Winter mercato January 2015
How can you judge Coman off of one game.. I don't understand the hype around the kid? Didn't Niang score in his first Coppa Italia match? Let's wait a bit before we start hyping the guy.

If Berlusconi invests a small sum of about 30m, then it's not impossible to return to a high level in 2-3 years. This team we have now reminds me a lot of the squad Juventus had when Conte first took over and half of their starting line-up was no name players compared to our Ibra/Pato/Ronaldinho/Robinho and eventually Cassano squad that lost the scudetto to that hard working 'nobody' rubentus team. I remember de sciegle was starting for them.. they had Pepe as a winger! Remember that before that year players like Marchisio etc. weren't considered much, and Vidal was considered a good player but nothing crazy, he made his name at juve. much the same way people hold Bonaventura in semi-high regards, good player but we'll have to see how he 'primes' out, coming into his best years. Of course, Vidal became a star, they revitalized Pirlo much the same how we've revitilised De Jongs career, they had absolutely no good strikers - none at all, but a defense with depth and a group of players ready to work their asses off. We have something similar, let's not forget that a big part of defending as a team is understanding each other and working as a unit. We have good defenders when you single them out, they are all strong, relatively experienced at high levels, tall, and some with good speed (Zapata, Rami is alright as well).. They just NEED to learn how to work as a unit.

Let's also not forget that they signed a lot of under the radar players, players that weren't held in high regards but are quality players that came in at a cut price.. Let's be honest, were any of us envious when they signed lichsteiner and caceres? Barzagli? Bonucci? They've all become good players because they worked their asses off under Conte. I think Inzaghi can have the same impact on our team, so yes players that haven't been consistently very good their entire careers like Menez,Torres etc. could find stable ground through working hard and hopefully they get rewarded for it in the end.

This Milan is a work in progress, but we will come out strong trust me. We need to purchase one top quality player in the midfield, even 15-20m would suffice if we make a smart purchase. Then we need a solid defender, someone really stand out, again it's possible with another 15m but it needs to be a smart ,well thought-out purchase.

I believe we are finally going in the right direction, with the stupid exception of having sold Cristante - I didn't understand that much at all. It's good that we've apparently signed Suso, I like what I've seen of him a lot, he seems very talented compared to some of the gambles we've had in recent years like Vergara,solmon and saponara.
Wouldn't give two shits about Bonnuci or Barzagli (still don't), but I rated Lichensteiner and was seriously disappointed he went Juve's way.

To be honest, I think everyone knows all this, but the issue is we're not getting the money that we need to invest. It's simple as that. We're not getting any more money in, and thus we're not signing the quality we need.
We got the young 'un's. We take out big gunz  Devilcool
Bonucci showed so much potential at Bari alongside Ranocchia. I remember nefremo and I agreeing that while Rano was the more hyped, Bonucci was the more exciting player. If I'm honest at Juve he's done well and developed in some areas really well, particularly playing the ball out the back, but I do feel he's never grown into the defender he could have been.
(09-20-2014, 01:24 AM)nefremo Wrote: Mastour is irrelevant because it's fiction. It's something that hasn't happened yet. I don't care if the so called experts say he will be a great player. I expect him to be one too, but until he is I can't use him as an example in an argument. Bojan on the other hand is a proven fact. A fact that he was hyped up by critics (the same critics that you trust so much) and failed. Fact. This is why I'm saying you can't base your opinion and argue it by the skin of your nails based on those critics alone.

I don't understand what your point IF Bojan had Niang's physique is. He doesn't have it. It's a done deal. If Ronaldinho had Ronaldo's work ethic, he'd still be the best player in the world. But he doesn't so it's a done deal. How can I possible use that in an argument to strengthen my point?!

No Mastour isn't irrelevant or fiction. Based on limited game time/critics opinions:-

1. Milan paid record amount for 14yo (Sacchi's recommendation). Fact.
2. Critics ranked him world's #1 young talent. Fact.
3. Red Bull gave him promotional deal alongside Neymar. Fact.

Face it unlike you the footballing/business world make educated decisions on a player's potential value. Also what about Cristante? He played just a few games but fans + critics alike realized his potential greatness. Obviously Benfica did too paying 6m.

We're allowed to make educated assessments of players after doing our research. I believe Coman will become a top player unlike Niang. Many critics share the same opinion whilst nobody's talking about non entity Niang. Deal with it Juve signed yet another great talent. They got Pogba when we got Niang. They signed Berardi when we signed Saponara. It'll hurt you to know they've got an option on Zaza too Devilol

As for Bojan/Niang, I illustrated the point they both lack an attribute the other has so will never reach the top. Bojan's got technical ability whilst Niang's got physicality. Unfortunately neither's got both so neither will succeed.
(09-20-2014, 03:06 AM)WCmilan Wrote: How can you judge Coman off of one game.. I don't understand the hype around the kid? Didn't Niang score in his first Coppa Italia match? Let's wait a bit before we start hyping the guy.

If Berlusconi invests a small sum of about 30m, then it's not impossible to return to a high level in 2-3 years.

This Milan is a work in progress, but we will come out strong trust me. We need to purchase one top quality player in the midfield, even 15-20m would suffice if we make a smart purchase. Then we need a solid defender, someone really stand out, again it's possible with another 15m but it needs to be a smart ,well thought-out purchase.

Nobody's rating Coman based on 1 game. He's played a few matches for Juve (including pre-season) plus I've watched him for PSG. I'm basing my views on his performances + critics opinions.

If you think Berlu's going to invest you're living in cloud cuckoo land. How many times have we said "just one 15m mid"? Has it happened? No. If ever there was a time for investment it was this mercato. We finished a disastrous 8th with no European football. Instead we sell Balotelli ending the mercato in surplus Devilol Face it we haven't spent 10m+ on a player in years and won't again. Balotelli's purchase was covered by Pato's sale and Matri's by Boateng. Even when we have money we can't get it right. Milan's a pathetic joke of a club DevilolFacepalm
(09-20-2014, 10:02 AM)ACMILAN1983 Wrote: Bonucci showed so much potential at Bari alongside Ranocchia. I remember nefremo and I agreeing that while Rano was the more hyped, Bonucci was the more exciting player. If I'm honest at Juve he's done well and developed in some areas really well, particularly playing the ball out the back, but I do feel he's never grown into the defender he could have been.

Okmilan Bonucci's better than all our CB's Facepalm
Ok. I never said not to make an educated guess that a player will be a great player. I expect Mastour to be a great player too. Probably the same with Coman.....but I'm not going to sit here arguing by the skin of my nails that I'm right and you are wrong....because it is something that hasn't happened yet. How can I know that I'm right? Problem is that you think you are alwaxys right! Even when you have no facts to prove that you are, so you go an use "critics" reviews to prove that Coman will be a better player then Menez. Not once have you stopped and said, "ok, I believe this, but maybe I won't be right". The fact that red bull gave Mastour a sponsorship deal means nothing to me. He is a YouTube sensation that young players associate with. It's a great business deal for them. Does it mean that he'll be better then Menez? Absolutely not! I expect him to be of course! Don't get me wrong! But his red bull sponsorship and your and te critics' educated guesses does not guarantee it. And the biggest problem between our opinions is that all I'm saying is that you can't be SOOO sure of the future, and every once in a while you just have to admit that it MAY, just may not work out that way. Yet you are arguing as if you know the future. Even if like I said, there is countless examples of young players showing promise, being hyped up, critics making "educated guesses"...only for these players to then fail. For gods sake, Menez was one of those hyped up youngsters with all his dribbling moves in France. A prime example.

It's not about Coman to me, but the fact that you are soo sure he'll be better then Menez soon. I don't necessarily disagree with that opinion, but with the way you discard our players and hype up someone you've seen play one time in your life...AND claim so hard that you are right.
(09-20-2014, 04:11 PM)nefremo Wrote: arguing by the skin of my nails that I'm right and you are wrong....

Problem is that you think you are alwaxys right! Even when you have no facts to prove that you are.

Not once have you stopped and said, "ok, I believe this, but maybe I won't be right".

And the biggest problem between our opinions is that all I'm saying is that you can't be SOOO sure of the future, and every once in a while you just have to admit that it MAY, just may not work out that way. Yet you are arguing as if you know the future.

when exactly did you meet my wife? Big Grin
(09-21-2014, 03:16 AM)Stitch Wrote: when exactly did you meet my wife? Big Grin

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(09-21-2014, 03:16 AM)Stitch Wrote:
(09-20-2014, 04:11 PM)nefremo Wrote: arguing by the skin of my nails that I'm right and you are wrong....

Problem is that you think you are alwaxys right! Even when you have no facts to prove that you are.

Not once have you stopped and said, "ok, I believe this, but maybe I won't be right".

And the biggest problem between our opinions is that all I'm saying is that you can't be SOOO sure of the future, and every once in a while you just have to admit that it MAY, just may not work out that way. Yet you are arguing as if you know the future.

when exactly did you meet my wife? Big Grin

This is the most hilarious post I've read in a few months Sagrin
MILAN! MILAN! SOLO CON TE!
MILAN! MILAN! SEMPRE PER TE!
Haha Stitch....my girlfriend says the same thing to me too, so I just decided to use some of her words! Big Grin
Critics and experts dont know shit. If you want to know about a players true potential, ask Leonardo... Smile