Ancelotti must go......

Fair point about Benitez finishing fifth, but hes had alot of injury problems and this was his first year in england. Im sure his appreciation of the premier league will have increased by next season. As for Mourinhio you might be right about him and Berlu, but he would be able to convince this team that they are "special" Being a motivator is one of his strengths.

Right now though Im still happy to see Carlo have another year.

ok, I must admit I'm confused. Why are we criticizing Ancelotti for Wednesday.

Tactically, the first half was played perfectly. Sheva had clearly been indicated to attack the fullbacks of Liverpool which opened them up. The movement of Pirlo, Seedorf and Kaka was key to disrupting the Liverpool midfield which struggled to understand how to position themselves. Cafu and Maldini were stopped from overcommiting (though they did attack a fair amount), which was key as Liverpool were prepared to get in behind the fullbacks. There was nothing wrong with this.

I hear people say, as soon as Hamann came on, we should have changed things around. Not true at all, as Ancelotti clearly wanted the side to control the match and remain organised. This was clear from the lack of overcommiting and holding the ball for the first five or ten minutes of the second half. Then the first goal came and the side lost it completely. This wasn't a tactical issue, as our players were not getting into position at all, which affected the teamn structure.

Bringing Serginho on helped nullify the left wing (as he plays much wider than Seedorf) of Liverpool which had been beginning to gain strength in the second half. Rui was influencing play from deep and was used to hold the ball as Liverpool pressed hard to regain control and kept deep to play out time, meaning a little more space was afforded to us in deep areas and Gattuso wasn't needed as Liverpool made little effort to produce anything.

JDT was brought on for similar reasons. Though he can poach goals, he often plays deep, which was necessary against a deep Liverpool side, as we needed him to try and stretch the opposition through his movement. People say Sheva should have been brought off, but then we would have suffered the same problem we have in the past with JDT and Crespo, where lack of movement and link up with the midfield, as well as playing on the shoulder of the deep backline makes it difficult to really cause damage. Sheva's movement caused Liverpool problems and this concept of stretching and disorientating the Liverpool team was how many of our chances came about.

For the whole 120mins, Benitez lost the tactical battle, even if for the crucial 6 mins, our players lost the match.

I cannot fathom how Ancelotti can be blamed for this match. Much moreso, I don't understand how people criticise him for his tactical approach (there aren't many mistakes he's made, but when he makes them, they are focused on far more than the tactical successes he has).

I want Carlo to stay and I have one hope only, which is that he can instill the mental strength the side is lacking.

Ancelotti have a special group of players to win games. The likes of kaka, sheva is a delight to be any coach dreams. Ancelotti tactics are a big question marks when we play with opponent who coach simple outsmart ancelotti. In a game of football have a great crops of players is one thing and adopting of tactics to different games is one thing.

The frustrating quote by Ancelotti before the final "If Milan can scored within 3 mins of the game, Liverpool will have to change their game".
When we were leading by 3 goals, I thought he was in controlled and should change his tactics but he lost the plot.

Just my two cents thought.

Originally Posted by zlatanov

I am not really sure that you even read what I said but just assumed that it was something and immediately commented on it.
I didn't call everyone with an opinion different than mine "people with not stable ideas" or anything like that. I meant that for those people who one week hail Carlo and then a week later are creating posts headed: "Carlo must go ..." or something of this type. I would be more than willing to discuss this with someone who, no matter what, has one RIGID and NONFLOATING oppinion no matter whether it is AGINST or FOR Carlo staying as a Milan coach - this I also pointed out in my last post, whose meaning you so "kindly" DISTORTED, whether intentionally or not, I quite frankly DO NOT CARE.
I have nothing against people asking Carlo to be sacked but as long as they are consistent, no matter what the team does on the field, in their opinions, reasons, motivations, etc. However, I have a lot against those ignorant "FLOATERS" who, without any solid arguments, in week A they call for Carlo to be sacked, then in week B call him the "best coach around" or something of this type and then in week C it is again Carlo the "failure must go"
Again, good luck with the role of the shepherd of these "FLOATERS" for they definitely need someone to guide them in their search for an identity.
And next time try actually reading what you are about to comment on - it often helps a lot.

what i don`t understand is that i`ve given you so many reasons as to why carlo should go but all i get from the likes of yourself is criticism of my opinion with no rational from yourself as to expalin why ancelotti is so good?!

ive gone through the problems so many times on this thread about ancelottis time at milan (not just the champions league) but the likes of yourelf dont come up with anything to convince me against my own arguements?!

Originally Posted by meazza

i never noticed the number of 2005 join dates on first reading.

hey... i joined in early 2005..... just cuz i havent been in the forum for long doesnt mean im not hardcore milanista.

HMmmmmmm..... This thread must put it die-off....
Not an intention to irrespecting freedoms of expressions.
Trust me, sacking Carletto is crazy ! Bring in more harm than good.
Milan needs refurbishing, mentally and emotionally.
they need motivator and moderator, not a new coach.
Even if Mourinho or Sir Alex or anyone come to coach Milan and players attitude still the same, there're no change at all, trust me.
Milan needs a change which really beams from everyone's heart, from managements to players. No need to sack Carletto. Again, no need to sack Carletto !!!! Carletto is good enuff for Milan, at least for now and the next season.
To those ppl who got tangled b/c of this, Milan players and non-playing on the pitch staff should get theraphy and motivational class to strengthened their mental-emotional state, honestly, it got degenerated after Riazor and never fully recovered since.

Why must waste your time to discuss abt sth that Milan management never think to do so ?

KEEP CARLETTO !

I think Carlo Ancelotti should stay because like others mentioned, if you sack him I dont think you will be able to replace him with managers who are likely to bring you the trophy back to Milan next year. They are all probably unavailable anyway. Second, sacking him I believe will only cause more damage than good. Fact remains that Milan's foundation under Carlo is very good. To disrupt it by bringing in a new coach will only cause havoc in Milan.

I know that some people do not want Carlo in Milan not just from the CL loss but because they have always never liked him (and I personally didnt when he was at Juventus); but despite of his tactics and how he has made Milan play he did bring some glorious things to Milan. We might like it we might not but at least hes managed to put Milan in his time as one of the teams to fear ... for that I think Carlo deserves one more chance.

Carlo has built the strongest team in Europe for which reason I would be shocked if he was let go off. He deserves at least another season to prove that he has more to bring to this club.

In the future I'm sure that he'll manage Roma at some point, just not yet.

Originally Posted by MATNAT

what i don`t understand is that i`ve given you so many reasons as to why carlo should go but all i get from the likes of yourself is criticism of my opinion with no rational from yourself as to expalin why ancelotti is so good?!

As a Spanish journalist said before he took over Milan were a joke - we didn't even make the knockout stages of the Champions League in 2001 and the following season we didn't qualify for the group stages. When we appointed him everyone was still laughing, saying he was a loser (especially Juventino). He 'invented' a new system, made Gattuso and Dida World Class and got the best out of misfits like Pirlo and Seedorf and Maldini and Cafu who were both supposed to be in decline. We won the European Cup in 2003 playing stunning football, at least in the early stages, we beat Bayern, Depor, Lens, Dortmund, Real Madrid and Ajax before struggling against Inter and Juve. Nonetheless winning the European Cup again was a stunning achievement and also put Serie A and Italian football back on the map. While Ancelotti didn't have the level of impact as Sacchi he still changed the philosophy of many Italian clubs who adopted the possession football approach.

He also won the league last season in record breaking fashion - taking 22 points out of 24 from all the big clubs and did a superb job in developing Kaka' who will go onto become the best player in the World.

Ancelotti has been at the club for 4 years, we've won 5 honours (EC, Scudetto, Coppa Italia, European Super Cup, Italian Super Cup). I strongly believe if Serie A was still an 18 team league we would have won the double this season, physical fatigue lead to mental fatigue and we didn't get a break from officials in any big match this season. We've had extraordinarily bad luck. Galliani has promised reinforcements. Maybe Ancelotti will still be coach maybe not. Depor and Liverpool are hard to take, some would say unforgivable but that doesn't detract from the work Ancelotti has done.

Ancelotti must go, sure ! and i hope that Camacho or Guus Hiddink be the new coach.

Originally Posted by Mehdi

As a Spanish journalist said before he took over Milan were a joke - we didn't even make the knockout stages of the Champions League in 2001 and the following season we didn't qualify for the group stages. When we appointed him everyone was still laughing, saying he was a loser (especially Juventino). He 'invented' a new system, made Gattuso and Dida World Class and got the best out of misfits like Pirlo and Seedorf and Maldini and Cafu who were both supposed to be in decline. We won the European Cup in 2003 playing stunning football, at least in the early stages, we beat Bayern, Depor, Lens, Dortmund, Real Madrid and Ajax before struggling against Inter and Juve. Nonetheless winning the European Cup again was a stunning achievement and also put Serie A and Italian football back on the map. While Ancelotti didn't have the level of impact as Sacchi he still changed the philosophy of many Italian clubs who adopted the possession football approach.

He also won the league last season in record breaking fashion - taking 22 points out of 24 from all the big clubs and did a superb job in developing Kaka' who will go onto become the best player in the World.

Ancelotti has been at the club for 4 years, we've won 5 honours (EC, Scudetto, Coppa Italia, European Super Cup, Italian Super Cup). I strongly believe if Serie A was still an 18 team league we would have won the double this season, physical fatigue lead to mental fatigue and we didn't get a break from officials in any big match this season. We've had extraordinarily bad luck. Galliani has promised reinforcements. Maybe Ancelotti will still be coach maybe not. Depor and Liverpool are hard to take, some would say unforgivable but that doesn't detract from the work Ancelotti has done.

bloody exellent post.

especially the point about the 18 team league, I agree there to, all these extra games really took it out of us, we had never played that many before in one season.

I agree with Mehdi too! It`s too much 20 teams for Serie A! Anchelotti should stay!

Originally Posted by sehnsucht79

I think Carlo Ancelotti should stay because like others mentioned, if you sack him I dont think you will be able to replace him with managers who are likely to bring you the trophy back to Milan next year. They are all probably unavailable anyway. Second, sacking him I believe will only cause more damage than good. Fact remains that Milan's foundation under Carlo is very good. To disrupt it by bringing in a new coach will only cause havoc in Milan.

I know that some people do not want Carlo in Milan not just from the CL loss but because they have always never liked him (and I personally didnt when he was at Juventus); but despite of his tactics and how he has made Milan play he did bring some glorious things to Milan. We might like it we might not but at least hes managed to put Milan in his time as one of the teams to fear ... for that I think Carlo deserves one more chance.

Me too! He must stay in Milan!

Until this day I dont find the point of expanding the league to 20 teams. Its more interesting maybe but really, theres no direct effect from it at all. Wouldnt make a difference if we stayed with 18 teams

The issue of clubs having too matches to play have always been discussed amongst fans ... Yet nobody's doing anything bout it. CL might be played every two weeks but still, with the Coppa and the league...

Originally Posted by sehnsucht79

Until this day I dont find the point of expanding the league to 20 teams. Its more interesting maybe but really, theres no direct effect from it at all. Wouldnt make a difference if we stayed with 18 teams

It makes a big difference. 18 teams is why Serie A was a better, more competitive championship than La Liga or the Premiership. Look at this season, how close the table is from the top 3 down. Serie A has become mediocre. Teams get more injuries, four extra mid-week matches on top of the Champions League and World Cup qualifiers is a killer.