting intresting..........OR NOT)))))))))

Seriously now,why do u keep on arguing ,its always about the last word huh?and you guys are sayng to her that she has a big ego

Oh and btw if you are going to say i have no right to enter your discution,well i have all the rights in the world,cause this tread is about jose replacing anceloti not your stupid fights.

Originally Posted by BaggioForever

Ego, you dont have the strength to admit your mistake, so dont come and try to show your atitude here. The forum dont need it.

Like i said earlier, show me evidence that Berlu is stupid and what behaviour exhitbits his stupidness? Your little conclusion can get you in trouble with the forum and if you r lucky, the law too.

I guess the evidence already before... I cant write all his not very smart answers or words, but I wrote a couple...
And i do have strength to admit my mistakes if there are strong reasons saying that i am wrong... If I was wrong and realize it, I say it..

Suffice it to say that I think your response to Gio was an example of "Classlessness" in the extreme, and your use of language such as those directives about where on your anatomy he could "lick", wont be tolerated here....

Seems like you think only abot CLASS...I always thought that the word "ass" is alright...

Going back to the topic...Ancelotti may stay with Milan only in one situation: if he changes the tactic completely. Milan is so much predictable now..we recently play great, but still so predictable...Do you think Ancelotti can change smth? If yes, I am standing for Ancelotti, if no, I ll want to see Mourinho...All the rest candidates terrify me, coz I dont know if they will make it better for Milan or worse...
That someone who said that Mourinho is a bluffer and bad tactician is horribly wrong. If Jose is a bad coach, who is good then? Dont see any...Then there are no good coaches in this world..where are they? On Mars?

Look at his claims that the best team didn't win. Ridiculous. He's a Bengal lancer

Sure Mourinho said that his team is the best...what do you expect him to say? Worst team? How will the players react on such words? I would say that as well...He doesnt care what you guys will think about this phrase, he doesnt know you..but he does care about the atmosphere in his team...As easy as that...

Still...13 people think that we want Mourinho to coach Milan...Maybe he is not that bad as other visitors of this thread say...

Giovanni, stanne certo: Berlusconi PERDE queste elezioni, perchè ha fatto solo gli affaracci suoi. E io sono italiano. Ci vuoi scommetere il tuo culo, ' gobbo '?

Gino, easy on the language, dude... you can PM Gio with that if you want...nothing to do with thread... and very little with the discussion that started with it...

I'm not sure how anyone could seriously want Mourinho as a coach after his recent displays of petulance at West Brom and Barcelona. At first his confidence was amusing, now it's just plain ridiculous. He hardly ever gives credit to an opponent, can't admit when he's been beaten by a better team, makes himself the soul centre of attention ( did you see him walking down the tunnel before the Barca match ? When he acknowledged a few players by patting them on the shoulder and then patted Puyol on the face, they all looked at him like he was an idiot ), pokes his nose into other team's business like he's running their club ... when you add this to his attitude problems you get a man who's becomming more and more paranoid by the day.

He's done good things with teams, he's a good motivational coach, but he's not fantastic by any stretch. The Portugese league was hardly the strongest league to win and it would have been interesting to watch how much of a success he'd be at Chelsea without all the money. He's been buying players for the sake of it and to stop other clubs from getting them, Glen Johnson, Tiago, Smertin, Jarosik, Wright-Phillips, Maniche, even Joe Cole to a degree are all players he's bought and not made use of. Other players like Drogba, the right-back who i've forgotten the name of and Del Horno are hardly world beaters. So his track record of buying great talent isn't that impressive when you break it down.

There are numerous other coaches who display as much tactical nous as him and have the added bonus of class and respect also, Benitez (whom i think is superior to Mourinho on both counts, breaking the domination of R.Madrid and Barcelona on a shoe-string budget is vastly more impressive), Le Guen (his Lyon side played gorgeous football at times), Hiddinck, Rijkaard, Van Basten, all coaches worthy of praise for different reasons. Mourinho does have advantages just like any other person, but he's not the be all and end all and he definately isn't the 'Special One'.


p.s. Nice one Sant, Sunshine club strikes again

Yes... we're not many, but we're good...

Originally Posted by Egoistka

Still...13 people think that we want Mourinho to coach Milan...Maybe he is not that bad as other visitors of this thread say...

The American voted Bush as president, so is Bush "not that bad"?

Originally Posted by Warro Bantan

The bottom line for me, is that Mourinho doesnt have the "class" to coach/manage a team of Milan´s stature. He can go and play his version of "Championship Manager" with Abramovich´s money (still without obtaining the ultimate target, 2 seasons running), and with a club that previously hadnt won anything for 50 years.

Milan have never gone 25 years without winning something.

not just for warro:

i don´t know if all of you red my previous post but what about when he coached FC Porto? he had money??

winning the Uefa Cup and the CL was luke?!
he was hired to do his job...he must be guilty for sign a contract with a club that has a lot of money??
if he haves, better for him!! what´s the problem?!
about his class, he doesn´t give a s**t to that, after all is still winning!
what all of you want? win or lose? "win with class" all say...
but what do you know about class?
and what "class" do you mean? the class to be a sympathic person who everybody likes and and wins nothing? or a person who defends his club, team and players with fingers and nails and try to motivate as much as possile every player to do the best in very game?

yes, it´s true...at this point he doesn´t need to continue with that arrogancy

and you know why? because he has already prove to everyone that he is one of the best coaches in the world!
and you also know why he continues with that speech?.. beacuse of people like you all. he must defends himself and also defends the club he represents from all the attacks made by the press and people (and this people always speak the same - "if you hadn´t money...bla bla bla" )
who you see to speak with the press? sometimes Peter Kenyon but must of all is Mourinho; to speak about all...do you see Abrama speaking?! he shoud be the target...
I don´t like him, not as a person, but for what he did. he bought a football club, and now he´s playing with "toys" and just want the best

do you know why Berlusconi said that he wanted him? (if this is true)
just because the relationship with Mourinho and Abrama it´s not the best...and you know why once more?! because Mourinho just want players who can fix in his methods and his tactics, and Abrama just want Henry´s, Beckham´s, Ronaldo´s, Sheva´s, Adriano´s...top players... just to sell the product (Chelsea)....So, Mourinho after all doesn´t want all that money!!

Football is not for sale..and i´m sad that clubs like Chelsea and Man Utd couldn´t resist to that...it´s not pure, it´s not the real truth
i even don´t like Bosman law, but that´s another history

i liked Chelsea when they had Vialli, Zola, Di Matteo, Weah.. but not now. they aren´t real to me
but, does Mourinho has some guilt on this?? is just an employee doing his job...he doesn´t deserve to be insulted and criticized in this way

i know all of you don´t give a s**t to this, but who should read the two books about him. surely after the books, some of you would understand his thinkings...
i know because i saw many games of him

now write whatever who want...i will say nothing more in this post


see you all in the next

well to my mind MOurinio is a good coach, It is not possible to win CL with porto otehrwise, but I do not like his personality: too arogant, putting noce in everybodys business, and his comment about leo messi - so stupid !, del orno crashed into this young fellow like a boing and he said messi was pretending, no I do not want him in Milan

and by the way , somebody here said we are predictable, well if predictable team scores 4 goals with Bayern who cares about predictability than???, everything genial is very simple,

viva Ancelotti)),

Originally Posted by Egoistka

Your reply (first and second) is not better. You are angry because you cannot really say anything, because you know that I am right. You just dont have astrength to say that. Sure you are upset that I say smth bad about your Prime Minister, its understandable.
I spread pessimism and nasty comments? LOL...thats funny. I say what I think and feel..and not going to lick anyone's ass..whether you are moderator here or Prince of Wales..Got it?

I can't say anything?

First of all, you basically took a couple of episodes and spoke about the italian people without even knowing anything really.
When do you follow closely italian politics, when did you study constitutional law, my dear, when did you get into comparative law, to talk about the political and institutional situation of another country, a country that you barely know "because you spoke with your granda's boyfriend"

It takes more than a couple of chats or articles on newspapers to talk about the political situation of a country. It takes lots of study about history and close daily attention to even dare to approach it. Something you never did ( it's clear from the poor argumentations you gave about the berlusconi supposed stupidity).

But you feel so cocky that you not only can talk about subjects you barely know in a language you barely know, but that you think your few chats with italians can represent what italian people think.

I don't know what to say? My dear: the list to prove you wrong can be very long, if i told you a couple of things i would take a couple of days off, something i can't afford to do.

I just tell you that before you can talk with me about this issues, you need to study a bit more history, constitutional law, comparative juridical systems and read a bunch of books more (a few suggestions? Plato's "Respublica" ,Aristotle "Politika" [obviously looking at the greek original text]..Marsilio of Padua's "Defensor Pacis", Hobbes, Bodin, Rousseau, Alexis de Tocqueville to name a few examples ..)

You simply can't make it.

So, without wasting more time, go and study. We'll update in a couple of decades and discuss the matter again.


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