The problems in milan's midfield....

I have to say that aldough all of you talk about milan's defensive problems and free kicks, and there are some, I am really getting angry by the way out team is playing in CM! Just look at this.... Seedorf is now really past his best, it clear! He cant press like he used to do. Gettuso has lost his motivation or something else, confidence maybe. We play 1-2-1, so we need gread DM defensively, wich pirlo isnt, but still he is pure class. So if we cant have tough DM, we need tough CM. Gattuso plays like ****, ambro is ok. Kaka is genious. Now, when we are defending it looks like we are letting too much possesion to our opponent and they can cross or shoot too often. we are sitting back in our 30m!
We have to press in the middle, dominate in San Siro, score some goals and then hide the ball!! With player like rui costa,serginho...we can attack like no one else. But still Carlo manages to **** it up! Where is the pace?? I dont know... If seedorf is finished, sell him!! Get some real replacement or let serginho do his magic. Anyway, our midfield looks poor to me. Too many easy mistakes, too little on the defensive, we used to do it better.
Do you agree??

My dear mrki, no, I don't... I notice anger in your words... Milan is a team with problems in all areas... that's shouldn't surprise us... rebuilding after Istambul... many new faces...

Dida has had better days, and Abbiati is wearing a horrible uniform these days... we need younger blood in defense, and motivation in Seedorf and Rino... We need Gila to score one goal (even if he scores it with his rear end) so he can calm down, Vieri to blend in, and Pippo... well... I heard he scored a goal 2 years ago...

Serginho's magic? Hey, I like the guy, but he's no magician... Kaka' and Rui Costa are... Cristiano Ronaldo from ManU is... Serginho is all about taking the ball to corner of the area, and kick it over the penalty mark hoping for the best...nothing wrong with that, but not a starter...

Let's all calm down... Carlo knows what he's doing... I repeat... Carlo knows what he's doing... we are all bitter after last year, but shouldn't forget...

Forza Milan!!!

christiano ronaldo does magic?!?....yeah right....but i wouldn't mind serginho starting for seedorf and having ambro sit back defending!!

forza milan!! forza kaka!!

right now... serginho and ambro should start...


oh how i regret us selling dhorasso


i would keep seedorf and gattuso... but i would give up 1 of them for ballack anyday

I agree, I hope our 4 midfielders will be Janku, Kaka, Pirlo and Ambrosini this season. Gattuso is looking a shadow of himself these days, by the way that's 2 penalties conceded in 2 consecutive CL matches for him.

Although I can understand people's problems with GATTUSO dont forget that Gattuso has always been loyal to the team and I like having them in the team I dont want just expensive players and you lose those that are the MILAN character....

And I cant believe some of the fans, how they are ready to throw players that have done so well for us for a very long time... Seedorf/Gattuso

Seedorf is a very inconsistant player i agree but when he is on top of his game he is unparalleled and even when he is not playing well he has very good posession and is able to keep the ball something that many midfielders dont do... Look at the first half in the finals against Liverpool Seedorf was not glamorous but he was part of the well-oiled machine that produced maybe the best half we ever played....

The problem with Milan and Ancelloti has not been able to address this is the space between midfield and defence this is where we get screwed... We dont manage to handle that space... The dreaded final against liverpool those 6 minutes were all created by midfielders... Notice in that final BAROS and CISSE hardly touched the ball our defense was world class but when they have to defend strikers and midfielders its a f----- problem.... IF GERRARD was covered properly and if there was pressure then we would have avoided all three of the goals and not looked so vulnerable...

This is why we always get GATTUSO running back and he gave the same sort of penalty against GERRARD as he did with Anelka... We dont seem to put pressure like Saachis milan to get the ball we let the other teams play we should be in their face like we do many times against INTER... We have to put that pressure and since we won the champions league this pressure has been less and less...

And one more thing GATTUSO AND AMBROSINI should never play together in my opinion, I think it should be either or.... I would play Seedorf or Dhorasoa but **** we sold him and he was a creative player that i dont think ever had a bad game for milan... but he wanted to go but i still think he should have got more playing time... Playing GATTUSO AND AMBROSINI makes MILAN play BLAND... And we are not prolific with those duos... Name me one great game we played with those two in midfield... VERY VERY FEW INDEED.


We have to learn how to pressure the opposing player as a team and not let them get possesion at whatever costs... Ancelloti does not seem to be working on this enough...

And the person who said SERGINHO IS NOT A MAGICIAN is a BLOODY IDIOT... I am sorry but you are... Serginho has created things for milan several times and you must not watch football... EVEN IN THE FINAL GERRARD personally marked him along with RISEE, to double team a player he must be a creator...

And give me one game that RONALDO of MAN U has played like SERGINHO DID WHEN WE KILLED INTER 6 - 0.... He never did a match like that and maybe never will...

I think some people should have some more respect... They glorify players when they are at their peak and they stab them in the back when they play bad or under a bad spell... Some more faith...

Originally Posted by maz

Although I can understand people's problems with GATTUSO dont forget that Gattuso has always been loyal to the team and I like having them in the team I dont want just expensive players and you lose those that are the MILAN character....

And I cant believe some of the fans, how they are ready to throw players that have done so well for us for a very long time... Seedorf/Gattuso

Seedorf is a very inconsistant player i agree but when he is on top of his game he is unparalleled and even when he is not playing well he has very good posession and is able to keep the ball something that many midfielders dont do... Look at the first half in the finals against Liverpool Seedorf was not glamorous but he was part of the well-oiled machine that produced maybe the best half we ever played....

The problem with Milan and Ancelloti has not been able to address this is the space between midfield and defence this is where we get screwed... We dont manage to handle that space... The dreaded final against liverpool those 6 minutes were all created by midfielders... Notice in that final BAROS and CISSE hardly touched the ball our defense was world class but when they have to defend strikers and midfielders its a f----- problem.... IF GERRARD was covered properly and if there was pressure then we would have avoided all three of the goals and not looked so vulnerable...

This is why we always get GATTUSO running back and he gave the same sort of penalty against GERRARD as he did with Anelka... We dont seem to put pressure like Saachis milan to get the ball we let the other teams play we should be in their face like we do many times against INTER... We have to put that pressure and since we won the champions league this pressure has been less and less...

And one more thing GATTUSO AND AMBROSINI should never play together in my opinion, I think it should be either or.... I would play Seedorf or Dhorasoa but **** we sold him and he was a creative player that i dont think ever had a bad game for milan... but he wanted to go but i still think he should have got more playing time... Playing GATTUSO AND AMBROSINI makes MILAN play BLAND... And we are not prolific with those duos... Name me one great game we played with those two in midfield... VERY VERY FEW INDEED.


We have to learn how to pressure the opposing player as a team and not let them get possesion at whatever costs... Ancelloti does not seem to be working on this enough...

Very good points here and generally a very good post. We're not at our best when it comes to pressure play and really it often results in the defence dropping deeper, without the midfield protecting it in front.

I think the structure of our midfield often plays a part in this area and I've said a few times before how I think the structure of the midfield should be to improved or at least changed a little. (Ancelotti announces change in midfield)

A key aspect is "hiding" or keeping the ball, which at this point we could be much better at. When we take leads, we tend to keep trying to increase it even when under pressure. When we feel at all under pressure, even when drawing, we should aim to just hold the ball for a minute or two to regain our composure and control the game. Those who watch Brazil and Chelsea will see that they do this better than us. (Why Brazil & Chelsea are so successful....)

We also need to work on set piece defending quite a bit too, but this I'm sure will improve over time. (pretty much every game/post game thread on the forum)

The arguments and points made on this thread about our weaknesses have been made elsewhere (I've put in brackets where the points in this post have been discussed elsewhere to show this). The fact is, we all know where our problems lie and Carlo has also mentioned where our problems lie. During the summer, he has been looking to work on pressure play and is currently focused on improving our set piece defending.

The season is still very young and we are obviously not at our best yet. Give the side a little time to work on our current problems, which will need a little time to improve and then see how things are looking.

As far as Rino and Seedorf go, neither are performing at their best and at this point Carlo should use those who are playing well more (Ambro, Rui, Serginho etc).

I think it should be forbidden too use Gattuso and Ambrosini in the starting eleven. nothing good can come from that. Carlo should test a 3 man midfield with Ambrosini,Pirlo,Rui costa and kaka supporting the atackers. Whats he afraid of he used serginho in that possition. Sometimes Carlo can be a coward.

Originally Posted by maz

Although I can understand people's problems with GATTUSO dont forget that Gattuso has always been loyal to the team and I like having them in the team I dont want just expensive players and you lose those that are the MILAN character....

And I cant believe some of the fans, how they are ready to throw players that have done so well for us for a very long time... Seedorf/Gattuso

Seedorf is a very inconsistant player i agree but when he is on top of his game he is unparalleled and even when he is not playing well he has very good posession and is able to keep the ball something that many midfielders dont do... Look at the first half in the finals against Liverpool Seedorf was not glamorous but he was part of the well-oiled machine that produced maybe the best half we ever played....

The problem with Milan and Ancelloti has not been able to address this is the space between midfield and defence this is where we get screwed... We dont manage to handle that space... The dreaded final against liverpool those 6 minutes were all created by midfielders... Notice in that final BAROS and CISSE hardly touched the ball our defense was world class but when they have to defend strikers and midfielders its a f----- problem.... IF GERRARD was covered properly and if there was pressure then we would have avoided all three of the goals and not looked so vulnerable...

This is why we always get GATTUSO running back and he gave the same sort of penalty against GERRARD as he did with Anelka... We dont seem to put pressure like Saachis milan to get the ball we let the other teams play we should be in their face like we do many times against INTER... We have to put that pressure and since we won the champions league this pressure has been less and less...

And one more thing GATTUSO AND AMBROSINI should never play together in my opinion, I think it should be either or.... I would play Seedorf or Dhorasoa but **** we sold him and he was a creative player that i dont think ever had a bad game for milan... but he wanted to go but i still think he should have got more playing time... Playing GATTUSO AND AMBROSINI makes MILAN play BLAND... And we are not prolific with those duos... Name me one great game we played with those two in midfield... VERY VERY FEW INDEED.


We have to learn how to pressure the opposing player as a team and not let them get possesion at whatever costs... Ancelloti does not seem to be working on this enough...

And the person who said SERGINHO IS NOT A MAGICIAN is a BLOODY IDIOT... I am sorry but you are... Serginho has created things for milan several times and you must not watch football... EVEN IN THE FINAL GERRARD personally marked him along with RISEE, to double team a player he must be a creator...

And give me one game that RONALDO of MAN U has played like SERGINHO DID WHEN WE KILLED INTER 6 - 0.... He never did a match like that and maybe never will...

I think some people should have some more respect... They glorify players when they are at their peak and they stab them in the back when they play bad or under a bad spell... Some more faith...

FAITH? how's my faith gonna change something in the PLAY, or better yet How much faith is enough? and, How do I measure the right amount for the right moment?... Let me tell this you measure your quality watching and studying your competition, because is your own war... So, if you saw JUVE playing today I can see A GREAT future in front of then, almost a perfect game with very little errors and such a great flow... So, my dear Milan fan the confidence they are getting is growing faster than ours... So, Should we be careful and realistic?

Gattuso's value to the team is open for debate but lets not get silly and start defending Seedorf, he played maybe 4 or 5 good games last year. If you play every game pretty much any half decent in world would do similar to that.

Originally Posted by Milanium

FAITH? how's my faith gonna change something in the PLAY, or better yet How much faith is enough? and, How do I measure the right amount for the right moment?... Let me tell this you measure your quality watching and studying your competition, because is your own war... So, if you saw JUVE playing today I can see A GREAT future in front of then, almost a perfect game with very little errors and such a great flow... So, my dear Milan fan the confidence they are getting is growing faster than ours... So, Should we be careful and realistic?

Simple, as a fan your stuck to showing faith as you can't really influence how well Milan play.

As far as measuring your quality compared to others, I don't agree that we should be worried about Juve. We know we have the quality and the players to achieve great things and really we should focus on ourselves and achieving our best results rather than trying to make sure that we can compete with the competition. If we meet our own standards, we won't need to compare ourselves to others, they'll feel the need to compare themselves with us. Mentally, doing this will put us in a stronger position than the opposition.

However, I do think its good to keep track of how Juve are doing in terms of results in the league, simply to make sure we're keeping up to their pace, or maybe staying ahead of their pace.

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Simple, as a fan your stuck to showing faith as you can't really influence how well Milan play.

As far as measuring your quality compared to others, I don't agree that we should be worried about Juve. We know we have the quality and the players to achieve great things and really we should focus on ourselves and achieving our best results rather than trying to make sure that we can compete with the competition. If we meet our own standards, we won't need to compare ourselves to others, they'll feel the need to compare themselves with us. Mentally, doing this will put us in a stronger position than the opposition.

However, I do think its good to keep track of how Juve are doing in terms of results in the league, simply to make sure we're keeping up to their pace, or maybe staying ahead of their pace.

But tell me did you see JUVE playing yesterday (I'm not worry about juve just about Milan). And mentally you know what? Juve is getting more and more confidente by the second.
Compared them to us probably "not technically" (although I'd discuss that) but mostly Psycologically, right at this present time.
I'm not saying we should lose faith, if not what would the point of the joy when making our goals, to get more and more confident each time around (faith and hope in their team is what makes every fan cheerful and happy) isn't it?.
And can you tell me why small teams still keep their crow, because of the relentless hope of some success (although this may be on a lowered standard than ours).
"If we meet our own standards, we won't need to compare ourselves to others" quote.
But are we meeting our on standards, because the same past problems seems to still there. Sure I have plenty of Faith to Milan but my faith gets actualized by the our last performances, and the last performances of our REAL CONTENDERS this time around.
Again I'm not Juve fan neither I'm scared but they suuuuurely are meeting their standards...while we keep stock in FAITH DUDE I HATE TO SAY, comprehend me please.

Hey Maz,

make up your mind, brother... you can't use these two sentences together:

"And the person who said SERGINHO IS NOT A MAGICIAN is a BLOODY IDIOT... I am sorry but you are"
"I think some people should have some more respect"

Are you familiar with the concept "contradiction"?

You don't need to be a "magician" for that... just have decent level of education...

you can't call people BLOODY IDIOTS just because they don't share your point of view... at least not in this forum... if I am wrong, please correct me...

BTW, I haven't changed my position... I still like Serginho, and I still think he's all about
taking the ball to the corner of the area on the left flank, and kicking it over the penalty mark... at least C. Ronaldo can do that from both sides... this doesn't mean I even like ManUtd. But we can't say all our players are the best in the world just because we love the team so much.

Milanium, I didn't see how Juve played last night nor do I really care how confident they seem, I stand by my argument that I think Milan should focus only on Milan and we can compete against anyone. Though yes, at this point, psychologically, they may be in a slightly better frame of mind than us.

However, as we continue getting results, we will gain more confidence in ourselves, kind of like you said about goals.

I'm sorry, I have no idea what you mean about small sides, I see "crow" and it seems like your talking about birds . Anyway, could you explain what you mean there?

We aren't meeting our own "perfect" standards atm, but are very close. The proof is that we are able to compete against top sides and have done so for 3 years now. Yes, there are problems, but every team has weaknesses (even our "real" contenders) and we like others need to work on ours, which Ancelotti seems to be attempting to do.

well, I meant the fans need to have faith, the club need to act on problems. I'll be clear, I don't feel we are at all inferior to anyone in the world atm. Juve are looking strong, but Capello's sides always start strong every season, this is a feature of his preparation. Milan haven't started strongly for two years now, but always improve over the season, which is a characteristic of our side.

We are 3 games into the season, its too early to judge who will be strongest over the next year atm.

Sant is right, Maz shouldn't call people idiots for differing opinions, hence I omitted that part of the post when complementing it.

Originally Posted by SANT

My dear mrki, no, I don't... I notice anger in your words... Milan is a team with problems in all areas... that's shouldn't surprise us... rebuilding after Istambul... many new faces...

Dida has had better days, and Abbiati is wearing a horrible uniform these days... we need younger blood in defense, and motivation in Seedorf and Rino... We need Gila to score one goal (even if he scores it with his rear end) so he can calm down, Vieri to blend in, and Pippo... well... I heard he scored a goal 2 years ago...

Serginho's magic? Hey, I like the guy, but he's no magician... Kaka' and Rui Costa are... Cristiano Ronaldo from ManU is... Serginho is all about taking the ball to corner of the area, and kick it over the penalty mark hoping for the best...nothing wrong with that, but not a starter...

Let's all calm down... Carlo knows what he's doing... I repeat... Carlo knows what he's doing... we are all bitter after last year, but shouldn't forget...

Forza Milan!!!

C.ronaldo....did you ever watch him play? he play like an idiot everytime, trying to do his stepovers and still didn't manage to get past anyone, his shooting is a joke, i haven't seen any of his shots going toward the goal. i would take serginho over C.ronaldo as of now.

our MF was one of the best in the past but recently it seem to be in a state of confusion. i am sure ancelotti would get things work out. gatusso seem be off recently but ambro have suddenly play well so its not a problem. seedorf....what happened to him? i hope he start showing the form he is capable of.