Maldini vs curva sud

http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Primo_.../maldini.shtml

In short, Paolo is not satisfied with Milan's supporters and the way Curva is doing their "job".

Personally, I see things going downhill singe the departure of Fossa, its really clear. San Siro is not filled as it used to be, there are no coreos, flaires, anything. The politicians and laws of people that have no passion and heart for football have destroyed the ultras phenomenon and now the whole magic of San Siro is ruined. Paolo is right, but I dont see a way how this can be fixed.

There are other ways do stop crime and violence, and not by demolishing the real passion atmosphere in football stadiums.

Its not easy to fix the things between the ultras groups and Im glad our captain who has a lot of love for the club pointed that uot. Maybe things will now go uphill for San Siro crowd as there really lacks some of the old magical atmosphere! I hope soon we'll see San Siro shaking again...

FORZA PAOLO AND CURVA SUD!!

He didn't actually mention the Curva Sud in the statement linked. It could be the Curva Nord he was talking about, or other's.

Either way, we as fans have a right to criticise a player, otherwise the club can just accept mediocre performances from these players, and let them retire in our colours whilst doing nothing in matches.

he does mean the curva sud as this is where the heart of th ultras is at san siro and generates the noise we all love but also sets the tone for the rest of the stadium -

i belive that the ultras motives are a little selfish as they have for years enjoyed help from the club in regards to tickets for away games, for euroopean games and money for the choreographies that we love to see -

but due to catania incident and many other ultra related events the italian authorities are regulting ultra groups - which means the clubs must tow the line or face exopulsion from serie a and europe - so they have no choice and lets be hinest some ultras do cross the line -

however the real gripe they had was for the CL final and the club coudnt get more tickets for athens for the ultras whom demanded them from the club- they basically have tried to hold the cluib to ransom when in reality they are no more entitled to tivckets etc than other fans - all of whom would like to have been in athens - myself as a seaon ticket holder included !!!!

the ultra groups selfish attitude and actiosn have dissolusioned many in curva- i often stand in curva with my italian friends and they have voiced their ocncerns for changes - but i would say that for tmosphere the milan v man utd game was simply electric- so its not all doom and gloom

as for the players under performing i would like to know which nes you mean from last season as serie a form picked up and we finished in top 4 as well as won the Cl - so except for Dida whom perfomances are getting more erratic i tihnk everyone pulled thir weight- yes voice concerns but dont punish the ehole team for 90 mins each week -

the derby perofmance i accept wasnt good enogh last seaosn but by the end inter agian were forgotten as the champiosn of europe drove into milan !!!!

Originally Posted by Tony75

He didn't actually mention the Curva Sud in the statement linked. It could be the Curva Nord he was talking about, or other's.

"...Con un aiuto da parte della nostra curva, non avremmo perso quella partita.... Comunque non è solo la curva a non sostenerci: anche i tifosi degli altri settori se ne stanno zitti...."

Brigate or whoever should listen what the Captain says and pull their act together.

Originally Posted by wils6000

as for the players under performing i would like to know which nes you mean from last season as serie a form picked up and we finished in top 4 as well as won the Cl - so except for Dida whom perfomances are getting more erratic i tihnk everyone pulled thir weight-

Good gravy...

Anyway, San Paolo is right. If the ultras insist on acting this way because of some selfish political agenda, then they shouldn't go to the matches and then free up the space for fans who actually want to be there.

paolo is exactly right....i just dont see the same electric atmosphere that the san siro use to have..and it imean watch the matches in even 2002/2003 the san siro is packed even on matchday one of the CL and flaires are being lit and confetti everywhere its just creates that atmosphere that the players need to feel like they ae playing home ....if you watch the other CL matches ull notice the stadiums are almost full the atmosphere is amazing and so much so that there are even coreos being done in full supposrt of their team....but i barely hear any singing ...i just hope all of this changes

You just have to see the semi -final against PSV in 2005 and see the difference btw the atmosphere than and now

Maldini is correct, and I for one am getting a little distressed about the booing towards Dida and Gila that's going on. The atmosphere hasn't been great from last season and this year it's actually becoming a little disgraceful (most of all due to attacks on our own players). The support isn't great but not because it can't be, as the CL semi final last season in San Siro demonstrated well. I'm proud of moments like when our supporters gave Rui a wonderful standing ovation, but then we're doing things which we shouldn't accept.

Going back to Gila and Dida, before this season and last I didn't ever see individuals from our squad get booed or personally attacked in all the years I've supported Milan, but this is now a common sight. It's one thing to criticise and lament the team, and it's even fair to point out players when they are poor, but to attack them the way these guys are constantly attacked (especially Gila even more than Dida), even when they don't actually do anything wrong (Gila scores and he still gets criticised for missing another chance) is not only sad to see, but it's not ever going to help them. Their confidence is rock bottom, so instead of supporting them to try to help them through their problems we kick them when they're down. Is this how Milan fans now treat our players?

Our squad is one that has always done better with greater support. We as Milan fans over the years made the San Siro a fortress and we have been rewarded with results on the pitch. Argubly our greatest performance ever was last season and what was the one thing all the players asked for ahead of that match? It was for the fans support. Have we forgotten how much ahead of the second leg against Man U we, the fans, were pumped up? This is the kind of excitement the players feed off of.

I'm sick to death of all the complaints about the squad, and the lack of support shown to it. We have the same squad here that reached 4th spot when halfway through last season we were fighting relegation and are the Champions of Europe (actually it's stronger now). Is it really bad to at least show support for these players? Why should they have to accept such negative support when they have won so much for the club. It's not we can't criticize a poor performance, but this season we've only actually played one bad match which even then we were actually a little unlucky not to win, so why are we already diregarding this side from winning the biggest competitions, especially the league in which only Roma have actually done well.

Then there's the criticism of the management. I understand we want big signings and we want to be stronger, but the management isn't composed of idiots. They're the most successful management group in our history for a reason, and even now after we won the CL in our hardest season ever I'm seeing comments about how the management need changing or that they're in it for the money. Why? Because they decided not to spend too much during a transfer window. Perhaps they could have done better, but who are we to show such disrespect to their decisions when they've done so much for the club?

Instead of getting behind the squad and management that has been so incredibly successful, we show no faith in them whatsoever, disregarding everything they've achieved with petulant behaviour. This isn't an issue with the fans in the stadium, it's a problem with Milan fans everywhere. Too many Milan fans these days act far too much like spoilt children, it's disgusting. All the things we take pride in such as our behaviour and respect for opponents becomes almost meaningless when we can't even show support for our team!

Edit: Actually, I just want to add one last thing, our behaviour these days is almost as bad as the Inter fans over the years, and that more than anything should give us a fair sign as to what to expect should we continue down this path.

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Edit: Actually, I just want to add one last thing, our behaviour these days is almost as bad as the Inter fans over the years, and that more than anything should give us a fair sign as to what to expect should we continue down this path.

Explain to me more on this point?


Anyways, it's becoming a bit boring for me to watch Milan matches in San Siro, if it weren't for the good football, I would watch Milan matches.

What is the true problem of BRN with Milan?

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Instead of getting behind the squad and management that has been so incredibly successful, we show no faith in them whatsoever, disregarding everything they've achieved with petulant behaviour. This isn't an issue with the fans in the stadium, it's a problem with Milan fans everywhere. Too many Milan fans these days act far too much like spoilt children, it's disgusting. All the things we take pride in such as our behaviour and respect for opponents becomes almost meaningless when we can't even show support for our team!

Edit: Actually, I just want to add one last thing, our behaviour these days is almost as bad as the Inter fans over the years, and that more than anything should give us a fair sign as to what to expect should we continue down this path.

Brilliant insight on what is happening to the Milan supporters this season.

They have grown envy on other clubs whom were able to bring in big signing in every transfer windows and vent out their self-centered frustrations on the same group of players and management whom brought continued success to the club.

There have been so many examples of wrong buys throughout the past few seasons for other clubs and yet our supporters still choose to follow suit.

Luckily, unlike so many real-life voting shows around these days that have decided the fates of would-be celebrities, the management of Milan does not falls in the hand of the supporters. Or else i would choose to be an Inter fan!

Why get huge signings when you don't really need?
The squad is on a good rol and those guys have just one more season left, next winter and summer, we should expect Milan to have a big name or two, at least one in the defense and another upfront, but the mid has the perfect combination of experience and youth and productivity

Originally Posted by ACMILAN1983

Maldini is correct, and I for one am getting a little distressed about the booing towards Dida and Gila that's going on. The atmosphere hasn't been great from last season and this year it's actually becoming a little disgraceful (most of all due to attacks on our own players). The support isn't great but not because it can't be, as the CL semi final last season in San Siro demonstrated well. I'm proud of moments like when our supporters gave Rui a wonderful standing ovation, but then we're doing things which we shouldn't accept.

Going back to Gila and Dida, before this season and last I didn't ever see individuals from our squad get booed or personally attacked in all the years I've supported Milan, but this is now a common sight. It's one thing to criticise and lament the team, and it's even fair to point out players when they are poor, but to attack them the way these guys are constantly attacked (especially Gila even more than Dida), even when they don't actually do anything wrong (Gila scores and he still gets criticised for missing another chance) is not only sad to see, but it's not ever going to help them. Their confidence is rock bottom, so instead of supporting them to try to help them through their problems we kick them when they're down. Is this how Milan fans now treat our players?

Our squad is one that has always done better with greater support. We as Milan fans over the years made the San Siro a fortress and we have been rewarded with results on the pitch. Argubly our greatest performance ever was last season and what was the one thing all the players asked for ahead of that match? It was for the fans support. Have we forgotten how much ahead of the second leg against Man U we, the fans, were pumped up? This is the kind of excitement the players feed off of.

I'm sick to death of all the complaints about the squad, and the lack of support shown to it. We have the same squad here that reached 4th spot when halfway through last season we were fighting relegation and are the Champions of Europe (actually it's stronger now). Is it really bad to at least show support for these players? Why should they have to accept such negative support when they have won so much for the club. It's not we can't criticize a poor performance, but this season we've only actually played one bad match which even then we were actually a little unlucky not to win, so why are we already diregarding this side from winning the biggest competitions, especially the league in which only Roma have actually done well.

Then there's the criticism of the management. I understand we want big signings and we want to be stronger, but the management isn't composed of idiots. They're the most successful management group in our history for a reason, and even now after we won the CL in our hardest season ever I'm seeing comments about how the management need changing or that they're in it for the money. Why? Because they decided not to spend too much during a transfer window. Perhaps they could have done better, but who are we to show such disrespect to their decisions when they've done so much for the club?

Instead of getting behind the squad and management that has been so incredibly successful, we show no faith in them whatsoever, disregarding everything they've achieved with petulant behaviour. This isn't an issue with the fans in the stadium, it's a problem with Milan fans everywhere. Too many Milan fans these days act far too much like spoilt children, it's disgusting. All the things we take pride in such as our behaviour and respect for opponents becomes almost meaningless when we can't even show support for our team!

Edit: Actually, I just want to add one last thing, our behaviour these days is almost as bad as the Inter fans over the years, and that more than anything should give us a fair sign as to what to expect should we continue down this path.

Wonderful post!

I think the ultras are basically shooting themselves in the foot here, if we assume that it is in everyone's interest that Milan wins as many games as possible. Maldini and Oddo are right, the players deserve the support of the fans, because of everything they have given us.

Granted, the way the ultras are being treated by the club might not be fair, but this is not the right way to protest it. If the fans want Milan to win, then for God's sake, get behind the team and give the players the support they need, instead of keeping silence to prove some point to the club, authorities, etc. The players are not responsible anyway, and have done nothing to deserve this treatment.

I do believe that the situation will resolve itself in one way or another, even if things might be a bit different than before due to last season's events in Catania. It is not in Milan's interest to have unhappy players and fans who don't even sing at the games, and sooner or later the club will have to do something to improve the situation.

It is annoying though, that Milan should be held ransom by its own fans. This is absolutely disgraceful behavior. To me it seems that some of these groups have completely lost focus on what is actually the point of their existence - to support the team. If the ultras can't do this, then why do they even bother going to the stadium?

In the end, if everyone behaves like a civilized human being and gets behind the team like all good fans are supposed to, then there will be no problems. It really shouldn't be too much to ask.

It's rather more complicate than what it appears. Historically Milan fans (the Curva fans) have always been one step ahead of all other tifoserie, if anything cause ultra style supporting was invented by Milanisti, everybody else followed later. The main issue is the new law. Despite not having caused major incidents for the past decade or so, Milan's Curva Sud took a uncompromising stand against it whilst a number other Curve's kind of eased off protest after the immediate uncompromising statements. In two words, if people that have never set foot in a stadium have decided that no banners, no drums, no microphones and so on are allowed, the Curva Sud will comply, matter of fact they'll stay silent. In other words a white strike.
Inter fans have sort of followed suit in the last few days.
We shall see how things will evolve.

Coming to the non-curva fans that boo players of their very own team, when the Curva was active they went un-noticed, now they have become the only tangible sign of emotion in San Siro. Personally they get on my nerves.

Could add a few other things, but I'll leave it here for now

Diavolo, how long has this been going on for? this strike the fans are taking?