Ancelotti must go......

Ancelotti will stay for sure.

He is confirmed from both Galliani and Berlusconi.

Now even Carlo confirms his staying.

and I beleive that this is the best decision.

for next season.

Originally Posted by Patrick

Ancelotti must go, sure ! and i hope that Camacho or Guus Hiddink be the new coach.

and I am sure you have some reasons - other than a mysterious gut feeling - why Camacho should be even considered as a possible replacement for Carlo.

After reading some of the points in this topic about whether Carlo Ancelotti should be given the sack? I think that he should stay for another season or two. Plus for the stability of the team as well

Originally Posted by Mehdi

As a Spanish journalist said before he took over Milan were a joke - we didn't even make the knockout stages of the Champions League in 2001 and the following season we didn't qualify for the group stages. When we appointed him everyone was still laughing, saying he was a loser (especially Juventino). He 'invented' a new system, made Gattuso and Dida World Class and got the best out of misfits like Pirlo and Seedorf and Maldini and Cafu who were both supposed to be in decline. We won the European Cup in 2003 playing stunning football, at least in the early stages, we beat Bayern, Depor, Lens, Dortmund, Real Madrid and Ajax before struggling against Inter and Juve. Nonetheless winning the European Cup again was a stunning achievement and also put Serie A and Italian football back on the map. While Ancelotti didn't have the level of impact as Sacchi he still changed the philosophy of many Italian clubs who adopted the possession football approach.

He also won the league last season in record breaking fashion - taking 22 points out of 24 from all the big clubs and did a superb job in developing Kaka' who will go onto become the best player in the World.

Ancelotti has been at the club for 4 years, we've won 5 honours (EC, Scudetto, Coppa Italia, European Super Cup, Italian Super Cup). I strongly believe if Serie A was still an 18 team league we would have won the double this season, physical fatigue lead to mental fatigue and we didn't get a break from officials in any big match this season. We've had extraordinarily bad luck. Galliani has promised reinforcements. Maybe Ancelotti will still be coach maybe not. Depor and Liverpool are hard to take, some would say unforgivable but that doesn't detract from the work Ancelotti has done.

Excellent post.........this should put an end to it all

Mehdi, you made some good points.

Triniman, put an end to what? Others are entitled to their opinions as well, and from what I've seen, there are those who flat out want Carlo to stay, those who flat out want him to go, and those who are on the fence and think he should be given another year. Quite frankly, yes, we won a very nice champions league and a record breaking serie a season under Carlo, and losing in the champions league final is acceptable, and even commendable, but losing it the way we did its humiliating and unacceptable, period. If Carlo is to be given credit for our trophies, then he should take responsiblity for a defeat like that.

when i saw what triniman last posted i thought i might as well leave it because maybe people don`t want to discuss it but then again i thought..

1. this is a forum and erm... well yeah im supposed to air my views and discuss with everyone else..

2. i have more things to say about carlo....

i just got back home and spoke to my uncle for the first time in a few months. he is a juventus fan and naturally we talked about football.
he couldn`t believe that we gave a 3 goal lead away to liverpool.. but then he said

"i can`t believe we (juve) won that title, we (juve) are absolute garbage and have played some of the most awful football this year, with reggina and udinese and samp flying high in the league as well as us (juve) winning the title, i think shows just how poor serie a has become"

does anybody else agree with this?

are we the 2nd best of a really poor bunch of footballl teams?

i hope ancelotti makes some changes to our play but on past evidednce i dont think he will.

we must remember ancelotti was coach of both parma and juventus. in those days his football revolved around tactics and everything was for the system.
hence he got rid of zola because although he was an outstanding footballer he couldnt find him a place ina rigid 4-4-2. at juve he got rid of henry cos he couldnt fit him either on the left wing or even wing back (yes he played him there in a 3-5-2 system).

it seems as if ancelotti has gone full circle cos know it seems as if its the players that matter. he`ll try and play as many of his best players as he can with slight dis-regard to the system. personally after watching milan numerous times this year i think it unbalances the team.

its the same with rijkaard at barcelona. how many times have u watched them and said to yourself and your mates "why does he only play ronaldinho on the left?! why not in the centre where he can do more damage?!"

its about finding the balance. if that means playing roanldinho on the left then so be it if its for the good of the team. i think barcelona have managed to find the right balance. however the only flaw with barca is that its defenders are poor with the exception of puyol. if they replaced van bronkhorst and belletti with fullbacks who can defend more than they could attack and find another decent centre back then i think they`d be the team winning the champions league....

what do you think?

you can post what you like ...it's an open forum...but i have the same right to critize your views as you can do the same for a player, coach or team.....like i said...i can go on for days about things said here...people calling for a sack when it's not needed.....reminds me of the time when people wanted to protest and get rid of seedorf after he missed the penalty kick in the world club cup....but in the end it all boils down to the same thing......

as far as the serie A is a rubbish league....why could it not be the opposite....why could it not be that the serie has reached a level where all teams are competitive???

i mean if a religation battling team can make it to the semi finals of UEFA CUP...that has to mean something...especially seeing that it was done with more reserves than anything......

and the fact that italy has 3 teams in the last eight....does that too not count for something...it does ..

it means the serie a has once again become the best league on the planet...where even a last placed team can beat any other team on a given day, where struggling in the league can be combined with success in europe....

Originally Posted by triniman

you can post what you like ...it's an open forum...but i have the same right to critize your views as you can do the same for a player, coach or team.....like i said...i can go on for days about things said here...people calling for a sack when it's not needed.....reminds me of the time when people wanted to protest and get rid of seedorf after he missed the penalty kick in the world club cup....but in the end it all boils down to the same thing......

as far as the serie A is a rubbish league....why could it not be the opposite....why could it not be that the serie has reached a level where all teams are competitive???

i mean if a religation battling team can make it to the semi finals of UEFA CUP...that has to mean something...especially seeing that it was done with more reserves than anything......

and the fact that italy has 3 teams in the last eight....does that too not count for something...it does ..

it means the serie a has once again become the best league on the planet...where even a last placed team can beat any other team on a given day, where struggling in the league can be combined with success in europe....

but doesnt the fact that a truly dull and awful juve team win serie a mean anything?

the fact that both milan and juventus got beat by the 5th best team in the premiership liverpool?

(and for arguements sake) you could say that england is the best league as they had two teams in the last four....

(and for arguements sake) you could say that england is the best league as they had two teams in the last four....

that would be as shallow as to say say that Serie A is the best league as they had three teams in the last eight.

the final match's performance was as good as like seein trevizo-livorno or something.I don't forget the achievements of coatch but winnin with 3-0 in final and then beaten from liverpool (not a squad difficult to ACM),is a rare achievement really very few could reach!
Isn't that makes any sense?

Originally Posted by Mehdi

It makes a big difference. 18 teams is why Serie A was a better, more competitive championship than La Liga or the Premiership. Look at this season, how close the table is from the top 3 down. Serie A has become mediocre. Teams get more injuries, four extra mid-week matches on top of the Champions League and World Cup qualifiers is a killer.

What I meant was, I do not see how expanding the league to 20 teams is better than sticking with 18 teams in the league.

Originally Posted by MATNAT

but doesnt the fact that a truly dull and awful juve team win serie a mean anything?

the fact that both milan and juventus got beat by the 5th best team in the premiership liverpool?

(and for arguements sake) you could say that england is the best league as they had two teams in the last four....

I do not consider EPL the best league in the world because of personal taste and I do not measure the best league in the world by their club performances in CL. If from the past 2 seasons heck French Ligue is probably the best league in the world. Because, CL if we like it or not is sometimes unfair and depends on luck. For example if we followed the textbook Milan shouldn't have made it to the final as PSV according to most "deserved" to go through. Pool's goal against Chelsea IMO was invalid and they were lucky that DP's ONSIDE goal was disallowed AND Canna's chance in the 2nd leg hit the bar. Nevertheless what happened, happened.

As for your comments regarding Serie A, Serie A has remained the most competitive league for YEARS. Even this season. Recently everything will only be decided till the last day and this season Juve's neck to neck race with Milan has been wonderful, not forgetting Udinese and Samp's race for CL also the 11 to 9 teams relegation battle.

Having said that though I do agree with you. I find that the lower teams (like Sampdoria) play better football than Juventus and Milan. I hate to say it but BOTH Juve and Milan have played some really ugly football in the league this year. For example Milan's game against Fiorentina. I felt that was a bad performance on Milan's behalf but Sheva won it for you guys. Juventus always manages to get maximum results with minimum efforts. Juventus deservedly won the scudetto no questions bout that but it is disappointing to see the big two play awful football in the league. I can count with my fingers the number of matches both Juve and Milan have played "beautifully". This is why even though Serie A is the most competitive league everyone prefers to watch the likes of La Liga and EPL.

Originally Posted by Stelios11

the final match's performance was as good as like seein trevizo-livorno or something.I don't forget the achievements of coatch but winnin with 3-0 in final and then beaten from liverpool (not a squad difficult to ACM),is a rare achievement really very few could reach!
Isn't that makes any sense?

Well, with such compelling arguments I am finally convinced, and I am sure Galliani and Silvio will soon follow suit, that Carlo should be fired as soon as possible and Milan will have a shiny-new "bright" future in the making.
I am sure the figure "2005" is just a coincidence, again

Ok let's just assume that Ancelotti got fired.

Headlines: MILAN SENSATIONALLY SACK ANCELOTTI FOR CUP FINAL DISASTER

Ancelotti : "As I always said, my heart is with this club but decisions were made and unfortunately I did not fit in with the plans of Milan. It is sad that 6 mins of madness led to the undoing of all the work done at this club. I wish them the best."

Maldini: "It is a terrible shock to all of us considering how close he made our team and how close I felt towards him as an ex-teammate. We had spent a lot of time together as players and as him as my manager. It is sad to see him leave, considering all he has done for us. But we must look forward and welcome whoever takes his place."

HEADLINES: CESARE MALDINI BECOMES INTERIM MANAGER OF MILAN.
"Cesare Maldini becomes the interim manager of Milan again with Mauro Tassotti as assistant manager until Galliani finds a permanent solution"

Galliani: "we are approaching several managers around europe who we think can adequately steer this ship to a scudetto and CL double - the goal we failed to attain this year. The manner of our defeat in Istanbul was too hard to bear and we felt that someone had to be the scapegoat - Ancelotti had to go."
MEDIA QUESTION: "But Mr. Galliani, does it not count for anything that Carlo has secured IMMENSE successes in his short period at Milan?"
Galliani: "We repeatedly asked him not to play the Xmas tree formation. he wouldn't listen."
*reporter looks perplexed* : "but er...that is quite honestly the silliest reason to sack a coach"
Galliani: "The matter of losing a 3-0 lead also hurts us terribly."
Reporter: "so you are sacking him based on one game?"
Galliani: "er..pretty much."

HEADLINES: "GALLIANI SACKS MANAGER BASED ON PERFORMANCE IN ONE GAME"

---few months later

HEADLINES: "Galliani hires COACH JOHN DOE as ne Milan manager"

John Doe: "I am glad to take control of this Milan team. I am taking charge of some of the best playersi n the world and we will ensure that we don't throw away leads in cup finals again, as we all know that would make you lose your job here"

.....

and milan start their season with the shadow of a coach being fired, and potentially the NEW coach being given the sack soon if he throws away leads or throws out a formation that is not liked by the bosses. Milan stumble to some mediocre results due to a lack of confidence in the new coach and a break in the trend that was followed by Ancelotti (REMEMBER the Oscar Washington Tabarez era? of course you don't. He came in to Milan after a SUCCESSFUL capello was let go.)

Milan end the season in 5th place. Galliani sacks the coach and tries to lure Donadoni or Rijkaard to Milan. Both refuse. Ancelotti in the mean time, finishes the season in charge of Real Madrid as the Championos of Spain.

Galliaini wonders why he was born.

Originally Posted by Mehdi

As a Spanish journalist said before he took over Milan were a joke - we didn't even make the knockout stages of the Champions League in 2001 and the following season we didn't qualify for the group stages. When we appointed him everyone was still laughing, saying he was a loser (especially Juventino). He 'invented' a new system, made Gattuso and Dida World Class and got the best out of misfits like Pirlo and Seedorf and Maldini and Cafu who were both supposed to be in decline. We won the European Cup in 2003 playing stunning football, at least in the early stages, we beat Bayern, Depor, Lens, Dortmund, Real Madrid and Ajax before struggling against Inter and Juve. Nonetheless winning the European Cup again was a stunning achievement and also put Serie A and Italian football back on the map. While Ancelotti didn't have the level of impact as Sacchi he still changed the philosophy of many Italian clubs who adopted the possession football approach.

He also won the league last season in record breaking fashion - taking 22 points out of 24 from all the big clubs and did a superb job in developing Kaka' who will go onto become the best player in the World.

Ancelotti has been at the club for 4 years, we've won 5 honours (EC, Scudetto, Coppa Italia, European Super Cup, Italian Super Cup). I strongly believe if Serie A was still an 18 team league we would have won the double this season, physical fatigue lead to mental fatigue and we didn't get a break from officials in any big match this season. We've had extraordinarily bad luck. Galliani has promised reinforcements. Maybe Ancelotti will still be coach maybe not. Depor and Liverpool are hard to take, some would say unforgivable but that doesn't detract from the work Ancelotti has done.

Well done, Mehdi ! Excellence posts !
And kudos to Nadir, I have a visualization like you did.... But you have said it in the first place.